Family of hit-and-run victim angry suspect isn't in jail
August 21st, 2008 @ 5:50pm
By Gene Kennedy
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Not booking this gentleman is not wrong. I'm still not absolutely sure that they've put him behind the wheel when the accident occurred.
If he was, I sure hope he had insurance. If not, he could lose everything he owns.
I further question the legitimacy of the young people involved with the accident. Whereas it has been brought up by the reporter, a young lady should not be expecting when she is only engaged to be married.
If he was, I sure hope he had insurance. If not, he could lose everything he owns.
I further question the legitimacy of the young people involved with the accident. Whereas it has been brought up by the reporter, a young lady should not be expecting when she is only engaged to be married.
@Shaun - The end of your comment was a completely religious point of view just because there engaged does not mean they don’t have sex, I agree with everything else but you should not be pointing out the fact she is expecting, these young adults were hit by a car and out of it 3 lives could have ended.
Also the word gentlemen is reserved for a person that is better then street trash, and this guy is street trash
Also the word gentlemen is reserved for a person that is better then street trash, and this guy is street trash
@5k - how was my comment offensive? wh ever said it was offensive i think you should read it again. i bet shaun was the one who put it there
@5k - I was not the one who pointed out she was expecting. This is something pointed out by the reporter, along with the fact that the two are unmarried.
Anyone should agree that one of the difficult issues facing society today is the breakdown of the family. It is why so many children don't have fathers. It is further why many people rely on welfare. And, actually, none of these facts are of a religious nature.
Do any of you really remember starting out as a young married couple? It's a little more difficult. The costs of living are there, more now then ever. It places a difficult financial hardship on even the most loving of couples, unless you may be financially well-off going into the marriage. Now consider that many couples don't endure any great deal of length in courtships so they are still discovering a great deal of things about a person after the marriage. Now, in addition to everything, through in a newborn conceived in wedlock.
Now can you understand why divorces are always on the increase? Why people around the nation, and especially in this state, seem to live on welfare.
Those who are mature enough to understand can know the importance of placing things in a particular order so their marriage and family have a better foundation.
Anyone should agree that one of the difficult issues facing society today is the breakdown of the family. It is why so many children don't have fathers. It is further why many people rely on welfare. And, actually, none of these facts are of a religious nature.
Do any of you really remember starting out as a young married couple? It's a little more difficult. The costs of living are there, more now then ever. It places a difficult financial hardship on even the most loving of couples, unless you may be financially well-off going into the marriage. Now consider that many couples don't endure any great deal of length in courtships so they are still discovering a great deal of things about a person after the marriage. Now, in addition to everything, through in a newborn conceived in wedlock.
Now can you understand why divorces are always on the increase? Why people around the nation, and especially in this state, seem to live on welfare.
Those who are mature enough to understand can know the importance of placing things in a particular order so their marriage and family have a better foundation.
@Shaun - Well we can both agree that yes they are a little young to be having kids, and yes there should be a order of things that happens first before they have kids but these days more young adults have kids on the way and they have not even thought about marriage.
@5k - You are right, many teenagers and young adults find themselves expecting without the thought of marriage. But that doesn't make it right. Maybe it's because there isn't enough shame in making such choices.
It's shocking that so many people in today's society think that it's okay that two young people are expecting and aren't married. It's a strong indication of the consideration of the commitment to marriage and to having a child.
It's shocking that so many people in today's society think that it's okay that two young people are expecting and aren't married. It's a strong indication of the consideration of the commitment to marriage and to having a child.
@Shaun - Atleast they are smart enough to test drive each other and make sure each others parts are working.
Dude seriously haven't you heard or read of marriage that has ended cause the couple married in the temple, waited to have sex after marriage then learned after marriage some ones parts can't rock the other persons baby factory or the baby factory is broken busted doesn't work???
Dude seriously haven't you heard or read of marriage that has ended cause the couple married in the temple, waited to have sex after marriage then learned after marriage some ones parts can't rock the other persons baby factory or the baby factory is broken busted doesn't work???
@So Happy I Hope Everyone Is Happy - Hey "dude". Seriously, read the post below where the brother states that neither have insurance.
Maybe before you test drive, you get a license and some insurance -- and by all means, make sure you can afford the car and all the maintenance and fuel that goes into it.
Oh, and stay in school.
Maybe before you test drive, you get a license and some insurance -- and by all means, make sure you can afford the car and all the maintenance and fuel that goes into it.
Oh, and stay in school.
@Shaun - Guess again dimwit - Jaime was on his 10-DAY-VACATION from work! They have their own home, have for quite awhile now, oh & a dog too. Let me tell you, they are extremely responsible. They do not like handouts nor do they look for them, if they need help they will ask, but they will try all their resources first.
DO NOT try & make these kids out to be wealfare kids, they have never been there, but if they needed it my heart would pour out to them because I know it would be out of trying all other means out first. It does not take a young parent to be a needy person that happens at any age. Now go away with your hateful attitude, quit judging & realize the realness of the pain that is going here caused by...an ADULT!
