Hello My friend is trapped in the backroom of pottery barn kids and she says people were being gunned down in the entry way. and in the parking lot. they hurried to the back and are safe at this point. Not sure of casulaties, but definately wounded.

moron @aaronjscarbs - ya well we'll be sayin that when you get shot, or a victim of a tragic event.

nice off-topic post, Jim F @Jim F. - Jim F.

Your non-sequitir comments on the Bush administration are no longer required here. We do not cater to traitors nor cowards and are not interested in your diatribes on life.

Back to Quizno's with you. My sandwich is getting cold. Hold the onions.

before the comment was removed @Cletus_Lives - Before Jim's comment was very appropriately removed by the moderator, Mr. Jim made a smart remark about how the war in Iraq was supposed to prevent "things like this".

Non-sequitir means "doesn't follow". His remarks make no sense and are irrelevant other than to re-state the usual statements of the anti-Bush crowd.

Make more sense now?

Cletus @Cletus_Lives - It's non-sequitur!

thanks for the dictionary @Jim F. - thanks.

Cletus @Cletus_Lives - By the way, my friend, it turns out that this young shooter was a Muslim from a foreign country. Maybe you all jumped to conclusions about my comment a bit too quickly! Ya think??

No not really, but thanks for playing @Jim F. - No. Sounds like he was your usual nutjob without a coordinated mass attack plan.

The government cannot nor will not cover everything. That includes health care. Believe me, you don't want that.

this could be @aaronjscarbs - the DUMBEST comment I have EVER read on KSL.com. Thanks Aaron... nice work.

Hope @James A. - I hope your friends are ok. Im definitely getting a concealed weapons permit this weekend.

@Inigo montoya - Me too.

GO GET YOUR CFP PEOPLE!!! @Inigo montoya - Been saying it for years. One armed citizen could have ended this all...

Victims and families...so sorry this happened to you.

@Johnnyd - Sure appears one armed citizen did end this all. Thank the Lord!

That officer is a hero. I want to buy him a drink, or a steak.

Never Forget @Nicu grad mommy - God bless the officer who took action and risked his life to save the lives of others. I will not call him an "off-duty" officer as most police officers are never truly off-duty, as this officer proved.

Remember anytime you hear about a law to restrict guns in certain buildings, like a church or a college, or to restrict guns in any way from a law abiding person that it will only restrict men like this from protecting you when a criminal decides to start killing everyone in sight. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Condolences to those who lost a loved one. To anyone who escaped or had a loved one escape, never forget the officer walked into the line of fire to save the lives of complete strangers.

To all news media: We do not care what the killer's middle name is, what excuses people may make for him, what his favorite TV show was or how good or bad his grades were. He was a coward, a loser, a murderer and should be boxed, buried and forgotten so those who entertain an ending like his will know there is no glory and publicity associated with such a low act.

@Nicu grad mommy - I totally agree. He was doing his duty as a policeman. I cannot thank policemen enough for all that they do. That officer is a hero. I am glad people like that are among us.

@Johnnyd - that is only if an armed citizen has the guts to pull the trigger w/o hesitation. else wise, they are just another casualty. so pack only if you are willing to use it.

concealed carry @Fregado - oh, and you have to know how to use it, shooting accurately takes alot of practice especially under stress. I'd hate to accidently shoot someone else. Also, an off duty police officer sees two people firing guns, you might get shot also, there is nothing to identify the civilian as a good guy. Just some things to consider, if you were in that sort of situation. Thank GOD for the POLICE, it would be complete anarchy without them.

yes... @Mj D. - Very good points...

@Fregado - words of wisdom

@Johnnyd - Just because you have a CFP doesn't mean you have the training and/or the experience to save lives! If YOU do pass and get your CFP, continue to practice what you were taught and shoot at targets that are human photo targets (like the ones law enforcement shoot at) since that is why you are caring a CFP!!

Remember, we can all "arm-chair-quarterback" but at that very moment you better hope you have what it takes (training, pratice, skill i.e. marksmanship, kill or be killed instinct).

Sign of the times @Johnnyd - It's only just beginning folks. It was only a matter of time that something like this would happen. And what's even scarier is it will only get worse. Now brace yourself for the copy cats. YIKES!!!!

Copycat @Eric C. - He is a copy cat, this has happened at other malls in the past, I think last one I remember was in the Tacoma Mall in Washington.

Already happened @Eric C. - This is not the first time in SLC, remember the Geneological library and the Triad center? just recently some nut detonated a bomb in the library!!!

Pure Evil @Eric C. - Watch for this to happen in a church. Consider the irate husband whose wife has just divorced him and she is now seeking counsel from her ecclesiastical leader. Knowing that people don’t carry weapons in church he can enter and take out his hatred and rage on all those she holds dear and associates with, fearing no immediate resistance or reprisal.
A couple of points:
1. The police show up to these things AFTER the fact. The pure luck that an off duty officer was at Trolley Square is incidental and rare.
2. Note that these shooting NEVER happen at police stations. This is because these people who commit these crimes are ultimate cowards. We can not rely on the police for our safety, as committed and wonderful as they are, they RESPOND, they rarely PREVENT. It is up to us as citizens to take on the responsibility for our own immediate safety. I applaud those here who are seeking concealed carry permits. I always feel safer in my community knowing there are law abiding citizens capable of at least giving a fighting chance for survival against these acts of pure evil.

sign o the times, huh? @Eric C. - You know, this sort of thing has been going on since the beginning of time. Only the beginning..? Cmon. This is as old as the hills, and happened much more frequently when Utah was in it's infancy.

Now the airliner thing and bomb thing is the deal we need to worry about.

The armed nut in a store could be anyone at any time. The fact that he only hurt and killed as few as he did is a testament to the fine law enforcement present.

True Cletus @Cletus_Lives - This is not new. However, they seem to be happening more frequently and escalating in fatalities. Had the Ogden police officer not been there, I shudder to think how much blood would have been shed. And the problem is the media glorifies these criminals and never the victims. Just like Columbine. We all remember Dylan and Eric, but who can name one Columbine fatality? We remember Hitler, Stallin, Bin Laden, Saddam Insane, Gary Gilmore, Charles Manson, but who can name all they people they massacred?
If you can, you're a rarity. When teenagers or younger kids see these people getting the publicity they get it makes them legends in their own minds. Ever since Jesse James, Butch Cassidy, etc etc, rebellious teenagers look at these madmen as heros. That's why I say the stone is really starting to roll.

@Johnnyd - Don't you mean, one armed citizen CAUSED this all?

L.S. @L S. - Don't you DARE call this a-hole a citizen.

Psycho, a-hole, criminal... plenty of other things you can label this guy with, but a CITIZEN he was definitely NOT.

semantic nonsense @Johnnyd - He was armed and he was a citizen.

Just because you got your gun the right way, does not make you immune to mis-using it.

I just can't believe that guns solve the problem of guns.

Change the Word @Robert B. - (Semantically, guns can't solve anyone's problems let alone their own, since guns are inanimate objecst and can't do anything of their own accord... but moving on in a more mature vein...)

If we state your last comment replacing the word "guns" with the word "fire" we get:

I just can't believe that fire solve[s] the problem of fire

And yet the old maxim "fight fire with fire" is true. Fire is used to fight fire.

Would you recommend taking guns out of the hands of law enforcement? If not, why not? You don't can't believe that guns solve the problem of guns, so you must have a hard time believing that law enforcement should carry.

However, let's be practical and logical. Law enforcement officers carry guns for what reason, if not to use them with sometimes lethal force against those criminals who also have them? Deterrence only, perhaps? Well that doesn't stop the shooter in the school/mall/church etc.

Now, if you are suggesting that all guns everywhere should be removed from circulation and all gun production ceased and all previously made guns be melted down and forged into railroads and spoons and skyscrapers, well then yeah, that's a lofty ideal and it would be super if we could really ever expect to be able to "beat our swords into plowshares" as a global community.

The reality is that as long as there are people with a pension for violence, there will be people who will find a way to have a physical advantage over others and they will use that advantage to cause harm. If we were to get rid of the guns, the swords, the knives, the chemicals that when combined create explosives, and every other weapon around the world, where would we be? Would we be peaceful? If all we had were farm implements such as rakes and hoes and spades and shovels so that we could at least grow vegetation and still feed ourselves, it stands to reason that one of these people will get hold of a spade and put it through somebody's skull.

Take the story of Cain and Abel, for example. The story of the first murder. Whether you're religious or not, the story has a moral value, and more than that you can't suppose that Cain shot Abel, and it's doubtful that Cain killed Abel with a sword, as killing other people was unknown at that time. Maybe he used a knife, I imagine they existed for slaughtering animals, however Cain was a gardener, so it stands to reason he used a shovel or other farm tool.

So getting rid of guns won't stop murder. It would slow it, probably, you can't swing a shovel as quickly as you can squeeze off a few rounds from a handgun, so maybe its a step in the right direction.

And yet...

Pragmatically, disarming the world would be virtually impossible. I don't like to say anything is impossible, but disarming the world is one of those things that is so unlikely that the difference between it's probability and impossibility is so fine that impossible would get the point accross better than improbable.

So what are the proposed solutions? 1) Disarm law abiding citizens, 2) Arm all law abiding citizens who believe themselves capable of returning fire.

Well, there are many more propositions than these, but these are the two extremes that get the most "air time". Neither are great, ideas at all. Both seem kind of foolish and dangerous. There needs to be a balance between the two, but that's actually what we currently have. Is it working? Maybe. It's hard to know without inching towards one or the other and seeing how that changes things. But dare we?

The bottom line is that an armed populace may give rise to more opportunity for such displays of violence, while an unarmed populace gives rise to more opportunity for those who remain armed to exercise their violent power more liberally.

An armed populace offers a deterrence factor that an unarmed populace does not. However, this guy who opened fire last night, he knew he would eventually be shot and killed. He had to know that he wouldn't get out alive, so knowing he would die wasn't much of a deterrence factor for him (or any of the other shooters over the past several years), so does that mean having an armed populace doesn't deter? Of course not. It just means it doesn't deter this particular kind of shooter. One thing it may do, however, is end the shooting spree before 5 people are killed.

