Pres. Monson travels to Mexico City for temple rededication
November 15th, 2008 @ 10:00pm
By Carole Mikita
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The hate continues to spread like a fire in the hills.
Only married men and women are welcome in the Church.
The pain of rejection by my Church is almost too much to bear.
Maybe I’ll have to become Episcopalian; they love all of God’s children.
The only rejection is of BEHAVIOR.
Do you really think that homosexual conduct is moral? Acceptable to God?
If you do, then it is YOU who has rejected the clear teachings of the LDS Church, NOT the LDS Church that has rejected you.
Grow up and either conform your conduct to the teachings of the Church you claim to care about OR leave that Church in peace and find one more to your liking. But be man enough to admit that YOU are the one who did the rejecting.
God wants us to love one another. Hate is a feeling that does not come from God.
I think GLBT is going about it all wrong. They have rights (civil union) and if they want tax benefits for raising kids then apply for those.
But if GLBT want to "force" people to believe the way they do and think it hatred when the LDS have a differing opinion than I think the GLBT don't know the difference between "hate" and "standards, principles, etc."
I guess the LDS church "hates" every person in the world who smokes, cheats, lies, steals, fornicates, etc. No, the church stand for good productive practices like marriage and good works and loves all people and encourages all people to come unto Christ. Because the church loves the people it wants them to come to make good men better.
Those that recruited you have done quite a number. Come back, come back to your senses.(lol)
Deseret News:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705258856,00.html
Salt Lake Tribune:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10842051
LDS News Network:
http://www.ldsnn.com/?p=1524
http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/publish/article_10031.php
And btw, the articles you sited all say the LDS church made an "in kind" contribution. The definition of "in-kind" is:
An in-kind contribution is a non-cash input which can be given a cash value.
Basicly the LDS church paid for the tickets used by church leaders that were invited to meet with the coalition organizers. Any money that was donated to the campaign was by individuals. And for those who complain that so much was donated by out-of-state organizations or people to the pro-prop 8 group. Look at the records. More money was donated from outside of California by those against prop 8 than by those for it.
I wouldn't go with the direct attacks on the prophet or Rabbi, Pope etc. God has a certain respect for anointed.
You have a small window of hope from those of us still tolerating you're lawless nature towards all things sacred. When you step outside that to attack our Prophet, you've got hell to pay for starting with those of us who still care enough to enlighten you.
I'm not sure what part you're saying is superstitious nonsense. Ignorance is too easy. Challenge yourself to some reality. You're not as enlightened as you think.
To my fellow Americans and human race members,
I am very concerned about the hateful comments about proposition 8 passing on the California ballot in addition to the Arizona and Florida requests for constitional changes. Check out YouTube and Google. The commercials supporting these propositions were false and confusing. The voting populations were not getting the true facts…just scary propaganda. Seriously, how would you feel if your rights were up to public vote? Remember it was not that long ago that Asians, Latinos, Women, Blacks and the Utah Saints were discriminated against because of their marriage choices and civil rights. My rights are not subject to a public vote either, a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority, and the political function of rights is to protect minorities from the oppression by majorities. I would like to think that the LDS understand this more than anyone else given it's tumultuous past with the US government. If nothing else I would like it if you, your church and your conscience would understand that this is not a moral issue as the church keeps claiming it to be. Proposition 8 and Gay Marriage in general is very much a political issue since we homosexuals are not seeking "religious" marriage, we are seeking government sanctioned marriage rather, a legally recognized contract between two consenting adults that permits us to have the equal rights and benefits of our heterosexual counterparts. To say that this a moral issue is a delusional excuse to fund and rally supporters to a political cause that believes in consigning homosexuals to second class citizenship. As a second class citizen I pay my share of taxes that the church benefits from every time they need the fire department, the police, the hospital, the schools, the roads, etc... For a church to become involved in this way is unethical, and LDS using the freedom of speech and press as a defense for a political agenda should have their tax exempt status called into question. I think the LDS church and it’s members forget why Joseph Smith Jr. was shot on 27 June 1844 in Carthage Jail Illinois for practicing and promoting plural marriage, a turning point for the Latter Day Saint movement, and his followers were flushed out of the Midwest, perhaps one day they will show empathy for those who are seeking equality as they did so many years ago. Given that I contribute to society as equally as my fellow straight brothers and sisters I feel it is my American right to have my marriage equally recognized by the US government and I trust that in my lifetime I will see our country fueled by something greater than hate and fear. I am not a pedophile, I am not a necrophile, I am not a zoophile, I am not a rapist or mentally insane and my relationship with a consenting adult is not and cannot be comparable as such. As I trust that you all did not choose your sexual preference, neither did I. I was born Gay and given the scientific research; approximately 10% of the human race is genetically homosexual. This is NOT a life choice or a life style as some state. I did not choose to this sexual persuasion. This is a civil rights issue, and I plead with you to join me and saying no to this form of prejudice. Stop this hatred....it has gone too far. I believe in "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness"! I trust as an American and a human race member, you will protect my rights as I have fought to protect yours. Please assist me in protecting my rights my fellow brothers and sisters. The US constitution was not implemented for moral dictating. Enjoy your views, enjoy your beliefs, trust in your God and if you follow the Bible…remember its religious teachings…"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40)
From the THE BOOK OF MORONI CHAPTER 7 Verse 18 “And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.”