DO NOT try & make these kids out to be wealfare kids, they have never been there, but if they needed it my heart would pour out to them because I know it would be out of trying all other means out first. It does not take a young parent to be a needy person that happens at any age. Now go away with your hateful attitude, quit judging & realize the realness of the pain that is going here caused by...an ADULT!
@Mark H. - Calling people names is a sure sign of intelligence or really lack there of. You can agree or disagree with someone's comments, but you should never resort to the calling of names -- it is a sure sign of sheer frustration and lack of an otherwise reasonable explanation.
When it comes to the accident, I don't believe anyone should, of course, be arbitrarily hit while walking along a sidewalk. In this particular case, I've never seen any information published yet that the police have placed Neil behind the wheel. If that is, in fact, and they are never able to positively put him behind the wheel, there may be nothing more that can be done to him. That is neither positive or negative towards you or your children. It is a simple fact, which is what KSL is designed around.
The issue of the pregnancy, which started from the facts reported about your children, has become a story in itself. According to Jaime's brother, posting below, that the kids have no medical insurance. You're now telling us, within your post above, that the two were "trying for this baby." What in the heck are they thinking?! Even having a healthy baby costs a great deal. Add into that a problem within the pregnancy, which is what your now saying will occur, and you've got some serious costs on your hands. This has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. This has absolutely everything in covering the costs and insuring a healthy pregnancy.
Look, take the whole accident out of the mixture. The costs of having a child is huge. The debt is real and without the aid of insurance could, alone, result in them losing their home and anything else of monetary worth they may have. Now you have to, unfortunately, deal with the accident and the fact that the driver, if proven to be at the wheel, may have absolutely nothing himself. So now the two have all those additional expenses, in addition to a child that you say will likely be born with brain damage.
Ironically, you try to make a comparison between these two kids and the "ADULT" that hit them. Maybe the two kids shouldn't be making adult choices like having a baby in wedlock and without insurance.
Do you think that maybe this wasn't the best way to plan out a future for these two kids? Maybe responsible kids would have done things a little different.
I really do hope both of them a speedy recovery. Neither one should be going through the pain they are dealing with right now. I like the picture of them. They look like they could be a really cute couple.
On the other hand, the expenses they're now facing is their own doing. They made they choice to not have insurance, so it will be up to them to cover all these costs. As far as them not asking for handouts, why is your other son, Jaime's brother, posting messages about setting up a fund for donations?
When it comes to the accident, I don't believe anyone should, of course, be arbitrarily hit while walking along a sidewalk. In this particular case, I've never seen any information published yet that the police have placed Neil behind the wheel. If that is, in fact, and they are never able to positively put him behind the wheel, there may be nothing more that can be done to him. That is neither positive or negative towards you or your children. It is a simple fact, which is what KSL is designed around.
The issue of the pregnancy, which started from the facts reported about your children, has become a story in itself. According to Jaime's brother, posting below, that the kids have no medical insurance. You're now telling us, within your post above, that the two were "trying for this baby." What in the heck are they thinking?! Even having a healthy baby costs a great deal. Add into that a problem within the pregnancy, which is what your now saying will occur, and you've got some serious costs on your hands. This has absolutely nothing to do with the accident. This has absolutely everything in covering the costs and insuring a healthy pregnancy.
Look, take the whole accident out of the mixture. The costs of having a child is huge. The debt is real and without the aid of insurance could, alone, result in them losing their home and anything else of monetary worth they may have. Now you have to, unfortunately, deal with the accident and the fact that the driver, if proven to be at the wheel, may have absolutely nothing himself. So now the two have all those additional expenses, in addition to a child that you say will likely be born with brain damage.
Ironically, you try to make a comparison between these two kids and the "ADULT" that hit them. Maybe the two kids shouldn't be making adult choices like having a baby in wedlock and without insurance.
Do you think that maybe this wasn't the best way to plan out a future for these two kids? Maybe responsible kids would have done things a little different.
I really do hope both of them a speedy recovery. Neither one should be going through the pain they are dealing with right now. I like the picture of them. They look like they could be a really cute couple.
On the other hand, the expenses they're now facing is their own doing. They made they choice to not have insurance, so it will be up to them to cover all these costs. As far as them not asking for handouts, why is your other son, Jaime's brother, posting messages about setting up a fund for donations?
@Shaun - You have spotty logic there buddy. You use finances as one of you main points but did you know that there are actually some huge tax benefits to having children out of wedlock? It actually would make it easier financially for her, assuming she had some sort of medical insurance.
As for your breakdown of the family comment, there are not any problems now that weren't around 100 years ago when the family was defined as one white male married to one white female with 6 children. The problems are just more easily detected, reported and more easily identified with new technology. Any crime you can name to me, I can find something similar 100 years ago.
As for your divorces on the rise comment in Utah, it is because horny missionaries that have never gotten to test drive the car before they purchase it marry for only two reasons. One, because they are horny. Two, because she is temple worthy. Women only marry for two reasons. One, because she is horny and two, because he is a return missionary. Everyone that reads this knows at least a dozen couples that were married within 6 months of a young man returning from his mission. I am not judging their values, I am fine with people doing what suits them, but divorce has a lot more with what I believe to be improper courtship times and a rush to be married then it does with building it on a "better foundation" which you clearly allude to being a gospel related one.