In summary, to bring us full circle: Guns don't solve the problem of guns. That is up to people. The guns in the hands of the officers who finally killed the shooter last night didn't solve the problem of those who had been killed or injured. However they did solve the problem how to prevent other people being shot and possible killed if the cops had not been armed.

I agree! @Robert B. - United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths. I don't think we can reduce the number of gun related death and tragedy by increasing the number of guns in the society. If you compare the number of gun related death in U.S. with other countries, you will see that something needs to be done in this country.

The Highest rate of Gun deaths? @Bob S. - Is that including the countries like Iraq and Somalia where the corrupt governments slaughter their own citizens by the tens of thousands? Saddam was a firm believer in gun control, so was Hitler.

While I do believe in some measure of societal control, we have to draw the line somewhere. Benjamin Franklin is credited with making the statement, "He who trades freedom for security deserves neither." How far are you willing to sacrifice your freedom for security? I would prefer to maintain my freedom and contribute to providing my own security. Just as our founding Fathers did for themselves and tried to pass on to us.

@Johnnyd - You're right johnnyd...he must have been an illegal alien.

to ls @L S. - No. I'm betting an 18-year-old kid didn't have a conceal carry permit. That doesn't make him a legally armed citizen. It makes him an illegal weapon carrier, the kind who gets their hands on weapons with or without a permit. I'm also betting that if he knew that 1/2 the patrons at the mall were packing, he'd have thought twice before attempting to unload on them.

@Loni S. - So does it matter to the 5 dead if he got the gun legally or illegeally? No. The bottom line is this, statistics show that he most likely got the gun from home. According to the Brady institute, of the James Brady that was shot in the Reagan assassination attempt, 43% of US households with kids also have guns. More than 1/2 of those households keep those guns unlocked. 1 in 10 keep the guns loaded AND unlocked.

So, and this is speculation, but the odds are that he didn't have to buy the gun off the street, he didn't steal it, he simply got it from home....

sorry pal, the troll is weak and frightening @L S. - If you truly believe this, then there's no helping you. Otherwise, this is a pathetic troll attempt. "Statistics show" and then you don't post any statistics linking VIOLENT CRIME to a REGISTERED GUN OWNER. That's the important point you were trying to make, is it not?

CRIMINALS commit these acts, with VERY few exceptions, with or without weapons of all shapes, types, and sizes. The random 18 year old that goes on a rampage is an anomaly. Thanks to the media, we hear about it the second it happens, but it's not the norm. I am a concealed carrier, and am a veteran of 10 years of active military service. I am an expert marksman, and can assure you that I hit what I shoot, and know when to shoot.

You're silly anti-gun position only works until your very life is on the line, and then I might happen to be there to give you a fighting chance against such a criminal or psychotic. Then I'm sure your opinion would quickly change.

CFP is not always the answer @Johnnyd - Just because you get a CFP doesn't mean this would have ended any sooner. It mostly likely means that there would have been one more casualty or that the police would have shot you also because they didn't know who the true suspect was. If everyone is running around carrying guns, how are the police to know who is who????

@Treimee - This shooting was ended by an armed citizen (an off duty Ogden Police Officer) and he was not shot by the arriving Salt Lake Police. Without that armed citizen the death toll would likely have been a lot higher.

@Treimee - This shooting was ended by an armed citizen (an off duty Ogden Police Officer) and he was not shot by the arriving Salt Lake Police. Without that armed citizen the death toll would likely have been a lot higher.

Not So Sure @Johnnyd - Don't you think that there were armed citizens there? It's one thing to talk and write about confronting and killing this sor of evil monster, and it is quite another to actually do it. There are actually a number of strong disicnetives to doing so. First among them is the very real possibility of getting oneself killed, either by the gunman, or by another citizen or police who mistakenly think you are the killer. Another is the many hours of interrogation and investigation you will face at the hands of police, the DIstrict Attorney's Office and perhaps even a Grand Jury.

In a situation like this one, the safe thing to do is run out of the mall or hide somewhere and shoot only if you yourself are directly threatened.

testing testing... @Former utahn - is this thing on?

what happened to my reply here??

Good point, however... @Johnnyd - unfortunately, one armed citizen STARTED it all!

My heart goes out to the families and victims as well. God bless you and the officers who risked their lives to help you.

Of course @Johnnyd - The obvious reply is....

IT WAS ONE ARMED CITIZEN THAT STARTED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

Sorry...but I'd still rather the police did the disarming.

I'm guessing.... @Robert B. - you or somone you care about weren't the second, third, fourth..... person to get shot by this creep. Had there been a armed civilian there they could have stopped this guy well before the cops got there.

I'm guessing @30 cal - You don't know anything about me or my past.

But since we are just throwing out guesses....

I'm guessing you haven't been to Somalia.

That's a GREAT example of what happens when everyone has guns.

But you probably haven't been outside the country. So how about the "hood" in huge urban cities in the 90s?

Wait...I'm guessing you haven't been outside Utah.

Of course...I could be wrong. I'm just guessing.

Look, Chief... @Robert B. - armed and trained citizens with permits to carry small arms are NOT "skinnies" with AK-47's, no matter how you try and spin that.

We're not talking about the "hood" either, with criminal records longer than Brigham's pedigree chart.

So let's stay on topic, which is that gun control or lack thereof caused this issue.

Leave the crap flinging to the ape cage.

I never made mention of caring about your past. @Robert B. - I never made mention of caring about your past.

You read pretty deep into my post.

The fact of the matter is my guess was right all of yours are wrong.

Your comparison between places where there are many more criminals with guns than good law abiding citizens to Utah is bull. If everyone in Utah had a gun we wouldn't even remotely resemble the ghetto or the cities in Somalia you might have seen.

I appreciate what the police do but they can't be there every second holding my hand to keep a crazy kid from shooting me while I shop.

Sorry...but I'd rather I have the option to disarm if needs be.

Somalia @Robert B. - I also have never been to Somalia. But, if for some reason I had to go....I would want to have a gun.

Gun control @Robert B. - To understand this issue one only needs to study atrocities throughout history. In almost every case it is easy to spot the victims. They are the ones that don't have a means to defend themselves. Your natural rights are those that you have without anyone “giving” them to you. You have a natural right to defend yourself. A gun is a tool to do that. It is not dangerous all by itself.
No one has the moral right to take the ability to defend yourself away from you. Not an individual. Not society. If you don't feel safe with a gun then don't have one. But when you start wanting to strip others of that choice you are taking away their natural right that they were born with.
It is as simple as that. This heartbreaking tragedy illustrates this truth.

@Johnnyd - One aremd OFFICER ended this all. One armed teen started it. REMEMBER!

Concealed weapon... @Inigo montoya - I hear ya. I will finally be getting that license I have been putting off. The world couldn't have enough trustworthy people with guns on them.

"No guns" @James A. - If only they would put up a "No guns" sign at Trolley Square this would never be able to happen.

Sarcasm @Besserwisser - Im thinking that was sarcasm.....Im hoping that was sarcasm.

Sorry dude @Besserwisser - You can carry at all the malls,I carry all day long, no matter where I go. I feel sorry for the people who where hurt, god bless them! Protect your familes, get a concealed weapons permit, please! Bad guys can pop up anywhere--- protect your familes now.

I am glad that you are prepared @Copforlife2 - Just a note of caution friend. The officer who was in plain clothes was caught in a dangerous cross fire. It is very fortunate that the uniformed officers had cool heads and did not engage him. Just remember that if you find yourself in a situation where you might have to use deadly force; you are a potential target to people who out-gun you in a major way. Not to mention that most of them are expert shots. They have no way of knowing who you are. Think about it. Don't be afraid to act, just think about it.
Nevertheless, the off duty officer is a hero.

You're a cop, right? @Copforlife2 - So how do off duty cops identify themselves to other cops? If you were an off duty cop trying to engage a monster like this and a swat teams stormed in, how would you let the swat team know that you are one of them?

Just curious. I'm not trying to dissuade you from getting involved in something like this - I'm genuinely curious.

well here's on thing to give it away @Jennifer z. - Well, for all the repeat posters who keep asking, here's a way we do it...

When law enforcement shows up, the hands go up in the air, with the weapon safe. The psycho is the one still shooting and doesn't put down the shotgun.

Contrary to popular belief, SWAT and L.E. doesn't run up and shoot anyone holding a weapon, especially when subject A is pointing a small handgun at subject B who is holding a shotgun and randomly shooting.

Does that clear things up a bit?

Duh! @Besserwisser - Freaks like this are still going to come in weilding a weapn even if there was a "No Guns" sign this idiot would still have had his hay day at others expense.
Once again DUH!

DUh @Christy84065 - Freaks like this are still going to come in weilding a weapn even if there was a "No Guns" sign this idiot would still have had his hay day at others expense.
Once again DUH!

Thanks Christy for making the point that gun laws will not stop the freaks!!! Only bullets will stop the freaks in cases like this.

My wife and I both carry and we attend tatical shooting classes to help us in situations like this. My wife is a deadeye at 25 yards and pitty the soul who wants to confront her.

When freaks do this it is a suicide mission and the only way you can stop them is with force.

America better brace itself because the bad guys will be here very soon. The crazys who live in the other world of ratical religions will be on our doostep in the not to distant future. They want to kill you.

@Dogface - Hey Dogface,

Instead of stopping them with force, why don't we try to reach them before it gets to that point?

@L S. - Reaching them before the fact would be ideal. (of course)I think most anyone would have done something to help this kid if they new he was going to do something this awful.

Dogface is right,
once it gets to that point it takes a gun to stop a gun.

no subject from L S. @L S. - koumbayah koumbayah


you will never understand that they do not want to be reached, they want you indfidels DEAD!

nice troll attempt again @L S. - Nice troll attempt, for the 3rd time. I think this poster was referring to the "bad guys" from the extremist standpoint. "Reach them" is a fantasy devoid of any serious thought.