LDS means Legislating Discrimination Stinks! Please open you minds and hearts…there are bigger battles to fight!
Books were left out of the bible, things were left out. Blah Blah Blah. Before you knock the book of Mormon perhaps you should go thank the jews that you even have a roughly translated, partial record of new testament times and old testament times.
Anyone who believes in a religious book/bible that was transalted by man, are nothing more than religious nuts with a fear of dieing and not making it to "heaven"
But most of all , that Book of Mormon only came into the picture 200 years ago! Its a bogus, fictional book created by Smith to scare you mormons into joining his clan. The Bible however has been around for yeeaaarrrsss! Heck, you mormons cant even keep track of your own Golden Plates! Ha! (not that they exisist)
Your argument is weak. If you're going to not belief in something, at least express a valid reason for it, not this stupid "it's only been around a little while."
The Book of Mormon is false and made up. None of it holds up to the scientific versions of life on this earth.
Go ahead and believe your fairy tale. Its well thought up!
Instead it looks like you just lash out against the Book or Mormon as soon as you see it mentioned or referenced in any way. That's really pathetic, sorry.
:S
Try not to use our religious yardstick to measure our beliefs because you have no acceptance or respect for Deity.
BTW, I think continually slamming someone with "you're wrong and ignorant" leans closer to "shove your belief down everyone's throats."
Just being objective.
Your roots definitly needs watering for you are showing your undergrowth is not in healthy soil.
Of course the Episcopalian loves everybody, but the truth is as long as they condon the sin and rake in the dough who cares if God's children are loved, but not taught his words as long as they can talk themselves into justifying their sin.
What is next Will O according Whoopi from the view she feels everyone has the right to marry to whom ever, so when is it going to stop after or before the goat and the man want to change vows.
Albert Einstein
"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Amos Bronson Alcott
"Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of inert facts."
Henry B. Adams
"Blessed is the man who, having nothing to stay, abstains from giving us worthy evidence of the fact."
George Eliot
The headline should have read, Run, Monson, Run!
I suppose they mean the "traditional" marriage of one man and one woman.
But through most of human history and in most cultures the most widely accepted tradition of marriage has been polygamy -- one man and multiple women. We're not just talking about exotic island cultures or lost tribes in the African jungle. Polygamy is the family form most often mentioned in the first five books of the Old Testament.
In some societies, traditional marriage meant one woman wedded to several men. In others, a woman could take another woman as a "female husband." In China and the Sudan, when two sets of parents wanted to forge closer family ties and no live spouse was available, one set sometimes married off a child to the "ghost" of a dead son or daughter of the other family. Among the Bella Coola and Kwakiutl native societies of the Pacific Northwest, two families who wished to become in-laws but didn't have two sets of marriageable children available for a match might even draw up a marriage contract between a son or daughter and a dog belonging to the desired in-laws. Most traditional marriages were concerned with property and wealth, not love or sex.
But what about the sanctity of marriage in the Christian tradition? It is true that Jesus, contradicting Moses, forbade his followers to divorce. But Jesus was not very keen on having them marry in the first place, holding that it was better to abandon worldly ties and dedicate oneself to building the faith. "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple" (Luke, 14). The Apostle Paul thought that getting married was better than burning in hell for unmarried fornication, but that the truly good thing was to remain a virgin and devote oneself to spreading God's word.
For the first 16 centuries of its existence, the Catholic Church held that marriage was inherently tainted by what Pope Gregory the Great deemed the degrading "carnal pleasure" that took place under its auspices. In the church's hierarchy of worthy females, the virgin ranked highest, the widow second and the wife a distant third.