As for your breakdown of the family comment, there are not any problems now that weren't around 100 years ago when the family was defined as one white male married to one white female with 6 children. The problems are just more easily detected, reported and more easily identified with new technology. Any crime you can name to me, I can find something similar 100 years ago.
As for your divorces on the rise comment in Utah, it is because horny missionaries that have never gotten to test drive the car before they purchase it marry for only two reasons. One, because they are horny. Two, because she is temple worthy. Women only marry for two reasons. One, because she is horny and two, because he is a return missionary. Everyone that reads this knows at least a dozen couples that were married within 6 months of a young man returning from his mission. I am not judging their values, I am fine with people doing what suits them, but divorce has a lot more with what I believe to be improper courtship times and a rush to be married then it does with building it on a "better foundation" which you clearly allude to being a gospel related one.
@Supernurseboy - You assume far too much.
Having children out of wedlock has nothing to do with religion, it has everything to do with planning a successful marriage.
I would hope no one would actually claim that amount of illegitimate pregnancies has not increased over the last century. It should further not surprise anyone that the divorce rate has also increased.
Do people within Utah, as well as other areas of the nation, get married far too quickly? Maybe. I've never heard the exact statistic for the length of time one dates another person before entering into such a commitment. My guess would be it is far too short of time. Dating is a way of getting to know the other person more before marriage. One dates several people to know several people and their personalities. Then, before the commitment of marriage, one may date another exclusively for what is hopefully a great enough time to know a lot of their personality traits, making sure that a marriage and family can last.
Alas, in today's rush-rush world and disposable society, the media has made it seem okay to be pregnant out of wedlock. Get married, if you want. Hopefully the mother will at least know who the father is. And then, when the financial burdens start up, the bickering and fighting begins. All of a sudden no one is taking care of junior and the family falls apart.
So tell me, what in this would be incorrect? What in this has anything to do with religion? And what parts of this have everything to do with a society making some incredibly stupid and immature choices?
Having children out of wedlock has nothing to do with religion, it has everything to do with planning a successful marriage.
I would hope no one would actually claim that amount of illegitimate pregnancies has not increased over the last century. It should further not surprise anyone that the divorce rate has also increased.
Do people within Utah, as well as other areas of the nation, get married far too quickly? Maybe. I've never heard the exact statistic for the length of time one dates another person before entering into such a commitment. My guess would be it is far too short of time. Dating is a way of getting to know the other person more before marriage. One dates several people to know several people and their personalities. Then, before the commitment of marriage, one may date another exclusively for what is hopefully a great enough time to know a lot of their personality traits, making sure that a marriage and family can last.
Alas, in today's rush-rush world and disposable society, the media has made it seem okay to be pregnant out of wedlock. Get married, if you want. Hopefully the mother will at least know who the father is. And then, when the financial burdens start up, the bickering and fighting begins. All of a sudden no one is taking care of junior and the family falls apart.
So tell me, what in this would be incorrect? What in this has anything to do with religion? And what parts of this have everything to do with a society making some incredibly stupid and immature choices?
@Shaun - Wellcome to 2008...you write " a young lady should not be expecting when she is only engaged.
First comes baby, Then wedding!, No forget wedding it is " 2008 ".
First comes baby, Then wedding!, No forget wedding it is " 2008 ".
@Mischief - As far as I'm aware, the facts I've now listed above continue to be the same regardless of the year.
You are correct though, some in society don't respect the importance of a commitment like marriage or the even larger commitment of having a child.
You are correct though, some in society don't respect the importance of a commitment like marriage or the even larger commitment of having a child.
@Shaun - Does this have to do with them being hit by a car. Stay on subject.
@CorrieP. - If it doesn't have anything to do with the subject, why was it spoke about within the article.
@Shaun - were pointing out how dangerous it was for her. The story has to do with them being hit by a car and the driver not being in jail. It has nothing to do with if they are credible because they do not believe the same way you do. So stick to the subject an get your nose out of the air.
@Shaun - I hope he does lose everything he owns so maybe he can learn a lesson. Obviously four previous DUI's didn't do the trick.
And what about the legitimacy of the young couple? You think they got hit on purpose so that they could get money to support the baby they didn't even know they were having? And might now lose?
I don't think they were plotting to get run over..so I think they are plenty legit.
And what about the legitimacy of the young couple? You think they got hit on purpose so that they could get money to support the baby they didn't even know they were having? And might now lose?
I don't think they were plotting to get run over..so I think they are plenty legit.
@Shaun - The Jack Tard only owns a Meth pipe and barrows his Crack pipe. He has a few sets of old oily clothes, some fake teeth on order and his Horizon Debit card.
So I suggest you hit him up after he buys himself dinner at 7/11 and gets out 5 bucks in cash. Be prepaired for a fight for the 5 bucks. And when you are high you have Crack head strenght.
So I suggest you hit him up after he buys himself dinner at 7/11 and gets out 5 bucks in cash. Be prepaired for a fight for the 5 bucks. And when you are high you have Crack head strenght.