Reach Them? @L S. - What in the heck are you talking about? Maybe if we tried to reach this guy he would not have done what he did; I don't think so!

America has become a bunch of Eunuchs, where is my John Wayne? I know, he has gone to the other side where we talk our way out of conflicts and essentially lay down and kiss the feet of all who want to hurt us.

The world is a tough place and here in America we have become just like the French. Russia is on the move and will have their empire back, Europe is now part of Iran and America is hiding under the bed.

Guess you guys don't know... @Besserwisser - sarcasm when you see it.

Besserwisser is just making a point about how STUPID gun legislation is. He's being sarcastic people!

Actually, facetious is more like it.

I get your disdain for the law and sign crap, man.

ONLY LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OBEY SIGNS AND LAWS!!!!

Gun control is about how tight a pattern I can put in the chest of a%#holes like this guy (perp at Trolley).

Glad he's dead!!!

@Besserwisser - A no guns sign would have only prevented those who obey the law

Metal detectors... @Cheif - I think they could've used/should demand metal detectors in all malls. People are NUTS anymore. I mean...C'mon where ya gunna find a really powerful "plastic" gun!

I'm so glad I wasn't there last night. I almost was. I HOPE God has some level of mercy on the poor distubed young man's soul! I feel soo bad for all of those involved! God Bless you, and your all in my prayers! UTAH SHOULDN'T COME TO THIS!!!!

Metal detectors?? @Pray-er! - Didn't this start in the parking lot?

Put a metal detector and a rent-a-cop at the front door and your rent-a-cop will be your first victim in a rampage type shooting (alarms and all).

Maybe the malls should hire plain clothing, armed security guards and advertise that these people are always roaming the malls ready to bring you down if you try something like this.

Besserwisser @Besserwisser - I really don't think a sign that says "No Guns" would keep this guy out.

If someone is on a rampage to kill people.....they're not going to read the sign and say to themselves "Oh, I can't take my gun in there....I had better go to another place that allows guns so I can kill people".

I'm really hoping that your comment was sarcasm.

A sign wouldn't help @Besserwisser - I'm sorry, if this "waste of skin" had no disregard for human life, a sign is not going to stop him.

@Besserwisser - Your a idiot Of course a No Guns sign would work retard.

Oh, I'm SURE that a "sign" @Besserwisser - would have "prevented" this scumbag from gunning down all of the innocents. I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic and verbose, otherwise, your naivete' makes you a blithering idiot.

I was there minutes before the war games started @James A. - WOW i missed all the BANGS. I was at Trolley Square eating dinner at "the old Speghitti factory" right about the time it happened but heard nothing so i must have left just prior to it all happening.

A co-worker i work graveyard with was there when it happened he was at the West end of Square on the second floor and said it sounded like a big stack of heavy scaffle planks being dropped to the ground from the 50th floor of a construction site over and over.

Man this is so messed up some one obviously does not have their head screwed on right but man House Bill 0050 comes up in committee today and the argument is crap like this is not instigated by video games but now if i am that sponsor i walk in and say committee committee another incident i want my substituted resolution changed back to my original bill. I can see Scott Wyatt doing just that.

It will be interesting to learn the background of the person.

Interesting you nutcase @Dumb computer geek - I find it interesting how your opinion all the sudden flip flopped over night! talking on the log about the correctional officer who stole money you hate police and think they are all scum, but here you are, with life in the hands of police and all the sudden they are glorious? make up your mind. I think you are nuts.

@myramaines - Nope not at all man. I have said "certain" lets say it again so you get it "CERTAIN" Police have major attitudes but some are actually pretty cool like the Murray PD guy at Starbucks in Murray on certain days the guys that patrol my neighborhood. The guys that patrol my neighborhood are way cool they know pretty much every one by first or last name. I would buy these guys dinner if they could except but they can not departmental policy.

Bro i was eating dinner last week at a restaurant and had my lap to pwith me. No way do i leave my lappy unattended but that night there was a Police officer eating with some one. If those two were not sitting right by my table no way would i have walked off to make a call outside but i did. He looked pretty upstanding. Your perception of what i think is way off.

Do i have a certain standard that civilian personel should live by count on it. You should have that same standard you pay their salary but the reality is they are normal people just like you and i, they do things aside of Policing just like i do i am not sure if you do.

I do not think i praised or bashed anything i mearly stated i was at Trolly Square at the time the media reported this tragedy i must have just barely missed it because it was all calm and quiet when i left. Did i hear sirens well of course but by the time it all happened i was already far enough away to discount anything of this magnitude having happened until i learned of it later reading the news.

Just for the record what does your psychic mind say i think??? I would really like to know.


Some Salt Lake Valley agencies "definitly" need improving.

CFP classes @James A. - Ok for everyone who wants to go out and get your CFP I'm glad you feel that way. Email training@strategictacticalgroup.com to set up a class. This is a tradgedy that could have been ended before more people we killed and injured. I'm sorry for those that have lost loved ones or had to witness this incident.

Trapped-but okay we're trapped in the backroom of pottery barn kids and we witnessed people being gunned down in the second floor and in the entry way. police are aware we're here. and we just want everyone to know we're okay.

pbk staff

Will you talk to Time Magazine? @James A. - James A.,
I'm Utah's Time Mag. reporter and I would be very interested in talking to you about what you witnessed and experienced tonight at Trolley Square. You and anyone else that might have been with you. You can reach me at peta@liston.com or call 414-5652.

Show some tact @Peta L. - Just for that comment, I will never pick up an issue of Time magazine. That was about as sleazy as it gets. In fact, perhaps your competition would be interested in seeing just how tactless you are.

Perhaps a little more compassion and concern for their situation was in order. You can worry about your meal ticket later.

KSL did the same thing @Spencer F. - Last night KSL, along with every other news station, was asking anyone who was in Trolley Square, or had witnessed the shooting to call in. Peta is just doing his job. He wants information just like all you bloggers want it, so get over it.

Nice work Peta @Peta L. - Typical reporter getting the "Dirty Laundry" that Don Henley sings about. I can't believe this guy is for real. Would anyone be dumb enough to make that comment and post his/her phone number too?

uh? @Eric C. - Peta... were your parents siblings?

Pathetic I do wish people would learn to control their anger. It is sad when innocent by-standers are put in harms way. I do hope no one was seriously hurt.

we were there We were in the desert edge brewery and a guy sitting by the window saw someone cock a gun and then fire shots before entering the building. Everyone started running out and we are now safe at home. my friends were trapped inside hiding in a closet for about 25 minutes before he was able to run out.

Very scary. Still breathing hard.

Who does this?!?!

No description?? @Roger M. - Nobody commenting on TV has given a description of the shooter, though many saw him...what did the shooter look like?

Good idea to be armed @Roger M. - This is why some of us have availed ourselves of concealed weapons permits.

I hope and pray I never have to use a gun in self-defense. But if I ever need, I intend to have it with me.

Why? Because I can't throw a rock, or chair, or anyting else at 1300 feet per second.

Amen to that @Charles h - I wish someone with a concealed weapons permit and a gun would have been the one to put this guy down - it would go a long way to showing that owning such is a good idea. I still just don't understand why people think that outlawing guns will prevent this type of thing from happening - people that want to kill are not worried about breaking a law that says they can't have a gun.

Amen to that @Thurbermingus - Thurbermingus, you are so right!!!!

So, why hasn't it happened? @Thurbermingus - Considering how responsible CFP-holders are, and how many CFP-holders there are, why haven't they stopped anything like this mass-murder yet? We hear constantly that CFP-holders will make society safer. Are we to believe that there were no CFP-holders at Trolley Square last night? Or at any similar situations around the country. I have yet to hear of a CFP-holder actually making society safer. At some point, all of the talk gets old.

every month in the NRA magazine...every month @Walter s. - Every MONTH there is a story that showcases this very thing in NRA magazines. EVERY month. Too bad the media at large misses this. They name time, places, and so forth and state from the carrier's point of view what happened and under what circumstances.

Well, that shuts me up @Cletus_Lives - So, the NRA puts it in their magazine, told by the CFP-holder's point-of-view? It doesn't get much more objective and credible than that. Thanks for straightening me out.

nice try. @Walter s. - "They name time, places, and so forth" was posted so that one wouldn't come back with "oh, it's all made up" (or whatever it is you said...).

But nice try nonetheless.

Nice try? @Cletus_Lives - So, if the articles in the NRA magazine list names, dates, and places, it has to be true and unbiased? I just don't think that a magazine published by the NRA is the ultimate source of unbiased truth about gun violence issues. I know that you blame the liberal media conspiracy for covering up the truth about CFP heroes, but I would think that some of those stories would leak into the mainstream media.

Absolutely @Charles h - And thank the lord for the NRA. They will always protect the psychos right to gun down innocent bystanders.

On the contrary... @David P. - it is the NRA and other pro-gun organizations that protect the right of innocent bystanders to defend themselves from the psychos.

It is the Brady Bunch, and people like David P who seem to think that leaving innocent people unarmed and defenseless in the face of violent crimminals will somehow reduce crime.

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found raped and strangled to death with her own nylons is morally superior to the woman explaining to police how her attacker got those fatal bullet wounds.

Wonderful - someone that is thinking!!! @Charles h - Common sense, so uncommon these days. You have it, too bad more can claim that!

not that simple @Charles h - When does a person with a gun in hand and good intentions become a suspect or a target for another concealed weapons holder? I do wish that was the best answer however this creates as many if not more problems than it solves.

On the contrary... @My bad - We have over 80,000 permits valid in Utah. Florida has several hundred thousand permits valid. I'd guess there are several million permits valid in the 47 States that now issue permits, plus Vermont that does not issue, but does not require a permit to carry a self-defense weapon. How many cases can you cite where your concerns have materialized?

Or are your concerns NOT based on solid facts, but instead on paranoid fantasies?

And would you disarm off-duty or plains clothes police officers as well? EXACTLY the same "problem" is present. How does anyone know he is a cop?

It is not real tough to tell the difference between a bad guy mowing down innocent people and a good guy--be it an off duty cop or a concealed permit holder--who is carefully defending himself.