Nor did the early church establish elaborate rules about what made a marriage legitimate. One pope proposed that a marriage ought to take place in church to be valid. But his bishops pointed out that such a change would immediately render most of Europe's children illegitimate. So the church decided that a man and woman were married if they had exchanged "words of consent," even if they had done so out by the haystack, without any witnesses or involvement by a priest.
Not until 1215 did the Catholic Church make marriage a sacrament, and not until 1563 did it begin to enforce rules mandating that certain ceremonies had to be performed to make a marriage legitimate.
Sixteenth-century Protestant reformers had a much more positive attitude toward the blessedness of marriage than Catholics. But Protestant clerics were stricter than Catholics in enforcing the tradition that marriage should be governed by considerations of patriarchal authority and property rather than free choice based on love. In many Protestant regions, authorities forbade impoverished individuals from marrying at all. And Protestant officials often stepped in to dissolve marriages that had been made without parental consent, even if both parties were adult and children had already been born to their union.
It is also not "traditional" to insist that the state should have the final say over what constitutes a valid marriage. In the Roman tradition, which served as the basis for Western European law, the only difference between marriage and unmarried cohabitation was if the partners thought of themselves as married. It wasn't until 1754 that the English state required a license for a marriage to be valid. And even after that, "self-marriage" and "self-divorce" remained commonplace, especially in the early decades of the United States. In 1833, Pennsylvania's chief justice warned that a strict legal interpretation of rules governing marriage validity would render "the vast majority" of births in that state illegitimate.
Most of the "traditions" we associate with marriage are in fact comparatively new. It was only two centuries ago that people began to marry for love rather than for mercenary or practical considerations. Only 130 years ago did men start to lose their legal right to physically beat or imprison their wives. And only in the past 40 years have we established the principle that within a marriage wives and husbands have equal rights in decision-making.
Not until 1979 did the last American state finally repeal its "Head and Master" law, which had given husbands the final say over many aspects of family life. Not until 1993 did marital rape become a crime in every state, overturning the millennia-old tradition that a wife was obligated to have sex with her husband whenever he demanded it.
Many departures from "traditional" marriage have been for the good. But the same changes that have made marriages fairer and potentially more rewarding for both partners have made marriage more optional, requiring partners to negotiate more than in the past. The multiplication of new options, combined with the rapidity of changes in gender roles and social values has had destabilizing and sometimes troubling results for the organization of interpersonal obligations. Trying to revert to antiquated and unfair traditions is not the answer. We need to figure out how to build on the opportunities and minimize the risks associated with the ongoing modernization of marriage. It helps no one to wage futile culture wars to return to a tradition that wasn't half as clear-cut or advantageous as many people believe.
just like a black president..
WOOOHOO
Rededication is reaffirming, especially after major renovations.
If you get Deseret News' Church News few weeks ago, there are photos of reasons for major renovation. Extensive enhancement, including works from the local artists.
We dont segregate the homosexuals. They are free as a bird and enjoy thier marriage rights in Canada.
This is Utah
Life Behind the Zion Curtain
As Ronald Reagan once sad in West German
As I am saying now LDS tear down this Wall!!
They are not allowed to do most anything because its against god, yet they can be racist and treat dark skinned people as less because thier false prophet Joseph Smith told them to.
No where in the holy Bible does it state dark skinned men are cursed until they find god.
We are all equal and until you see that you are living a lie. Blind faith is also ignorance
If someone doesnt believe in the same thing as others, than why would they even care about being exlcuded.
Why are dark skinned mexicans any different if they practice the same worship as you. They are in thier homeland? no?
2nd he was a muderer! He kill a guy and robbed him i really dont think are god would say he was a prophet! and 3rd read the bible frist not the book of mormon,You'll know the real meaning what gods wants us do do with are lifes. ..
Smith is a FALSE Prophet! Dont you think if God was on his side and spoke with him through golden plates (which by the way, CANT BE FOUND) That God would have prevented his death at such a young age, or at least give him a heads up through those precious Sacred Gold Plates (which for some reason cant be produced)
Think about it Mr Brainwashed Sheep!
Answer this: Where are the gold plates? you know the precious sacred plates that are the main link between God and man. I know if I had those powerful plates, I would not let them out of my sight!!
Now, I know I will never recieve an answer as to where they are, since none of you have the answer. Same thing goes for Kolob, nobody can tell me where Kolob is. Why, becuase they dont exist!
So why don't you ask God where they are now? Maybe he'll tell you, who knows?