@Robert K. - If what you're saying is correct, these two young individuals are going to owe a lot of money for their medical. Hopefully both have good jobs and full medical coverage. Does anyone know for sure?
If not, they're starting off their family on the wrong foot (no pun intended). They'll have an enormous amount to pay out on both their care and further rehabilitation. Both will have continued care for the pregnancy and hopefully won't have complications. Neither will be back to work for some time, so not only is their costs increasing but there's no income coming in.
This isn't the best way to start off a marriage. They'll have their arms full keeping the collectors at bay.
I really do wish them the best.
If not, they're starting off their family on the wrong foot (no pun intended). They'll have an enormous amount to pay out on both their care and further rehabilitation. Both will have continued care for the pregnancy and hopefully won't have complications. Neither will be back to work for some time, so not only is their costs increasing but there's no income coming in.
This isn't the best way to start off a marriage. They'll have their arms full keeping the collectors at bay.
I really do wish them the best.
@Shaun - According to a post below:
"and on top of it my brother and his fiance have no insurance..."
Now why is that such a surprise? This accident aside, they made the choice to have a baby without insurance. It is by no means just these two. The reason the situation is no surprise is because it happens far too often and society has seemed to accept it.
Anyone else want to bet on the chances of this union? This is why there are so many divorces and unwed mothers.
You know, comments can be "trolled" and hidden, but the reality of what is happening to these two cannot.
"and on top of it my brother and his fiance have no insurance..."
Now why is that such a surprise? This accident aside, they made the choice to have a baby without insurance. It is by no means just these two. The reason the situation is no surprise is because it happens far too often and society has seemed to accept it.
Anyone else want to bet on the chances of this union? This is why there are so many divorces and unwed mothers.
You know, comments can be "trolled" and hidden, but the reality of what is happening to these two cannot.
@Shaun - (coming out of the dark ages)
I'd like to add to your pathetic little comments that maybe your kindness towards this troll should hopefully one day lead you to this guy, he'll probably someway hurt you as well.
When that happens, perhaps we can leave your type of comments on your heartbreak. Hey, let the world judge you because you were innocently walking on a sidewalk - pregnant & hit...
Grow Up & Smell the Coffee! (oh & get lost with your rude comments, nobody likes a troll!)
I'd like to add to your pathetic little comments that maybe your kindness towards this troll should hopefully one day lead you to this guy, he'll probably someway hurt you as well.
When that happens, perhaps we can leave your type of comments on your heartbreak. Hey, let the world judge you because you were innocently walking on a sidewalk - pregnant & hit...
Grow Up & Smell the Coffee! (oh & get lost with your rude comments, nobody likes a troll!)
That is B$! Too bad it didn't happen in SLC, I got taken to jail for a misdemeanor there(not bragging or anything and to be honest, it was the best thing to ever happen to me as it made me finally get my act together.) This piece of scum needs to live behind bars! What a nice looking young couple, who now have to live with all this pain while this piece of filth doesn't! I wish them the best and hope KSL posts a donation site or something for them.
The people that make and pass these laws are DEMONS for sure. No justice for the law abbiding people anymore. LOCK $ LOAD because the criminal has all the rights!
I thought the picture they posted of the couple was kinda funny! Did they have to pick one of them making out. I thought this was a G rated website!
@Mariannerocks - Mariannerocksm you cannot be serious, since when is kissing not G rated? I'd suggest going back to Deseret News for you....
@Knight-Hawk - HOW is kissing not G rated? They kiss in Disney movies all the time. And most kids are watching those. I don't know what the difference is between the Disney Princesses and their prince charmings and this couple. Get a grip.
@paradise_girl - open mouth kisses. He looks like an unexperienced teenage boy practicing on a blowup doll. Gross!
@Knight-Hawk - AMEN! The picture was to show their love, I have no interest in explaining to anyone why I chose that particular one. DFon't like it, leave :)
Thats funny! I wouldn't use the term 'gentleman' for this person at all! A gentleman opens CAR DOORS for people, not HIT them with the CAR! haha anyways, thats awful..hmm lets see heres my list of things we need to stay away from
1. Mountains
2. Cars
I think that covers it for now.. at any rate, hope this guy gets caught
1. Mountains
2. Cars
I think that covers it for now.. at any rate, hope this guy gets caught
A prayer and a wish for the victims. Applause and praise for the police who really did stretch to find this guy after the incident. Merit of patience for the medical staff who treated this idiot in the hospital (I would have arranged an 'accidental' prescription). A tire iron to the nose bridge and left temple of the perpetrator (just the first day; we progress after that). A swift kick in the groin (with metal cleats)to those who have enabled, sheltered and dealt drugs to this vermin; the same to liberal Ivy League, Berkeley, and UofU lawyers who declare "he was such a poor oppressed individual." A cry to heaven I don't start whacking guys like this with my bare hands just to erase their presence.
Neil was HIGH when he DROVE down the BLOCK
And he HIT two young FOLKS on the WALK
But he ISN’T in JAIL
Didn’t EVEN post BAIL
We should THROW this big JERK in the LOCK!