Bottom line, it does NOT create problems except for the criminals.

Wrong Again Charles @Charles h - With all these guns in the hands of "law abiding citizens" why isn't crime dropping?
Because more guns = more sick people getting their hands on one.

Sorry kid, but you are wrong this time. @Kalifornya kid - You apparently do not under the dynamics of most crimes such as this.
The truth is, violent crime is the worst in all of the US cities with the most restrictive gun laws.
There is no direct link between sick people and guns. Evil is evil. Violent is violent. Ever take a look at the alarming number of murders in some other countries? Violent people will find what ever weapons they can if they intend to kill.
As a soldier you should know that it is foolish to take a knife to a gun fight. Peace is obtained through the use of superior firepower. Period.
Take care kid.

Disagree Hueydriver @Hueydriver - Hate breeds hate. Superior firepower works for a time but has ALWAYS throughout history has been defeated (think USSR and Afghanistan, us and Vietnam). Every great nation has fallen by the wayside for a verity of reasons.
My reasoning says that every day more and more people get weapons to defend themselves. Therefore, everyday crime should drop a bit as more and more people arm themselves. How many weapons were sold last year? A million? Crime should be dropping like a rock. But is isn't.
Bad guys can not go out and legally buy a gun but the ALWAYS has access to getting one. Why? Because there are so many out there. We need to control them (not disarm as some people advocate). If it suddenly cost ten thousand dollars for a "Saturday night special", crime would drop.
On another note Hueydriver, I don't know how I gave you the impression I was ever in the service but they wouldn't take me. In fact after failing to get in, I was classified as 1-E on my draft card (If I remember right). It was, I could be called up after everyone else was dead and they were really desperate.
Anyway, it's good to hear from you again. Hope all is well with your kids. I think we all agree this is a real tragedy that need to stop.

NRA... @Kalifornya kid - Not trying to plug the NRA... but you would not see this happen at an NRA meeting.

If good people looked to empower themselfs more with the CFP - these evil folks wouldn't beable to fantisise as easlly about "hunting" people, when the thought is there to remind them, there might be some armed folks that CAN shoot back and defend themselves.

Death unknown is scarier than a death that is known and fixed to these sorts.

Goodspeed to those that have fallen today.

Peace to those that love them.

Nice Post Neilson @Neilson - I would agree about the NRA meeting. I am guessing the wouldn't even consider serving alcohol drinks before one.
It looks to me like the NRA types think MORE weapons will solve the problem. I beg to differ. More weapons = more killing in my book. In anthropology you can see over and over again, few weapons, little killing. Bring in new weapons and the killing increases. Study the history of the Native American, for example. Before Europeans there were wars where dozens died. After the Europeans supplied them with horses and rifles, hundreds and hundreds died in tribal wars.

Great ideals... but I disagree with the process. @Kalifornya kid - In most cultures where there was not a strong stance of equal defense, there is a strong record of abuse by others more stronger. This would bring to mind the fact the UK and Canada have seen an increase of home burglary's and personal assaults in homes since their disbarment.

The evil thugs are still out there getting guns as the factory's have not stopped making them nor has the need dropped, period. A 45 min. plane ride across the water to Belgium and two hour ride back to the England, will fix you lack of a gun in the UK.

In a global society that has and creates a culture where weapons are "cool" and so needed by our hero's and so wanted by bad people to abuse, a good person needs to realize pretending that the utopia of "no weapons" is being truly deceived, and should travel a bit more to see the world they live.

I for one would gladly lay down my weapon... after the armed threat to my home, family and life does as well. But even then, in the world we live... I would keep an eye on where I laid it down.

The ideologues for a gun free utopia have a great idea... it just hasn't worked out, yet. Fix the fight then lose the weapon... not the other way around.

I Tend To Agree With You @Neilson - As long as the bad guy can easily get guns, I think it is foolish to disarm people. My goal would be to make it expensive and difficult for everyone to get guns by getting rid of most of them and the ones that are left would cost so much, bad guys would need to rob a dozen banks to buy one.
This won't happen because the NRA and gun manufactures care more about $ than they do victims. I find it most ironic that the people that make guns to protect you are the very same people that make guns to be used against you. Gun manufactures have got it made.

Nice Post Neilson @Neilson - I would agree about the NRA meeting. I am guessing the wouldn't even consider serving alcohol drinks before one.
It looks to me like the NRA types think MORE weapons will solve the problem. I beg to differ. More weapons = more killing in my book. In anthropology you can see over and over again, few weapons, little killing. Bring in new weapons and the killing increases. Study the history of the Native American, for example. Before Europeans there were wars where dozens died. After the Europeans supplied them with horses and rifles, hundreds and hundreds died in tribal wars.

The name says it all kid. @Kalifornya kid - Where were you hiding during all the chaos San Francisco kid? You missed your opportunity to save lives and demonstrate the value of "education" and "negotiation" in a time of crisis. If only you could have been there. Certainly all this guy needed was a friend and a lisenting ear. You could have walked in with your "I'm gay and pro-abortion" shirt and smoked a peace pipe with this guy and put an end to the whole ordeal. He just needed someone to "educate" him about the evil nature of guns in his misguided frenzy. You let us all down kid. Now you'll have to live with that for the rest of your meaningless life.

JasonT, you are absolutely right @Jason T. - with the response to Kalifornya Kid(I believe it's a poser), the Kumbayiah folks think holding hands and expressing "love" will resolve the sick low lifes who commit these heinous actions. News Flash for the "Kid"-it won't. Not ever. Get real, and quit being afraid to get involved in reality, not your fantasy world of marginal bud.
Thanks Jason for your articulate response to these poser cretins.

Chaos In San Francisco? @Jason T. - Hiding? Do you mean letting the police do the job they are paid to do? I supposed I could have gone in and done my "Dirty Harry" thing and saved them all a bunch of trouble but I was in LA at the time. Crime won't wait.
On the other hand where were you last night when they needed you? You could have worn your "I hate gays and everybody else" t-shirt, walked up to the bad guy and pulled out your mommas 45 and said "go ahead, make my day, cause I'm your worse nightmare". He would have started laughing so hard at you he would have dropped his gun and you could have shot him. Then you would have finally been that hero that you dream of being every night.
Oh well. Thanks to the NRA you will soon get another chance and another and another...

Wrong Kalifornya Kid @Kalifornya kid - Where do you get your info. A lot of places have had violent crimes drop. Maybe you should do some reading. Take a look at California and Chicago. Some of the most strict gun laws. Are they free of crimes involving guns. No, Infact some of the most crimes. There is one city that has almost no crime. They have a law that you have to own a firearm.
Criminals are going to target people they know cant protect themselves.

Someone should ask the politicians like Hiliary Clinton and Ted Kennedy if they are willing to give up having armed body guards. Lets find out just how much they believe those laws will save them from harm!!!!

Where Do You Get Your Info @Mark W. - Same place you get yours. Many more have not have a drop in crime or a very small drop. In Calif, when I was living there all you had to do to get around the gun laws was go to a gun show. No waiting, any name would do, especially if you bought from out of state collector/dealer. Most of the gun crimes in Chicago and LA are by young gang members. Where do they get their guns?

yeah, what's wrong with you people hope nobody got hurt...
enough tragedies had happened lately
NO MORE PLEASE!
OR pretty soon we won't be able to leave our homes just to protect ourselves and loved ones from getting hurt just because of the morons that play around with guns, alcohol and driving, and doing drugs.

What a bunch of cowards @Vmarshall - These gunman are nothing but a bunch of losers trying to act tough while gunning down innocent people. How evil is that? I hope they catch the second gunman soon.

hard rock cafe my daughter is working in the hard rock cafe. she says they're on the floor in a back room an they're ok. please pray for everyone affected by this. Heavenly Father listens.

Thank you for posting this about the Hard Rock employees @Mary R. - I have a good friend who works at Hard Rock and know many of her friends who work there. I've been leaving voice mail messages all night - no reply. THANK YOU for the Hard Rock employee report!!!

Police Reporting atleast 5 "Echo" = obviously dead. Second shooter still in building.

second shooter? @Knwldge - Did I miss something? I thought there was only one shooter? I did not see this in the article on ksl or on the tv. There was a second shooter?

911 Caller @Gail B. - A person from inside one of the stores called in and said someone was shooting in the store. This was after the first shooter was confirmed dead by PD. It now seems that the woman who called in was confused.

@Gail B. - They thought that temporarily. They've now ruled it out.

breaking the rules @Jencw3 - Hey mom,whats up?

@Bajo de perro - Not much. You staying out of trouble, or are you out trolling again?

No @Jencw3 - subject you and son are s-um

@Lurch - Explain to me what is trollish about my post. Underdog (that's his original name) for SOME reason always calls me "mom" on these boards. Don't ask me why. He asked me what's up and I asked if he's staying out of trouble on the boards or if he's out trolling, because he's a KNOWN troller on the boards and he's usually saying something completely absurd. And now I get voted a troll??? Apparently people didn't read the definition of a troll before they just start randomly voting people as a troll! If you don't know what "troll" means, here's a hint... DON'T VOTE PEOPLE AS TROLLS.

For all of you For all of you who like to bash cops..... That's why we're here.

@The germ - Thank heavens for that cop, and all of those out there risking their lives for us! I am in awe that he, as well as the other police officers, would risk his life to protect us all. He even went as far as to warn (Police! Drop the gun!) the shooter and give him one last chance to save his own life. To any officer of the law that may be reading, thank you!

For all of you 5 People dead, Multi-agency response...... For all of you who like to bash cops. That's why we're here

dont forget concealed weapon permit holders @The germ - they are cops best friends.
Cops are best friends to Concealed Carry Holders too.

At times like this, I wish I could go help.

All i have to say is what kind of coward does this?

I agree @Slc_climber - I hope it was a concealed weapon holder that killed the 'suspect'.

The armed citizen... @The germ - ...the front line.



fast. straight. safe. practice. carry.