By the way, Joseph Smith was given permission from God to show the gold plates to three witnesses and then 8 witnesses. Each of those 11 men stood by his testimony that the gold plates were real and from God until the day he died, even though some of them had left the church. At least one of them even had his testimony engraved on his gravestone.
The things you are saying about LDS doctrine are false and ridiculous. I hope that the people on this board will see that and recognize that you do not speak for the LDS church and do not accurately portray its doctrines in any way.
follow the Bible…remember its religious teachings…"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40)
From the THE BOOK OF MORONI CHAPTER 7 Verse 18 “And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.”
LDS means Legislating Discrimination Stinks! Please open you minds and hearts…there are bigger battles to fight!
I pity you people.
I don't know why he would want to go down there in person though. Its pretty dangerious there.
Heck they murder gay people there and get away with it!
I guess we all have our chruch jobs.
Words you use about your so-called brothers and sisters:
"You people"
"I pity you"
"garbage-spouting individual" - Yourself included.
"get a life" - nobody has a life but you, right?
"If I honestly found something so much wrong with I would_________________" add your self-righteous point here.
What's up with the "basement" thing? Some KSL addicts actually post from the comfort of their multi-million dollars homes up on the benches.
I could say I pity you, but then, heck, I'd sound like an idiot.
Good day.
"I'm Barack Obumma and I approve this message!"
What made you want to post, the devil? or God himself?
I am very concerned about the hateful comments about proposition 8 passing on the California ballot in addition to the Arizona and Florida requests for constitional changes. Check out YouTube and Google. The commercials supporting these propositions were false and confusing. The voting populations were not getting the true facts…just scary propaganda. Seriously, how would you feel if your rights were up to public vote? Remember it was not that long ago that Asians, Latinos, Women, Blacks and the Utah Saints were discriminated against because of their marriage choices and civil rights. My rights are not subject to a public vote either, a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority, and the political function of rights is to protect minorities from the oppression by majorities. I would like to think that the LDS understand this more than anyone else given it's tumultuous past with the US government. If nothing else I would like it if you, your church and your conscience would understand that this is not a moral issue as the church keeps claiming it to be. Proposition 8 and Gay Marriage in general is very much a political issue since we homosexuals are not seeking "religious" marriage, we are seeking government sanctioned marriage rather, a legally recognized contract between two consenting adults that permits us to have the equal rights and benefits of our heterosexual counterparts. To say that this a moral issue is a delusional excuse to fund and rally supporters to a political cause that believes in consigning homosexuals to second class citizenship. As a second class citizen I pay my share of taxes that the church benefits from every time they need the fire department, the police, the hospital, the schools, the roads, etc... For a church to become involved in this way is unethical, and LDS using the freedom of speech and press as a defense for a political agenda should have their tax exempt status called into question. I think the LDS church and it’s members forget why Joseph Smith Jr. was shot on 27 June 1844 in Carthage Jail Illinois for practicing and promoting plural marriage, a turning point for the Latter Day Saint movement, and his followers were flushed out of the Midwest, perhaps one day they will show empathy for those who are seeking equality as they did so many years ago. Given that I contribute to society as equally as my fellow straight brothers and sisters I feel it is my American right to have my marriage equally recognized by the US government and I trust that in my lifetime I will see our country fueled by something greater than hate and fear. I am not a pedophile, I am not a necrophile, I am not a zoophile, I am not a rapist or mentally insane and my relationship with a consenting adult is not and cannot be comparable as such. As I trust that you all did not choose your sexual preference, neither did I. I was born Gay and given the scientific research; approximately 10% of the human race is genetically homosexual. This is NOT a life choice or a life style as some state. I did not choose to this sexual persuasion. This is a civil rights issue, and I plead with you to join me and saying no to this form of prejudice. Stop this hatred....it has gone too far. I believe in "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness"! I trust as an American and a human race member, you will protect my rights as I have fought to protect yours. Please assist me in protecting my rights my fellow brothers and sisters. The US constitution was not implemented for moral dictating. Enjoy your views, enjoy your beliefs, trust in your God and if you follow the Bible…remember its religious teachings…"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40)
From the THE BOOK OF MORONI CHAPTER 7 Verse 18 “And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.”
LDS means Legislating Discrimination Stinks! Please open you minds and hearts…there are bigger battles to fight!
Very eloquent but I see a few things that challenge your assertions:
1. Precedent - if same-gender marriage becomes legal, you create a precedent for other types of marriages as well, namely:
Wo/man to pet marriages. Yes. There are people who want this as well, despite the pet's inability to say "I Do!"