And he HIT two young FOLKS on the WALK
But he ISN’T in JAIL
Didn’t EVEN post BAIL
We should THROW this big JERK in the LOCK!
Not every is a church going person. There are lots of good people out there that are not church going people. Just be cause they are going to have a baby before there married doesn't mean they are bad. At least this guy is taking his taking care of what he helped make with this girl. I have some close friends and family that have ended up having a baby and when they tell the guy about it, leaves. To me that tells me they aren't a real man. Because a real man will not ran his mistakes, or things he makes with some lady he loves. It takes two to make a baby and they need to take their part in it too. What do these guys that leave as soon as they find out their girlfriend is going to have a baby thinking in that head. Some say it isn't my fault that you are going to have a baby. What do they think it is the girls fault it happen. It takes two to make a baby. Women wouldn't have kids if it wasn't for the guys. Women can't do it without men. That picture of them kissig isn't that bad. If it was a picture of them naked and lying on the bed then that would be wrong. But not of them kissing.
@tissue - Your communications skills need a little work -- well, actually a lot of work.
Maybe the problem with your thinking is that it's okay that your friend(s) be in the position of telling their boyfriend(s) they're pregnant.
Maybe the problem with your thinking is that it's okay that your friend(s) be in the position of telling their boyfriend(s) they're pregnant.
@Shaun - KSL keeps censoring me, and not for profanity but content. They must not care for contrary opinions to the localized nutso factor.
Let's try again.
someone needed to get on here and tell you to keep your retarded, moralizing, holier-than-thou mouth shut and stay on topic if you want to play with the big kids.
Guess what, genius? I laugh at the stories you tell in your church houses because they are what you would tell stupid people to keep them in line.
And you clearly bought it.
Yeah, you're sooooo Christ-like with your judgements - you should run for chief jacka-- when this latest chief jacka-- kicks it.
Want to get all superior about my communication skills or spelling?
How about you keep your opinions that are not topically-oriented to yourself, or at least until when you and your RM kissing buddies get together and you can all gloat about what inferior being nonmembers are.
Jacka--.
Let's try again.
someone needed to get on here and tell you to keep your retarded, moralizing, holier-than-thou mouth shut and stay on topic if you want to play with the big kids.
Guess what, genius? I laugh at the stories you tell in your church houses because they are what you would tell stupid people to keep them in line.
And you clearly bought it.
Yeah, you're sooooo Christ-like with your judgements - you should run for chief jacka-- when this latest chief jacka-- kicks it.
Want to get all superior about my communication skills or spelling?
How about you keep your opinions that are not topically-oriented to yourself, or at least until when you and your RM kissing buddies get together and you can all gloat about what inferior being nonmembers are.
Jacka--.
@dubs - I think I can guess as to why your posts have been censored. My guess is that it won't take long to see something similar with this post.
This website is not intended for individuals with only one set of opinions. In fact, I believe the comment side of this site is dedicated to discussing the news and any details thereof. Discussing can sometimes lead to debate, but should never resort to the name-calling or profanity you've just displayed. It is the epitome of one's own frustration and the lack of justifying one's own beliefs.
This young man is barely twenty-two years of age. According to their family, they have absolutely no insurance coverage but have been planning having this child for some time. I would hope most people would not think this the rational path, building the foundation for either a marriage or family.
The choices they've made are leading them into greater debt. With greater debt, there are more opportunities for conflict.
These young people supposedly have a house that I assume they owe a mortgage on. What happens when they can't pay off all this medical debt? Do you think they'll still have this house? It could easily be taken from them in order to pay the increasing medical debt. Do they have vehicles? At least for now they might. They can be taken as well.
By the way, this doesn't have anything to do with any form of religion. This is simply good, common-sense, family planning.
This website is not intended for individuals with only one set of opinions. In fact, I believe the comment side of this site is dedicated to discussing the news and any details thereof. Discussing can sometimes lead to debate, but should never resort to the name-calling or profanity you've just displayed. It is the epitome of one's own frustration and the lack of justifying one's own beliefs.
This young man is barely twenty-two years of age. According to their family, they have absolutely no insurance coverage but have been planning having this child for some time. I would hope most people would not think this the rational path, building the foundation for either a marriage or family.
The choices they've made are leading them into greater debt. With greater debt, there are more opportunities for conflict.
These young people supposedly have a house that I assume they owe a mortgage on. What happens when they can't pay off all this medical debt? Do you think they'll still have this house? It could easily be taken from them in order to pay the increasing medical debt. Do they have vehicles? At least for now they might. They can be taken as well.
By the way, this doesn't have anything to do with any form of religion. This is simply good, common-sense, family planning.
Is KSL attempting to demonstrate how one gets pregnant?
In other news... The jail is still full and won't accept misdemeanors.
In other news... The jail is still full and won't accept misdemeanors.
That is very offensive and my young child saw it and asked if that was a sex kiss. Shame on you KSL for not having better judgement posting a photo. I thought that this was a family orriented website.
@Brick Tamland - take this issue up with the owners of KSL and let them know they aren't family-oriented. They're located downtown and really aren't too hard to find.