Couldnt Agree more @Agnoscet - If you, the reader would like more information go to http://www.packing.org/state/utah/

Im glad the cops were there @Agnoscet - I wonder if any of the people who fled the mall in fear were concealed weapons permit holders. You guys are all thumping your chest and saying that a concealed weapon permit holder is just like, or even better than, having a cop there, but there is a big difference. A cop is sworn to protect us and trains constantly to do so. I’ve said it before on this comment board, there is a big difference between firing on a paper target and drawing a bead on a live person. In the heat of a real crisis how many would run towards the sound of gunfire? I’m pretty sure that most of you, unless directly threatened by the shooter, would retreat and let the cops handle it. You may now proceed to call me a troll.

@The germ - If you find the 2nd shooter, just shoot him! Thanks for all the hard work you do!!

My prayers go out to all there.

an epidemic What can we do to stop this. This is like columbine, but on a full public basis. Do we put metal detecters in shopping centers? This is very serious!

According to be research on the topic... @Corey H. - ...by Dr. John Lott, there is very little that dissuades a suicidal mass shooter. Harsher sentences mean nothing to someone who intends to die in the act of his crime either at his own hands, or by committing "suicide by cop." The disarming of law abiding citizens certainly does NOT stop criminals.

The ONLY thing that works is to make it easier for law abiding citizens to legally carry guns for self-defense.

As others have pointed out, these criminals are cowards. He picked a downtown shopping mall where he figured most everyone would be defenseless. He did NOT attack a police station, or a gun store or a shooting range.

Arm the law abiding citizens and these kinds of things happen less often, and when the do happen, they end a lot sooner, with few causalties.

Right on! @Charles h - If he would have known that there was a possibility that at least a few dozen of the mall shoppers might have their guns on them he might have reconsidered. Who knows? The world couldn't have enough guns in the hands of trustworthy people. We all need our concealed licenses.

@Charles h - You're stretching awfuly far on that one Charles H. For all the garbage you give people for making up their own statistics and facts you sure have a knack for blowing wind up peoples asses.

Your logic is biased and flawed.....it's called fallacy.

Actually, Aron H, your "fallacy" is based on the flawed logic from @Aron H. - your talking points "Little Quote Book" issued to the hysterical masses of non-thinking reactionaries.
Dr. Lott's statistics, often are used to de-bunk the hysteria and blatant pandering of those who seek to take away our civil rights in the name of "security and freedom". The only flatulence comes from the intentional and horrible mistating of "facts" by Handgun Control, Inc and others like them who consistently refer to drug dealers as "youths". Instead of misleading the public, how about you getting a real education and SEEING more than your own myopic viewpoint? It's O.K., you are an adult(I'm assuming and taking a risk in implying that) and can make good decisions all on your own, without your hand-wringing drum circle associates.

Here is an answer Corey H. @Corey H. - Get educated on firearms and get a ccw and a good carry weapon so the next time this happens in our community it will be short and there wont be injuries/fatalities by the masses.

if I was there and saw the shooter. no doubt about it 14 rounds right into the suspect's upper torso problem solved.

what a terrible event to happen. My prayers and thoughts are with all those effective by this incident.

@Emt badass - Isn't it scary that many of the proponents for concealed weapons can't even spell?

Courage @Max C. - At leste theid haf thu curag tu go aftr thu jurk!

When They're Both Caught... Quick justice. Get rid of them right on the spot. No questions. No expense.

I wish... @Hardtaill - If only that could really happen. Idiots like these should just be put down, like rabid dogs. Why should we as a society give them a paid vacation for the rest of their lives? Why not put it toward education etc. for those of us who appreciate life and want to see it get better?

I wish... @Hardtaill - If only that could really happen. Idiots like these should just be put down, like rabid dogs. Why should we as a society give them a paid vacation for the rest of their lives? Why not put it toward education etc. for those of us who appreciate life and want to see it get better?

Kenny A. @Kenny A. - You, my man, are a fool.

Truth hurts, doesn't it? @Hardtaill - A one line statement doesn't do much to support the "fool" assertion. Which part didn't you agree with? The fact that a bullet saved thousands in taxpayer dollars, or the fact that the criminal's rights were someone impacted?

Or is it possible that you are currently enjoying taxpayer privileges at this very moment?

Which one is it?

Truth Hurts?... @Cletus_Lives - Wrong poster. Try again.

What is wrong with you @Kenny A. - What is wrong with you, One thing is if this was happening in another city. But this is happening in your home town. What if it was someone you know that got shot. I bet you will feel like a jerk then. What if it was your friend or realative or maybe you dont have friends that shop? Kenny A. get a life or cable the progtaming wont get interupted on those channels.

do it on the news @Adamari O. - then we'll find out when they know for sure, right?

Oi vey @Adamari O. - Adamari O. says:
What is wrong with you, One thing is if this was happening in another city. But this is happening in your home town. What if it was someone you know that got shot. I bet you will feel like a jerk then...

Then, I likely wouldn't know about it anyway because, at this point in time and, likely, by even the 10 p.m. news, no names are being released and, I'd likely find out about it from the police department before I'd hear it on the news, in the first place.

Further, my hearing the breaking news continuously isn't going to save him/her...is it?

no heart? @Kenny A. - what's wrong with you, people are dying and you're worried about a stupid tv show?

People are dying and, you're on a stupid message board? @Moon River - Moon River says:
what's wrong with you, people are dying and you're worried about a stupid tv show?

People are dying every second of our individual lives. If I were to dwell and fret over every single person that was dying in this world on a moment-by-moment basis, my life would be a wreck.

Disagree? @Grump - LOL! Two people disagree that folks are dying every second of our individual lives. Or, they think they know me and know what my life would be like if I dwelled and fretted over every life lost. One of the two. Weird.

Why!! @Kenny A. - I was wondering the same thing when the crazy lady walked up on the big mormon dude and screamed that we we are all going to die while he was speaking!! Just let them be okay, and tell me the rest at 10 tonight. KSL rules!

Drivel @Kenny A. - Kenny didn't say it very well, so let me try.

A shooting incident is more important than out mindless entertainment - even "24" (close call). But I got pretty annoyed when they broke into programming for the THIRD time with NOTHING new to add. The talking heads went on and on, speculating about what happened, repeating themselves, and stumbling like drunks because they had no script on the teleprompter. By 9:00, even the police weren't giving out any details yet, so all we were getting was mindless DRIVEL from the talking heads.

But I think the "babble" award goes to Terry Wood on KTVX. They stayed on the air with continuous "coverage" (of nothing) for two hours. As I tuned around the stations, I started wondering if there was more than one Trolley Square. Either that, or each TV station was being broadcast from an alternate universe. There was one (or two) shooters. There was 1 or 5 or 12 dead, and "several" injured. The media was so desperate for facts, and there were none to be had. But that didn't deter the talking heads - they just made up something. This isn't news, it's sensationalism. I'm writing this just before 10:00, and no one has any "facts" yet. I think I'll just go to bed and see if anyone has sorted out the "facts" by morning.

Friends in Green Street. My mom works at Green Street and she's called multiple times. Everyone from Green Street is OK. They finally evacuated but now they are all sitting out on the street and can't leave and well someone please tell the police that they feel like sitting ducks.

family and friends because some of us have family and friends there. my mom has called multiple times. she works at green street and they are all okay they finally got evacuated but now someone please tell the police they feel like sitting ducks out there on the street corner where they CAN'T leave.

TV Quota The live tv breaking news seems to only consist of "live shots" of an empty parking lot, "terrified eye witnesses" waving at the cameras and spelling their names who witnessed nothing more than gunshots and broken glass, and stalling reporters.

Way to make your quota for breaking news airtime, KSL.

Have a little respect Just because you have seen it on t.v. doesn't mean others have. Perhaps people have family members that are trapped inside, or worse, dead. Don't you think you should have respect for those people who count on the news to bring them the news as they get it? Have a little respect. Those poor people. Like "24" is more important--try a little perspective.

on other TV - a description of one gunman "shooter was about 6’1”, wearing a dark trench coat, carrying a backpack. That witness says the suspect was wielding a shotgun at his shoulder and taking aim"

First the schools, now the malls?

What there is a guy that got grazed by a bullet, but another guy says that the shooter had a shotgun. a shotgun would blow a head off

Shotgun @rapid12367 - A shotgun blast at a 20 foot distance will stay in a 3 inch diameter. If the guy was on the second floor it is highly possible to be hit by one of the buck shot pellets!

with a extra full choke @Chrystal C. - a shotgun will spread 5 times more than that in 20 feet. where did you come up with that info?

Concealed Weapons Training/ Advanced Marksmanship/ Officer Training @Goldmember - From a short barrel or sawed-off yes, but a standard shot gun takes more than 20 feet to spread more than six inches apart. Whatever the case who knows how far apart they were from each other when the shot was fired. All I do know is it is possible he was just grazed on the head!

Shotgun info is wrong Chrystal C. @Chrystal C. - Sorry, but I have taught hunter ed for years and am an AVID duck hunter.

A shotgun with a full choke in will spread almost 4 feet across in less than 20 feet. Closer to 15 feet. If you use a turkey choke (the tightest choke made) you can have a 12 inch patter at about 10 feet. Less than 5 feet, the pattern is tight and almost always the shape of a square. (for more info go to firearmsid.com)

A sawed-off or home defense type barrel (18") will achieve a full spread in under 20 feet.

One possible explanation on what happened at Trolley Square is that 1 oz. lead slugs could have been used or the plastic wading may have hit him.

Not that it really matters, but I thought you should get your facts straight.

Utah, go get your Concealed Firearm Permits!!!
Take back the streets, your homes and public places.
DO NOT LET THESE LOOSERS CONTROL YOU!!!

Fed/Cal Difference @Goldmember - I hear that 83 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Double Offensive @Alan E. - In light of the circumstances I think that comment was lame and offensive, so double offensive, and they who made the comment should just get the He#$ out.

Triple offensive @Michael Scott - I hate so much the things that make you the way you are.

the key word being... @Dwight K. Schrute - key word here being "hate" right?

