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Voices of Reason

Jasen Lee and Amy Donaldson are speaking out and speaking up about the issues facing our community. We are engaging in conversations that seek to help us understand our differing views and opinions on complex issues, and what possible common ground might guide us in our search for solutions.

Wednesday, July 4, 2018

  • Examining the sociology and science of neurodiversity
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Jasen Lee and Amy Donaldson learn about the science of neurodiversity —  a concept where neurological differences are recognized and respected as any other human variation. Differences can include those labeled with Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, Autistic Spectrum and Tourette Syndrome, among others. Our guests are Valerie D'Astous, Ph.D., program director for the Utah Neurodiversity Program at the University of Utah; along with Elliot Francis, autist and software design engineer. Joining for a fascinating and enlightening discussion on the neurodiversity movement and how society is learning to better understand and accept people with neurological differences.

Wednesday, June 27, 2018

  • Amy & Jasen discuss the matter of maintaining civility
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy and Jasen talk about one of their founding principles — civility in the face of differing points of view. In the wake of Sarah Huckabee Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant and Rep. Maxine Waters, D-CA calling on people to heckle those you may disagree with as exhibited at a another eatery where Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was dining, we debate the virtues of taking the 'high road' versus fighting venom with venom. Which way is the best tact to take?

Wednesday, June 20, 2018

  • The ABCs of Financial Literacy
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee are joined by Heather Kelly, host of the Money Making Sense podcast. Heather offers information on how to become a responsible money manager saving as little as $5 a week. The trio also shares their individual experiences on developing good spending, saving and credit habits. [Note: Due to technical difficulties, the episode audio begins after the conversation initially is underway with Amy discussing how her husband has learned to manage his finances having always been self-employed.]

Wednesday, June 13, 2018

  • What not to say: the Cost of Free Speech and Puerto Rico
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Jasen Lee and Amy Donaldson discuss the high cost of celebrity tweeting, clamping down on free speech in the NFL and the devastation still affecting the people of Puerto Rico.

Wednesday, June 6, 2018

  • Should news media name individuals who commit mass shootings?
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson is joined by Ethan Millard, co-host of the Nightside Project podcast, KSL Newsradio.com digital content producer Becky Bruce, as well as Bill Allred, host of the Let's Go Eat Show podcast and co-host of Radio from Hell on X96 (KXRX FM) in Salt Lake City. They have a spirited discussion on whether mass shooters should be named by the news media and what impact doing so has had in recent years as such incidents have proliferated in American society. 

Wednesday, May 30, 2018

  • Getting more women and girls in business and STEM fields
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Jasen Lee speaks with Sara Jones and Cydni Tetro, co-founders of Women Tech Council and successful entrepreneurs in their own right. Recording from Silicon Slopes in Lehi, Utah, we discuss the increasing profile women are building in the world of business as well as science, math, engineering and technology fields, along with ways young women can find their place in those generally male-dominated sectors.

Wednesday, May 23, 2018

  • How two teen athletes turn 'ugly' moment into forgiveness and understanding
    Recently, two high school baseball players got into an altercation when one teen used a racial epithet during the heat of a game toward a fellow competitor. That episode launched a firestorm of reaction from both players, the teams and from school administrators. While the confrontation was sparked by anger, the eventual outcome was the result of two young men showing how contrition and forgiveness can lead to understanding and mutual respect. On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee are joined by Brighton (UT) High School pitcher Brennan Holligan, 16, and Jordan (UT) High School pitcher Gage Edwards, 18, along with Brighton head baseball coach Andy Concepcion and Jordan assistant baseball coach LaVon Edwards. We discuss the situation that transpired on

Tuesday, May 22, 2018

  • The Politics of the New U.S. Embassy in the Holy Land
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee talk about the impact of relocating the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. While supporters lauded the move as recognition of the city's historic importance to the Jewish majority, critics claimed it would become an impediment to brokering a possible peace agreement with the Palestinian minority. Joining the discussion are University of Utah law professor Amos Guiora, who is an Israeli citizen and also the author Crime of Complicity, A Bystander in the Holocaust, along with Ethan Millard, cohost of the Nightside Project on KSLNewsradio.com. Together we take a in-depth look into the consequences — intended and unintended — this relocation may have on the entire Middle East region of the globe.

Wednesday, May 16, 2018

  • Dark money in politics
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee discuss the pros and cons of money in politics — particularly since the landmark Citizens United decision by the U.S. Supreme Court that allowed unlimited, anonymous contributions from corporations and Super Political Action Committees. Joining us are Utah State Sen. Todd Weiler R-Bountiful and Utah State Auditor John Dougall who offer differing points of view on the controversial issue.

Wednesday, May 9, 2018

  • Discussing the issue of domestic violence with Attorney Steve Burton
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee talk about the issue of domestic violence with defense attorney Steve Burton with Salt Lake City-based Intermountain Legal. We discuss the complexities of domestic violence cases and how they are not always what they may seem.

Thursday, May 3, 2018

  • The role comedy plays in politics with Jay Whittaker
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee discuss the role comedy plays in discussing politics in America. From the annual White House Correspondents Dinner to the various night time talks shows, comedy is weaved into the fabric of the nation's consume political discourse. While it may sometimes make people uncomfortable, it's become an important component to how we discuss important political issues today. Join us as we take a deep and humorous dive into the world of political comedy.

Wednesday, April 25, 2018

Wednesday, April 18, 2018

  • The real faces of the American DREAM
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee talk to two University of Utah students are were brought to the United States by their parents as small children and have lived their lives in the shadows, yet in plain sight. Paco and Miguel tell their compelling stories of what it's like to live in a country that tacitly acknowledges their families' existence, but doesn't see them as people deserving of citizenship and the rights that come with it.

Wednesday, April 11, 2018

  • Tackling the DACA immigration issue with attorney Carlos Navarro
    On this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast, Amy Donaldson and Jasen Lee revisit the immigration issue in the wake of President Donald Trump's edict to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) program. Joining us is Utah immigration lawyer Carlos Navarro with the Salt Lake City law firm of Stowell, Crayk and Bown. He offers insights on the matter and we discuss where the immigration debate may head in the coming months.

Wednesday, April 4, 2018

  • VOR Community Conversation School Safety - Pt. 2
    ON this episode of the Voices of Reason podcast. Jasen Lee and Amy Donaldson continue their discussion on school safety in front a live studio audience at KSL Broadcast House in downtown Salt Lake City. On part two, we’re joined by Greg Hughes, Speaker of the Utah House of Representatives, whose served as a policymaker for 16 years; Kierstin Draper, principal of Canyon View Elementary School, who has experience with school violence in Texas and is a veteran administrator; and Salt Lake County Sheriff Rosie Rivera, who's been in law enforcement for 25 years. In this discussion, we talk about possible policy and law enforcement solutions.