@Brick Tamland - ...for not raising your kids better. That they even know that a "sex kiss" exists is definitely a reflection of how you are raising them. God forbid they see something on the news that happens billions of times a day, and maybe....just MAYBE in their own home!
@Brad H. - HOW DARE YOU COME ON HERE AND TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILDREN!
@Brick Tamland - as to bring up your children in an open forum and not expect that someone would reply in reference to them.. I agree with Brad here. If your household is so up tight that they can't deal with seeing a kiss, how do your children know what a "sex kiss" is? Sounds like you have bigger things to worry about than this picture..
@Brad H. - i guess i should have read through. i just basically made the same reply you did. about a day late.
@Brick Tamland - I wouldn't call the photo "very offensive". But I did think it was a little wierd that they chose that one to put on the story! It seemed out of place.
@Brick Tamland - Are my eyes broke? I don't see any tougue in that pic. And where does a young child get the words "sex kiss?"
To me it looked no different then a wedding kiss.
To me it looked no different then a wedding kiss.
@Brick Tamland - shame on you if you find it offensive that your child seen the picture and asked if it was a sex kiss. what are you subjecting your child to? why would your child assume that kiss was a SEX kiss? how would your young child kid even know what one of those was?
I saw the photo and knew I'd get a laugh at the responses. (Although I am sorry for what happened to them)
Makes you wonder what the **** is wrong, when they don’t lock this creep up. What they want him to do RUN over more pedestrians on the sidewalk??
@thats bull - They would have booked him that night and he would already be out due to over crowding at the jail. The jail is so full they only hold violent felonies liek shootings, stabbing etc. The level of charge in this case would have allowed him to be booked, meet with pre tril and released. About a three hour process. NEWS FLASH PEOPLE.....The jail is full, the prison is full. When people get arrested they serve little to no time.
This furstrates Officers on the street, Deputies in the Jail and Correction Officers at the prison. Police make plenty of arrest, but there is no where to house them so many people commite felonies and never see the inside of a prison. They get parole or if it's a misdemeanor they get probation in lieu of jail time.
I have booked people on 1st degree felonies who were released from the jail a few hours latter. 1st degree felony is the same level charge as murder. The jail was too full and the person was "Just a drug dealer from a park"
If KSL really wanted to do an investigative report they should uncover the misconception that the jail and prison alwas have room. They should show how many people are arrested each day and then bounced back out of jail for over crowding. The shoudl show how prosecutors have to throw out or plead down piles of cases simply due to a huge case load from all of teh arrest.
The Jail and prison are revolving doors. All serious criminals know this. If people want change they need to pony up the funding to enlarge the prison, enlarge the jail, hire more deputies for the jail and more correction officers for the prison. It would be expspensive, but currently the legal system is only a band aid on a huge infected gash.
I urge any other officers to post an agreement or disagreemnet with me. I urge all of you to explore the jail booking roosters online and see how many people are arrested each day. Then look to see if they are in jail the next day.
I believe I speak for many in law enforcement who feel as if making an arrest does nothing because they only spend a day or less in jail after an arrest, get convicted and still sereve no time because they get parole.
Police make mountains of arrests, Deputies in the jail work massive amounts of overtimes and constantly fight over who to keep and who to let out so they have room. Correction Officers at the Prison work many hours of ver time and fight with finding room for people who actually get scentanced to prison only to see them let out way way ahead of their scentence.
Trust me the problem is not the Law Enforcement Officers it is a lack of funding for housing and prosectuing criminals.....mark my words, crime will go up and up and up until people start serving a true scentence for their crimes.
There is no reason I should be able to run someone on my computer with five aggravated robbery charges, ot two counts of homicide. People like this shoudl not be on the street, but they are. I run many people on my cmputer who have been arrested so many times taht if they served a max scentance on only half their charges they would be in jail for 300 years!!! That is frustrating to law enforcement because I see people with reords like this all of the time.
I encourage KSL to investigtate this and show people that this is an issue.
This furstrates Officers on the street, Deputies in the Jail and Correction Officers at the prison. Police make plenty of arrest, but there is no where to house them so many people commite felonies and never see the inside of a prison. They get parole or if it's a misdemeanor they get probation in lieu of jail time.
I have booked people on 1st degree felonies who were released from the jail a few hours latter. 1st degree felony is the same level charge as murder. The jail was too full and the person was "Just a drug dealer from a park"
If KSL really wanted to do an investigative report they should uncover the misconception that the jail and prison alwas have room. They should show how many people are arrested each day and then bounced back out of jail for over crowding. The shoudl show how prosecutors have to throw out or plead down piles of cases simply due to a huge case load from all of teh arrest.
The Jail and prison are revolving doors. All serious criminals know this. If people want change they need to pony up the funding to enlarge the prison, enlarge the jail, hire more deputies for the jail and more correction officers for the prison. It would be expspensive, but currently the legal system is only a band aid on a huge infected gash.
I urge any other officers to post an agreement or disagreemnet with me. I urge all of you to explore the jail booking roosters online and see how many people are arrested each day. Then look to see if they are in jail the next day.