Insensitive I can't believe you people care more about a T.V. show than these poor people at Trolley Square. So they "interrupted" your T.V. show. Wah wah! At least you are not at Trolley Square. Insensitive.

Give it a rest.... @Gumbo Soup - Gumbo Soup says:
At least you are not at Trolley Square.

That's cuz I was more worried about my stupid TV show. Saved my life, probly.

@Gumbo Soup - I live right by Trolley Square. I should have been in Trolley Square having dinner at Rodizio Grill. I am still angry about missing my shows. Not that I don't care about the people, but I can't do anything about it.

Dinner and a show... @RoxyDuck - What, so you could be lying in some morgue right now? Yeah, better than having to miss your precious shows.

What you trolling for? @Littlemomma - You agree with Roxy? I'm just stating the truth. Life is real. There are 5 people dead today and five families left with pain, sorrow, and whatever else comes with tragedy. I've lost 2 brothers in life.

if only.... @Gumbo Soup - jack bauer had been there!

Shooting in south building I live kitty corner from Trolley Square.
The shootings were in the south building where Rodizio's and Spaghetti Factory are located.

They got 1st gunman and looking for the 2nd one.

more dead?? I have a friend that was eating dinner at a restraunt there. He said that he thinks there are at least five dead. he said his waiter was shot.

Tell us something else you don't know and show the repetitive footage of the same eyewitnesses again.

Ahhh! @John galt - Oh No! Not Heroes!! Watch it online tomorrow!

show some respect To all of the people worried about their precious television shows: people are dead! Show some respect. The media is covering this because the majority of people have souls and are worried about what is happening. They want to know what is going on and how the victims are doing. If you don't want to watch just turn off your t.v.-I'm sure you'll live if you miss an episode. Get a life.

Not true @lwat19 - The reporters have not reported that anyone is dead. Only that five people are down - including one shooter.

@disappointed viewer - Shut it...seriously just bust your tv until you have some perspective on life.. you're pathetic.

What are you watching? @disappointed viewer - I believe the police have said "multiple" fatalities. In case you don't know what that means, more than one person is dead.

You don't know that @disappointed viewer - It may very well be true. Someone who heard the police report, likely on a scanner, just posted a report of 5 dead. Someone else just posted that his friends waiter at the restaurant he was eating at was shot.

What about all the poor people who's family members work or are shopping or eating there? Don't you think they want to have a continual report to update them and find out about what is already known as soon as they turn on the TV. There may very well be people who come home and turn on the TV 30 minutes into this hour-long report and hear about this that really want to know. May be they need to call someone to see if they're OK or if they have been taken to the hospital. Just try for a second to put yourself into the situation.

Why in the world do you care so much about a stupid TV show? A TV show that is likely full of violence anyway. I peronally think the news gets too carried away and sensational about news events, but this one is significant. If you're so adicted to a TV show that interrupting it with this kind of report disturbs you, you should probably rethink your life or try to inmprove your character.

Think about someone besides "number one" for once!

Re: You don't know that @Jonathan L. - Jonathan L. says:
What about all the poor people who's family members work or are shopping or eating there?

They likely got a cell phone call or breaking news e-mail in their inbox and, probably knew about it before the story even broke on TV.

Don't you think they want to have a continual report to update them and find out about what is already known as soon as they turn on the TV.

The key word here is: "continual report to UPDATE" them. However, there were no updates. It was nothing more than regurgitated repetition of what was already said.

There may very well be people who come home and turn on the TV 30 minutes into this hour-long report and hear about this that really want to know.

Actually, I find this highly unlikely with the advent of cell phones. Nine chances out of ten, they already knew about it and, no one came home 30 minutes into that hour-long report to find out anything they didn't already know. They either heard about it on the radio. Received a cell phone call. Received a text message. Or, received a breaking news alert on their cell phone e-mail account.

May be they need to call someone to see if they're OK or if they have been taken to the hospital. Just try for a second to put yourself into the situation.

If someone needs to be called to see if they're OK, nine chances out of ten, the individual they need to call to find out if they're OK has a cell phone and, they've already called them to tell them they're OK. And, as far as having to call to see if anyone had to go to the hospital? Who you going to call? If the individual who's being taken to the hospital is incapable of answering the phone, who are you going to call to see if they're OK?

Why in the world do you care so much about a stupid TV show? A TV show that is likely full of violence anyway.

Is this opposed to the real-life violence that we're discussing here?

I peronally think the news gets too carried away and sensational about news events, but this one is significant. If you're so adicted to a TV show that interrupting it with this kind of report disturbs you, you should probably rethink your life or try to inmprove your character.

Why, because we're not glued to our TVs 24-7 listening to the real-life crap that's going on in the world? Maybe, for some folks, their television programs take them away from all the real-life horse crap that's going on in the world and helps prevent them from going insane...huh?

Now, again, if they have something more than "Uhhh...I don't know," and, "we're still investigating," and, "no names have been released yet," and, "various different hostpitals

Oh dear, people haven't been able to get to their cars for 40 minutes.

HEROES IS ON. Your "no news" breaking news is not more important than Matt Parkman taking a job as a body guard. Somebody flies and somebody dies. You've been pushing it all week, so let me watch it.

I guess @disappointed viewer - it is no big deal that maybe up to 5 people are dead. Just another day, huh?

And isn't it a shame that Heroes will never be repeated even this week? OH? Maybe it will, yes indeed it will. On the Sci-Fi channel. If you don't want to know when tragedy strikes around you, watch cable. Your compassion is overwhelming.

sci fi @Bonnie P. - sci fi doesn't carry hereos anymore

oh, sorry @whatever - I heard it was on there. Sorry. My mistake.

Heroes Update @Bonnie P. - I was shocked to hear about the shooting and my prayers go out to all the victums. For those of you who are upset about missing Heroes, get over yourself & download it off the internet. It will be on nbc.com tomorrow.

Exactly why we need to let citizens be armed... My prayers go out to all the victims and their families.

According to best research, by Dr. John Lott, this is exactly the kind of situation that begs for armed citizens. Private citizens being armed reduce the number of casualities in this multi-victim schootings.

I saw one fellow on the news who was looking for something to throw at the shooter. Which is exactly why I choose to be armed: because I can't throw rocks at 1300 feet per second.

show other phsycos how it is done All this does is show other phsycos how to get attention and make me miss a TV show all you ever do is show all the Evil in the world it is no wonder the world is so crazy. Thanks again for making me miss a show. I am with the guy above it is movie time.

Dear Nick G @Nick G. - Like your tv shows are that much better.... seen the previews... would rather watch the news.... when tv becomes more important than real people.. you better take a deep look at yourself...

Effects of repetedly talking about it @Nick G. - I do agree with the first part of this comment. Its very true that by showing something over and over, others are more likely to follow. I appreciate a good and informative news story but sometimes the media is pathetic. They are desperate for coverage of something- even if not all of the facts are straight. It is important that the community is aware of a tragedy like this and works to prevent it but it shouldnt be the focus of everyones lives for the next week or whatever. Instead of talking over and over about "the shooter" why not talk about something productive like how we might keep an individual like this from getting to this point and results in taking the lives of others.
Okay news stations. You told us what happened - what can we learn from it?

What about DOND and Heroes? Will these be shown later on? I see no point in this live coverage. Sure let us know about it, and then save it for 10PM.

This is reality @Cupboy - Your asinine television programs are just that programs, this is a very sad event, and if you can't separate reality from fantasy, I feel really sorry for you.

what does it matter @zammsmom - is having useless information going to do anything? is anyone going to do anything different than go "oh my, my prays go out to them"? so why interrupt the programming? that is why people watch the news, for the news. if you were anyone important to someone down there, they would call you on their cell phone. if they died then they wouldnt release names at that time anyway until family members are notified.

It is a big deal and TV can wait how would you feel if you or someone you knew was living or working around the area that this shooter was running around in. Wouldn't you want people to know about this so they could help spot the guy! It is repetitive but that is how they catch people like that!!!

Hey i know you! @Jenika P. - I know, people are dying and all these people can talk about is their dumb tv show. And also, i dont know why people are bragging about carrying around guns too...aren't they just supporting that behavior?

Off-topic, but are you @Jenika P. - Jenika P. who might've worked at ZCMI 10 years ago? Just wondering.

Oh please people, didn't you read my "subject?" @Littlemomma - I know it was off-topic. Save your voting for someone else.

OH PLEASE @Littlemomma - Then use your personal email and not on this board
This is a story about some nut killing someone that might have been a firend or relative and your trying to rekindle old friendships?
Your an Id--t
ijmho

You resort to name-calling? @Lurch - I don't have her email address, Lurch. Be nice.

Compassion.... People are dead. People are wounded. This is horrible. And you are worried about missing a tv show that you can watch again in 6 weeks when it reruns. Would you be this insensitive if any of these people were someone you loved?

Lil'Red @Lil\' red - People that make comments about missing their T.V. shows care about one thing and one thing only, themselves. They are the type of people that if someone close to them was killed or injured they would probably not really be phased. That is, if they allowed themselves to be close to people. They are heartless people and unfortunately the world is full of many of them. Shame on the people that were more interested in fictional T.V. then real life tragedies/happenings.

I am very sorry this happened but you are repeating the so called news tell me at 10pm!!

I TOTALY AGREE

show other phsycos how it is done All this does is show all the phsycos out there how to get attention and make us miss good TV shows. All you ever show is the evil in the world no wonder it is so crazy. Thnanks again for making me miss my show.

@Nick G. - Not reporting on the evil in the world doesn't make it disappear. Would you rather pretend that everything is peachy?

to funny @Nick G. - Like the tv shows you wanted to watch don't show the physco's how to do things... you must be physco to think those shows don't affect anyone.... Wow.. when did fake people become more important then real people... think about it...

What you missing? A cooking show?... @Nick G. - Last I checked, network tv has become almost worse to watch than cable. Your good tv shows aren't evil or don't have violence in them? No psychos there. Totally realistic!

Huh? @Littlemomma - Anybody know sarcasm when they see it? I was responding to Nick G. who missed his "good TV shows" which he believes do not portray evil or psychos going crazy on the network tv channels.