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpJib3dct0
2. Society - In order to have gay marriage as a "normal" thing as gays want it to be, there has to be a general consensus in society in general and acceptance. At this time, the majority of society does not see same gender as normal and acceptable, therefore the vote for PROP 8. The majority spoke. The majority won. Now, you do have a point as far as how influenced that YES vote was and I won't argue that because it's a controversial issue. Should Churches influence their members to vote on what the Church or the Gospel preaches? Should churches raise money and mobilize their members to influence the vote in another state where these churches have members also?
3. Moral Agency - Mormonism clearly preaches that people have "moral agency" to choose whatever they want for themselves. I suppose that this means unconditional ability to choose, based on D&C 101: 78 where it reads: "Every man may act according to the moral agency which I have given unto him..."
This implies that EVERY MAN and woman, of course, has moral agency. Notice the word moral. Not political agency. Not free agency. But moral agency. If I read this right, I would assume that gays can choose to do whatever they want but you know what, so can everyone else. However, just because people can do whatever they want, that doesn't mean it's an "everything goes" deal. For example, my car can go 180 MPH. I can go 180MPH. Problem is that my freedom to do so endangers the welfare of others sharing the same road. So the law has to slow people down to 65 MPH or else...tragedy happens. The point is, while you have your moral agency to make choices, you cannot make choices that affect other people sharing the world with you. Hence the conflict. The laws of the land prevent people from NOT having consequences for the choices they make. You want to change that law and that law is subject to vote and the vote wins. So you're in a bad position because you're subject to the law even though you're morally free to act.
4. Possible Solution For You - Form your own big, non-profit Church. Make it significant as in "millions" of members worldwide. Hire some powerful attorneys, etc. then go head-to-head with your state to influence vote. If you win the game, you win. Otherwise, you will always be subject to the "moral majority" and it's a no-win for you.
5. The "teach kids same sex marriage" in schools is B.S. to me. That's not going to happen as a rule but I am sure there have been exceptions, whether the law is in place or not. Scare tactic at best.
6. Gay people were made by the same GOD. True. So were evil heteros out there from world dictators to serial killers. So were people who are born with both genders in their bodies. So were people with evil tendencies, pornographers, porn addicts, blasphemers, fornicators and all sorts of evil people. The deal is that most of them were born "innocent" and later in life became corrupted. The corruption is what God's against and that's why in the last day - LAST DAY NO TODAY - the just will abide with God and the unjust will not enjoy HIS presence. What side of the fence do you want to be on when the Judgment Day happens? If the judgment day is a myth, then, there is nothing to worry about, carry on as you please.
As for the Book Of Mormon verse that you quoted, I must ask: How do you know when a judgment is not wrongful? When it agrees with you?
However, I will tell you what eats me. When we had a proposition to end the illegal immigration fiasco, the Church had a say in it too and it p* me off. All of a sudden, we were dealing with "children of God" "Human beings", "hard-working people" etc. Many of whom are also having serious moral issues with missions, temple recommends, invalid marriages, fraud, theft, abuse, etc. etc. a big list. Yet, the legislation was influence to "measure twice before you cut" on these moral and legal issues. You, on the other hand got a "no measure, just cut" deal. In that sense, I feel bad for you. So obviously, there is something wrong with the whole system where one groups gets hammered and another gets a level of protectionism and compassion.
That makes me assume that, in some people's views, gays are worse than illegal immigrants, mainly because of unacceptable sexual activity and choices.
Finally, all the rallying and bashing the Church via blogs etc. won't get you anywhere. You need to focus on becoming strength yourselves instead of bashing the established strength of others. Or, just give up the whole same-gender marriage cause and move to Connecticut. You can get married there with no hassles and there are many churches there who welcome practicing gays with open arms.
My personal view? Well, I think that Christ’s admonition is to love one another. If you're not a criminal actively hurting my family, my business, my livelihood, my job, my benefits, my faith, my religion, my life, I am supposed to love you regardless of what you do in your bedroom or whom you marry. I could careless if your wife has more hair on her chest than you, really. I have no idea if you're gay because of choice, genetics, brain-wiring, the Devil, your role in the pre-existence, your part in the Plan of Salvation here - gotta have opposition in all things -
or whatever. So I can't judge you. I shouldn't judge you. But if your actions affect my family, then yes, I'd have to do some butt kicking just the same as you would. Problem is, you're fighting against a bigger gorilla and it's isn’t the Church only. It's the majority. You should be protesting against the majority and not single out the Church. Or go against the coalition, if you must, whoever they may be.