I believe I speak for many in law enforcement who feel as if making an arrest does nothing because they only spend a day or less in jail after an arrest, get convicted and still sereve no time because they get parole.
Police make mountains of arrests, Deputies in the jail work massive amounts of overtimes and constantly fight over who to keep and who to let out so they have room. Correction Officers at the Prison work many hours of ver time and fight with finding room for people who actually get scentanced to prison only to see them let out way way ahead of their scentence.
Trust me the problem is not the Law Enforcement Officers it is a lack of funding for housing and prosectuing criminals.....mark my words, crime will go up and up and up until people start serving a true scentence for their crimes.
There is no reason I should be able to run someone on my computer with five aggravated robbery charges, ot two counts of homicide. People like this shoudl not be on the street, but they are. I run many people on my cmputer who have been arrested so many times taht if they served a max scentance on only half their charges they would be in jail for 300 years!!! That is frustrating to law enforcement because I see people with reords like this all of the time.
I encourage KSL to investigtate this and show people that this is an issue.
@Thetruthtold - how many of the people overcrowding our jails and prisons should not be there, but should be locked up in a psych ward? How many of them are in for a petty misdemeanor?
We lock people up who should not be locked up and give a second chance to someone who needs to spend time in prison.
Yes it is an issue! Stop putting people behind bars who would be better suited to spend time in counseling.
We lock people up who should not be locked up and give a second chance to someone who needs to spend time in prison.
Yes it is an issue! Stop putting people behind bars who would be better suited to spend time in counseling.
@No mercy - You are correct that there are many people who get slamm dunked by the system for minor things, then true hard core thugs who truly are a problem for society get slapped if even that. There are a great many people arrested for drugs who could use treatment, but they have to want the change too, not just avoid the jail time. I wish we had more programs.
Oh, you are also correct in regards to the metally ill people. These are some of teh hardest to deal with. Many are too unstable to keep up on meds. There is almost no where for them to go and often times their families can't or won't deal with them. They then become a partial ward of the State and bounce in and out of jail when the really need a mental institute. However, we only have one and it is a temporary thing. There is no long term solution.
So when a paranoid scizophrenic has a mental break down and randomly starts attacking people, the polic ehave to arrest them and leave them at the jail. Once again, the problem is not solved for more than a portion of the day and only for the citizens. For the mentally ill person the problem is never solved.
So, I agree with you 1000% precent. The only problem is there is very little in the way of alternatives.
Oh, you are also correct in regards to the metally ill people. These are some of teh hardest to deal with. Many are too unstable to keep up on meds. There is almost no where for them to go and often times their families can't or won't deal with them. They then become a partial ward of the State and bounce in and out of jail when the really need a mental institute. However, we only have one and it is a temporary thing. There is no long term solution.
So when a paranoid scizophrenic has a mental break down and randomly starts attacking people, the polic ehave to arrest them and leave them at the jail. Once again, the problem is not solved for more than a portion of the day and only for the citizens. For the mentally ill person the problem is never solved.
So, I agree with you 1000% precent. The only problem is there is very little in the way of alternatives.
@Thetruthtold - You bring up a very serious problem and one I have been preaching about for ages.
The solution really should be simple, but is not being done. The prison system absolutely needs to be self-sustaining. The system can not work by placing the cost of housing criminals on the shoulders of the law-abiding taxpayer.
Once you make the inmates work for their upkeep, the system can afford to build and staff new prisons. The justices can then enforce the sentences allowed by the legislators. And once the punishment can go back to fitting the crime, criminals will be less likely to break the law, knowing there is fast and strict punishment awaiting them.
The solution really should be simple, but is not being done. The prison system absolutely needs to be self-sustaining. The system can not work by placing the cost of housing criminals on the shoulders of the law-abiding taxpayer.
Once you make the inmates work for their upkeep, the system can afford to build and staff new prisons. The justices can then enforce the sentences allowed by the legislators. And once the punishment can go back to fitting the crime, criminals will be less likely to break the law, knowing there is fast and strict punishment awaiting them.
@Shaun - If you could make this work it would be great, but I see 1 problem.. Who wants to hire inmates? If the state sets up a "company" for them you have to have customers, and again who wants to buy things from an inmate.. Catch 22.
@Ericksen - You're thinking on just one level, that is one of setting them up as an outside contractor and requiring them to work for people and companies that may hire them. And actually, that does and can work in certain circumstances. That doesn't mean that they only work on the outside of the prison. Although some of the work may be on the outside of the prison, some of it could be contracted work performed still within the confines of the institution. There are a lot of people that wouldn't mind giving these prisoners another chance and the advantage of inexpensive labor is another incitement.
On an additional level, they would be required to perform duties required of the state and government. Simple hard labor required to pay back society.
Chain gangs are now starting to be used, as I understand it, again in southern states. What is wrong with putting them to use up here? It's all required labor and if the labor performed can be attributed to the costs of their incarceration, so much the better.
Again, make the system self-sufficient.
On an additional level, they would be required to perform duties required of the state and government. Simple hard labor required to pay back society.