IM sick of the NEws you dont have tell me at 10 pm

You should see this on Channel 2 They've got their bug revolving around. Really neat-o.



.... NOT!

Rubber-Necking News This is idiotic. It's all gawking and speculation. Let's get back to standard programmming until an official statement is released. This is not news its playing to the public interest in the horror of the moment.

Totally agree! @mwcarlson - I can't stand the speculation! It just raises fear and causes panic! Media is so crazy!

heros? NOT SURE?about a shotgun alright already!!!!!

compassion I think the media is doing a great job covering the shooting. I haved loved ones in the mall and I'd rather learn what's going as it happens. Sorry it's such an inconvenience for those that are missing their precious TV shows. Hopefully it doesn't happen to you! Have a little compassion for the folks that are in there or care for someone that's there!

i think we have seen enough coverage it been an hour of coverage . can we please get back to regular t.v . i'm sorry for all the people, but you have been repeating your self for an good hour enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Facts An off duty Officer from Ogden shot the suspect.
He was having dinner and was there.
Just so you know.

@Macky - If this is in fact true, THANK GOD for men like him. If he hadn't been there and if he hadn't been carrying his weapon, who knows how high the body count could have been.

My prayers are with the families of the victims.

Not quite @Macky - But close.

Rubberneckers If its not the freeway than its the local networks. Come on, move on. Alright, there was a horrific scene of violence at Trolley Square. Can we get back to Hero's now? All this is just a bunch of gawking and speculation anyway.

rubberneckers @mwcarlson - I think we are watching a few heros.... those men in uniform...

I'm glad I live right by this situation. I'm glad that there's news coverage so we know what's going on, and when it's safe for us to go out and such. Thank you, KSL!

Friends and family My mom called again. They have moved some of the people outside inside the Hard Rock Cafe. Thank you for not letting them sit out on the streets like ducks.

All of you people whining about your show...You'll get to see your show. Some of us out here have friends and family down there. Some of us out here are scared right along with our friends and family. Try just for a moment to put yourself in our shoes. Try just for a moment to realize that the people of Utah no longer live in a glass bubble.

once again @Jana S. - reporting this isnt going to change anything. police officers werent monitoring the chat forum, then realized they shouldnt have the people outside. i highly doubt they would have them outside if it wasnt safe.

MSNBC reports similar incident in PA MSNBC is reporting 5 dead, including the shooter, in a Philidelphia Navy Yard.

Weird coincident, IF that is all it is.

actually @Charles h - according to MSNBC there are 3 dead there. Too wierd!

Repetitive footage They keep repeating the same footage. This isn't breaking news and isn't promoting the cause.

I for one don't care about what the tv station doesn't know. I just want to know what they know. If I wanted minute by minute and what we knew twenty minute ago coverage, I would watch a station dedicated to news and not a prime time television station.

Seriously, is this really happening?? [no swearing please] people, welcome to freakin' LA, every day.. I know this is big news for SLC but I'm pretty sure that a 2 minute update every 10 or 15 mins would suffice.. You've now been saying the exact same thing for over an hour.. Get real people, this happens daily in every other major city in the world.. It'd really not that big of a story.. I'm not trying to sound heartless, I'm sure I know people that were there when it went down.. I'm just saying that it's not the end of the freakin' world..

you're absolutely right! @Bob W. - i was in a mall in phoenix the other day and this shooter came in and started gunning people down and then the next day we went to another mall in
L.A. and there was another gunfight...but luckily jack bauer was there and shot the bad guy and then we went to another mall...oh wait this doesn't happen EVERY DAY...EVEN in L.A. so quite trying to diminuize the situation you jerk

Yeah right bud! @Bob W. - Why is it all over National News as their top story? This is not just like everyday in LA! These are innocent people being killed. You're right though, its not the end of the world. However, its not bad to worry about all those involved in this!

I just heard again from my daugher, a hard rock employee. They are letting people leave now, she just left. Please let's not be ugly. This is a stressful time for those of us with loved ones involved. But if it doesn't directly affect you, it probably does seem quite redundant. Let's hang in there together and pray for a successful outcome.

Speculation sucks Yes, this is a tragedy and is horrible, BUT KSL really should stop covering until they have something to cover. The repetitive speculation only causes more problems. The media needs to back out and let the cops do their jobs.

No heart? What's wrong with you people? complaining about your dumb tv show. RELAX, they'll show it again. people are dying and families are worried and all you can talk about is your tv show?
And why do you brag about carrying around a gun? That's kinda contributing to the problem. If it weren't for guns in the hands of anyone but authority figures, we wouldn't have a situation tonight. And the other people wouldn't have missed the tv show! Seriously people.

Tear up the Constitution!!! @Moon River - As you and I exercise our 1st amendment right of Freedom of Speech, PLEASE keep in mind that there are other rights secured by the US Constitution including the right of citizens (not just the "authority figures") to keep and BEAR arms. (2nd amendment) Our founding fathers specifically included that right to ensure that the citizens of this great country could and would be able to defend themselves from a corrupt government. Every dictatorship in history has taken arms away from the citizens as one of the first steps in securing power. Please let us NOT go down that path...

If you take the weapons away from law-abiding citizens, then only the criminals will have them. Every country in the world that has outlawed private ownership of firearms has had a corresponding increase in violent crime. You figure it out...

@Aceohearts - i'm well aware of the amendments, thank you. but how do these people get guns in the first place? think about it...they're citizens too...i just think there should be more control on who should have a gun and for what purposes, etc. i re-read what i wrote and i can understand how you can mis-take it. i personally hate guns, and i have the right to think the way i do. if these people tonight didn't have guns available to them, whether by a more secure process or whatnot, innocent people would still be alive. if my father had not been able to obtain a gun, he would still be alive today. so many people have been struck w/ tradegy because of them. i just hate that anyone can just buy a gun.

@Moon River - There isn't a place in the world, including high security prisons, where people aren't shot and killed. You CAN'T seriously expect the problem to go away if they can't even solve it in countries with strict laws and strict police...or even in high security prisons.

I don't want to live in a high security prison (and still get shot anyway) so why much up our country and ourlaws so you can get a false sense of security?

Outlawing guns only benfits the outlaws @Moon River - If guns are outlawed than only outlaws will have guns. Lets see, this guy is an outlaw so he will still have his gun so......the idiot still shoots at people. outlaw all the firearms you want only law abiding citizens suffer in that scenario. once an idiot always an idiot you can't legislate people into being decent human beings. No law, be it with respect to firearms, or not can make anybody obey it just because it is written. it is already illegal to shoot people so how do you propose a law that absolutely guarantees all guns will be turned in by idiots that don't obey these laws to begin with.

Gezzzzzzzz @Moon River - Hey THINK for a minute. Criminals would still have the guns i they Chose.

Guns save lives @Moon River - If it weren't for our 2nd amendment right. The shooter would still have been gunning down innocent people instead of being put down by a good Samaratin with a concealed weapons permit.

@ElWumpus - It was an off duty Ogden police officer that gunned him down, not a a citizen with a gun permit.....

moon river @Moon River - moon you need to wake up ...just how would you keep outlaws from carring guns there is always going to be a way for criminals to get a gunthen that would leave the ones that want to defend ourselfs from nut cases helpless...if only authority figures were allowed to carry a fireare the off duty cop probably wouldnt have been packing and possibly dozens more ppl would have died tonight

Concealed Weapons Permits @Moon River - What makes you think wackos like this guy legally purchase or obtain weapons? Do you think this person had a concealed weapons permit? I doubt it. More often than not, shooters have stolen weapons. I'm glad we have a right to bear arms. I don't think anyone should brag about it. But it is nice to be able to defend yourself, your family, or innocent people. I can't believe anyone is posting about missing a freakin network TV show. And for people talking about other cities-yeah, we know it happens and it is unfortunate. Maybe that's why we choose to live here-we hope it won't happen. There are a lot of transplanted Californians in Utah, and for reasons like LA..........

Hey Moon what if a cwp holder saved your life one day? @Stephen R. - Before you start off on your gun control preaching. Think about if it happened and you were there and I was there too and I shot the retard just as he pointed the shotgun at you I bet you wouldn't want to take away my gun. or if the next school shooting ends because of a teacher carrying a concealed weapon would you take away that gun too?

Grr The coverage is the worst! The reporter won't stop talking in circles. It's an insult to my intelligence to watch. Please save the coverage for when you have actual information.

Heroes Put Heroes on or tell us it will be on later! This is not news, it is repeat over and over and over again, if you have some new information play it. If not let us watch our show, if people want to watch it 24/7 then they can watch another network.

Thank you Finally, we have something that qualifies as breaking news. KSL, this is breaking news. Why have we been watching 20 minutes of "looking for a second suspect" when there isn't one?

I work at Trolly Square Mall I work at Trolley Square Mall, I have coworkers who are there and I am conserned for their safety. I think that all of you people that are missing you TV shows, need to understand that people are Dead. And all you are conserned about your tv shows. Be glad that you were not there and shot to death.

I think that you should all be greatfull that you are alive and can still watch you tv shows later

The Dead @Rolynos - Has anybody really died besides the loser who started this tragedy? I hope not. The news is saying that they are all in area hospitals but nobody has died. So what's what? I am hoping nobody dies from this incident.

There are 5 confirmed dead, @Rem - 6 if you count the shooter, which is tempting to not do.... Also 4-5 in the hospital 3 of which are in critical condition

1 shooter dead Wd : It was a tan trench coat. They just said the suspect is dead.

Heros Thanks for ruining Heros for us you morons. Yeah, thats smart, lets cover a story that we have no information about by cancelling the showing of our best show. Lets repeat over and over again the same nothingness we have. How about interrupt the commercials instead, oh yeah, that would cost you money....At least Fox 13 understood and made sure 24 rolled anyways with a message on top about the story. Good thinking there, not!!!

fox 13 @broncosmo - fox 13 interupted '24' several times and then went right to commercials. they announced that '24' will be seen in its entirety tomorrow online.

Really @mtmc5 - I seemed to be able to watch most of 24 with very brief interruptions and a promise to show it all the way through as well.