Life isn't fair, is it?
God bless you, brothers and sisters who happen to be different in your practices. God will be your judge, not me. Keep in mind thought, that for most Mormons, whatever the Church says or does, it's deemed as God's will. So you've got a tough battle ahead of yourself.
That's not characteristic of Mormonism only. Roman Catholics think that whatever the Pope says is also God's will. Muslims have the same deal going with their prophet, and so on. Humans. We are an interesting race. Who is right? Who is wrong?
Who will ever admit to being wrong?
Nobody.
I am amazed at the level to which they stoop. Just when I think I have seen and heard the worst society has to offer, more evil nonsense steps in and corrupts this nation.
President Monson, you offer hope and an anchor in the sea of evil. You are a lifesaver!
Sadly, fueled by misinformation, distortions and lies, millions of voters went to the polls and said YES to bigotry, YES to discrimination, YES to second-class status for same-sex couples.
Thousands of people have poured their talents, their time, their resources and their hearts into this struggle for freedom and this fight to have their relationships treated equally. Much has been sacrificed in this struggle.
While we knew the odds for success were not with us, we believed Californians could be the first in the nation to defeat the injustice of discriminatory measures like Proposition 8.
And while victory is not ours this day, we know that because of the work done here; freedom, fairness and equality will be ours someday. Just look at far we have come in a few decades.
Up until 1974 same-sex intimacy was a crime in California. There wasn’t single law recognizing the relationships of same-sex couples until 1984 — passed by the Berkeley School District. San Francisco did not pass domestic-partner protections until 1990, the state of California following in 2005. And in 2000, Proposition 22 passed with a 23% majority.
Today, we fought to retain our right to marry and millions of Californians stood with us. Over the course of this campaign everyday Californians and their friends, neighbors and families built a civil rights campaign unequalled in California history.
You raised more money than anyone believed possible for an LGBT civil rights campaign.
You reached out to family and friends in record numbers—helping hundreds of thousands of Californians understand what the LGBT civil rights struggle is really about.
You built the largest grassroots and volunteer network that has ever been built – a coalition that will continue to fight until all people are equal.
And you made the case to the people of California and to the rest of the world that discrimination — in any form — is unfair and wrong.
We are humbled by the courage, dignity and commitment displayed by all who fought this historic battle.
Victory was not ours today. But the struggle for equality is not over.
Homosexuals want additional rights given to them to be able to marry the same sex. So it’s not really about equal rights at all, it’s about additional rights.
“Equal” just makes the homosexuals sound like they are being unfairly treated when in reality they are being equally treated but want to be treated special.
So if we grant this protected treatment for homosexuals sexual preference how do we justify restricting others sexual preferences? I only speaking of those that are between consenting adults… I guess prostitution, polygamy, bigamy, marring your first cousin, etc., are just too ICKY. LOL
Prop 8 defined what marriage is. If people want to try something different ..... then they need to give it a different name. Same Sex Unions by state law in California are not the same as marriages.
Go to your twisted conscious and then back in time to that bad feeling you had when you first encountered your first homosexual act.
Not the time when it was exhilarating after the fact but after that when you felt you have undoubtedly violated yourself into an animal. That time. Accept that you were wrong and then we can be friends again.
My pledge today to:
* Model love and justice, even as I feel anger and pain.
* Show leadership by publicly investing in the well-being of others, including those who do not yet understand our cause;
* Demonstrate my commitment to communities of color and religious communities and issues they care about;
* Help others who have experienced discrimination understand that putting the rights of one minority up for a vote puts everyone's rights at risk; and
* Confront my neighbors with my love - especially my neighbors who come from backgrounds different from mine.
I know that our passion will ultimately prevail. I promise to hold on to it, and to use it wisely.
Open your heart and mind. I fought for your rights, and now I fight for mine.
Where would that leave you? If what I said is true, then the prophet certainly can lead you, and will lead you right.
As far as being saved in the end goes, yes it is Jesus who actually does that. You would be right on that.
You want to talk Prophet, Nostadamus, now he is a real prophet!
Andy you're misguided. You wouldn't know what to do with the truth if it jumped up and bit you.
I hope it is not a recruiting mission
To bring more illegal in to Utah??
Please Help!!!! thanks
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=h2PBTiSOUzO8LwDQFGgI_2bQ_3d_3d
Identify yourself. Friend or Foe. I don't wanna cast my pearls before swines, through my roses under a hippo, etc, etc.
You are super appreciated!