NRA "And the National Rifle Association says that, 'Guns don't kill people, people do,' but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps...just standing there going, 'BANG!' That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that happen...'" Eddie Izzard, Comedian

Yes, it does help @BlaineFabin - Such as when an off duty officer happens to have his gun with him and STOPS the murderer from killing even more.

Guns in the hands of the law abiding preserve innocent life and are a threat only to crimnals.

Criminals, are criminals and will violate whatever laws you might pass anyway.

Heros Thanks for deleting my other post, yeah, dont let people say that this station made a very bad decision by interuptting programing for 1 1/2 hours.

Friends and Family I have friends there that I have not been able to get in touch with. I keep watching hoping to see that they are okay. Please KSL keep airing this until I know they are okay.

Constituional Right Well once the Constituion is ammended to preclude my right to bear arms you can object to concealing and carrying a firearm. I for one would have loved to have been armed and not merely cowering in some corner waiting to be shot by that lunatic. A half-jacketed hollowpoint is quite a deterent.

ahhh I go to work everyday and I want to come home and relax and forget about this crazy world, why does every channel have to be covering this sad incident. Let us go on.

News People are... different They will do anything to get on the air, including milking a tragedy like this. It has nothing to do with what's right or wrong, or what's a big deal or not, it only has to do with the egos of reporters.

TV addicts Some people are just turning on the t.v. and haven't heard any of the news yet. If you don't want to hear the news anymore, why don't you turn off the t.v. and read a book for the next 20 minutes or something. You can watch your precious shows a little later.

Wheres my Heroes?!? Even if you had someone you loved at the mall, the repetative coverage isn't telling them anything anyway. It's not insensitive to not want to watch it repeatedly. The people who are glued to the T.V. because of this are probably the same people that have to stop to see if they can see any blood or gore during a traffic accident. I want my Heroes!!

... @flosslady - some people actually care about other people that are not their family... not everyone goes for blood and gore! and i would think that you watch heroes every time it comes on, right? maybe you need a life...

@flosslady - I personally care much more about a local story than I ever could care about a TV show.

-_- I acknowledge the need for the public to know something is happening. I hope everyone is okay, and alive above all. However, an hour of vague details explaining the same story over and over again is pointless. I don't mind Deal or No Deal being talked over, because it's one of the worst game shows in all history. However, Heroes is so much better compared. I don't mean to be callous, but no new information of any importance had developed. Will I get to see my Heroes episode without having to become an internet pirate? No. Give me news when you know something don't waste my time with media hype. I apologize again for being so insensate to the gravity of this, but all I look forward to all week to break the monotony is this. I have the utmost sympathy for the persons injured, but I also have no patience for the lackadaisical approach news channels take to these issues. It is all hype and facts a day afterwards.

Get a clue KSL Your station makes its money through its programming not coverage of news getting no where because they are still trying to get more information. You will have more information at 10pm. Stop the insanity.

GO HOME! I hate how media turns these situations into a circus. We have a right to be informed, but people move your asses off the sidewalks, tuck your children into bed and give the response teams some respect and the families some privacy. We are a voyeristic generation raising a sociopathic one. When the dust settles thenyes, I would be very interested in knowing what happened, but I don't care to hear jibberish every 2 minutes just because there is a reporter on the scene.

Wow! I sure hope no children were shot, killed or hurt. There was a shooting in Philly about the same time tonight.

Call me deviant, but... It sure looks like a good time to rob a bank in Salt Lake City, with every police agency involved at Trolley Square. Hope some real bank robbers don't think the same thing....

You forget @Sharppointy1 - All the banks are closed. DUH!!!!

banks in SLC @Sharppointy1 - are all closed by 6:45 p.m.

Enough Already! Okay, how many times can KSL and the other station keep regurgitating the same video information. ENOUGH ALREADY! Breaking news? 2 hours ago maybe...

Ratings and Watching The number of people watching your breaking news is not because we're watching the breaking news. This is the audience of your highly acclaimed, very popular primetime tv show waiting for our show in which we've been promised new twists, a death, and a new hero.

ratings..? @disappointed viewer - I think you have your death... and your heros.... and lots of new twists... so forget about the stupid tv shows and have some compassion for those that are dead.. hurt.. or have family and friends that are... your shows will air again.. some of these victims wont...

Your hero? @disappointed viewer - You've got a new hero you idiot, it's the off-duty officer from Ogden... your pathetic show will air again, you'll survive... five others tonite did not. They will not wake up to see the sunrise tomorrow. You missed "Heroes". Yeah, you can really relate...

No News How many channels have to air the same story??? None of the channels have any more information... The guy is dead, there is no more shooting, the news is not going to update anyone on anything. Everything is speculation. I don't care if anyone's programs are being missed, but I can not stand the lack of news. If you have news then broadcast it, don't create panic. Let the police do their job and stay out of their way. What is wrong with you people. Speculation... They even admitted that they have no more news, they are just prolonging the speculation.

report on something else you keep repeating yourselfs on what you dont know let alone the police sit back and let things unfold then tell us at 10 pm

Thank you Thank you for finally showing Heroes. Please do interrupt the program briefly to tell me any breaking news you may have. I wish you had started it from the beginning.

regular programming NBC has been promoting Deal or no deal and Heroes for a week now and KSL cancels it for redundant news. I am sure the are couple thousand people effected by this tragic event,t here are also an excess of 1 million people that is not.

Eric B. @Eric B. - Are you for real?

regular programming @Eric B. - oh but those million are affected.... other wise they would not be complaining about their tv shows... which i will say are no better than the real life that is happening...

Missed Heroes? Good news for those with internet speeds that can use NBC Rewind. You can watch the most recent episode online at nbc.com as of tomorrow when it becomes available.

Thanks @mwcarlson - I will be watching this tomorrow.

stupid people!!! You Stupid People!!! You would rather watch a TV program then worry about the people in that mall! for all that you know one of your family members of friends are in that mall and all you care about is your dang TV...GET A LIFE!!! I am scared every time something like this happens!!! One of my friends lives so close that she could see what's happening...and thats scares me to death!!! and all of you stupid people care about is heroes or 24 or some other stupid programs that you watch probably every time it comes on. That really makes me think what this world is coming to...

reply to stupid people!! @~aries~ - First of all they don't have a full story.. They don't know the facts. And some of us like to be kept sheltered. Yes there is a real world out there. but we don't need to be bomb bared by it so that all we think about is depressing thoughts. Yes we all know it is scary. But the media need to gather their before repeated the same blast info over and over for an hour and a half.

Bomb bared? @Tiggerific - What do you mean by bomb bared?

Not exactly @~aries~ - You know, if it was one of my family members or friends, I sure hope by everything good in this world that I wouldn't hear it from the news first! If that was one of my family members or friends, I would have heard about it by now, and not from the news.

The new should give us real information when theyhave it. Don't just stubble through facts that you don't even have. Every channel had a different story of how many gunmen there were and how many people were shot. It doesn't make any sense until the facts are out. Don't show 2 hours of empty parking lots until you know what's going on.

I am annoyed You as KSL and other news media do not need to spend an hour and a half repeating what little you know. Gather your facts and then give your views brief summery segmented. I don't watch the news because I don't want here it. But you ruined my evening by not allowing me to watch my normal shows when I have limited free time as it is.

I'm sorry... @Tiggerific - get a life?

the circles The circles are driving my insane i cant help it to yell at my t.v because id rather watch heros then a stupid loop of the same info ide seen 5 min. before that and they showed the same clip with the cops upstairs at least 3 times if you ask me 1 time is sufficent.

I agree... @flosslady - They keep saying the same exact thing and showing the same exact people saying the same exact quotes. I wish I could have seen Heroes, I've been waiting for it all week. They can cut in and tell updates but the same thing over and over and over isn't helping anyone out.

quit whinning! @flosslady - If you are so bored of what is real in life... read a book!

hmmm this could be kennecott's fault.

okay not really. i think it was a gang related shooting, thats my opinion, can't wait to find out what happened!

Keep us informed--We are all affected Thousands of people transit Trolley Square on their way to and from work and school at the University of Utah every day. Thousands right now have friends or family at Trolley Square today. This story has immediate concern for people throughout KSL's viewing area. Please keep us informed.

KTVX STILL ON THE SCENE KSL and KUTV went to regular programming 45 minutes ago. I guess KTVX has no good shows anyway and need the ratings.

Oh my tv shows! What will I ever do? My tv shows are not on. My pathetic life is in shambles because I can't watch a television show of pretend life because my life is so boring.
Ha, they just said that your stupid shows will be on again............IN THE SUMMER DURING RE-RUNS, ha ha ha ha

Just to let you know.................... I shopped at WalMart tonight. All was quiet there.

media coverage It's very scary and sad what happened. I feel for everybody involved. I personally would rather hear news of the events. And not just ramble on for the sake of being on the air. Most people want to know the facts and not assumptions.

Again... You are breaking in again to say you don't know anything... KSL is PATHETIC...

@Mark D. - I am sorry, but breaking in to say you don't know anything is actually quite pointless. I heard what happened and then turn off my tv, checking the internet for further updates. I really don't need to have you drone on unceasingly about what you don't know just so you can have your face and voice on the air.

I realize that what happened tonight was a tragedy and that there are many worried people out there. But did hearing that "We have no new information" really make you feel that much better?

The only problem with breaking news... One problem with breaking news is that other crazy people see what happen and try to make the breaking news also. I personally don't care about the TV shows but the local news should have commented on it for a few minutes and then came back to it when they knew what they were reporting on. I know if I was laying on the stretcher I wouldn't want the whole state to see me. Also if I was one of the witnesses freezing my butt off. I'm sure a few more people flipped out when they saw their child or love one on the news.

Let the emergency crews do their job without 4 news helicopters flying overhead. It isn't even on CNN yet.

IT's on NBC and FOX @phileaglesfan - Hey bud Check MSNBC and FOX news they have both reported it and its on their websites as BREAKING NEWS

Guns If you out law guns...only the out laws will have them!