Chain gangs are now starting to be used, as I understand it, again in southern states. What is wrong with putting them to use up here? It's all required labor and if the labor performed can be attributed to the costs of their incarceration, so much the better.
Again, make the system self-sufficient.
@Shaun - you certainly have been preaching.
How about this: instead of adding to the problem, we use existing laws and simply enforce them? We might have to fine-tune a few, such as the idiot hit-and-run law, but overall tehy are sound.
The problem is too many people in jail/prison because it is a huge business, and generally Americans are too blind to see where this will take uys in the long run. They want to see people punished because something happened and they have become too afraid of the world because of media sensationalism, and are willing to abdicate their responsibility for their own safety to the government in exchange for the illusion of security, through more laws.
I agree with chain gangs - jail should not be pleasant, fun, or easy. It should be a place where societal offenders have the opportunity to learn why their mistakes are wrong, as well as offer them the chance to recify their poor choices. In extreme cases it should be to seperate them from teh rest of society and decent people.
But, still, the problem is big business jails.
Cops: do jails get paid for every inmate in their walls, each day?
Jailers: same question.
And taxpayers pay for them to be there. They have amenities many honest and hardworking people can't afford.
Let's take a clue from Joe Arpaio and make them earn their keep. The recidivism rate at his tent city jail is almost noexistant, and his costs are among the lowest in the nation.
Let's punish, rehabilitate, etc., but let's stop making jails big business.
How about this: instead of adding to the problem, we use existing laws and simply enforce them? We might have to fine-tune a few, such as the idiot hit-and-run law, but overall tehy are sound.
The problem is too many people in jail/prison because it is a huge business, and generally Americans are too blind to see where this will take uys in the long run. They want to see people punished because something happened and they have become too afraid of the world because of media sensationalism, and are willing to abdicate their responsibility for their own safety to the government in exchange for the illusion of security, through more laws.
I agree with chain gangs - jail should not be pleasant, fun, or easy. It should be a place where societal offenders have the opportunity to learn why their mistakes are wrong, as well as offer them the chance to recify their poor choices. In extreme cases it should be to seperate them from teh rest of society and decent people.
But, still, the problem is big business jails.
Cops: do jails get paid for every inmate in their walls, each day?
Jailers: same question.
And taxpayers pay for them to be there. They have amenities many honest and hardworking people can't afford.
Let's take a clue from Joe Arpaio and make them earn their keep. The recidivism rate at his tent city jail is almost noexistant, and his costs are among the lowest in the nation.
Let's punish, rehabilitate, etc., but let's stop making jails big business.
@Shaun - I believe this is a step in the whole reform of the justice system. There are many issues that the public has not been made aware of and would be outraged if they knew.
@Thetruthtold - Thank You, it's so hard to understand, but our laws need some serious changes somewhere
When I come back here and read this web site and see what I presume to be full grown adults making a big deal out of two people kissing and possibly having a baby out of wedlock and completely overlooking the fact that some poor unfortunate soul has been possibly critically injured, it thrills me to no end that I am out of Utah.
Even though this woman does not fit your stereotypical Stepford Wife Mormon profile, she deserves well wishes and prayers and doesn't need your mindless un-christian like criticism. She's not the first to become pregnant before she got married and she won't be the last.
Even though this woman does not fit your stereotypical Stepford Wife Mormon profile, she deserves well wishes and prayers and doesn't need your mindless un-christian like criticism. She's not the first to become pregnant before she got married and she won't be the last.
@Sundog - You write " it thrills me to no end that I am out of Utah "..So why you still hanging around Utah!
@Mischief - Well it is not for a reminder of why I left the state because I will never forget that lesson.
I come back from time to time because I like to show my kids how not to be when they grow up. I want them to be true Christians and not so judgmental (please emphasize the word "mental" when you say that).
But yeah, thanks for asking.
I come back from time to time because I like to show my kids how not to be when they grow up. I want them to be true Christians and not so judgmental (please emphasize the word "mental" when you say that).
But yeah, thanks for asking.
@Sundog - It seems as though you must have had a bad experience with some of the Utah people here, I am truly sorry that you did not get to meet some of us other's.
I guess cause I have found in many State's so many people are judgmental about one thing or another and it is sad. I do hope for you and your kids that you have found a place that they can grow up and be a true Christian and not judgmental..what a way better world this world would be.
I guess cause I have found in many State's so many people are judgmental about one thing or another and it is sad. I do hope for you and your kids that you have found a place that they can grow up and be a true Christian and not judgmental..what a way better world this world would be.
@Sundog - I still live in this wonderfully judgmental state and I am appalled that people are more concerned with the fact that they were not married and expecting a child than they are concerned with the fact that this animal has obviously made it a habit to drive impaired.
Perhaps they would not be so quick to judge if someone from their family had been this drug addicted, drunk, idiot's victim.
Don't get me wrong people..I have no problem with you being messed up, but for everyone's sake...do not put yourself behind the wheel of a vehicle.
Perhaps they would not be so quick to judge if someone from their family had been this drug addicted, drunk, idiot's victim.
Don't get me wrong people..I have no problem with you being messed up, but for everyone's sake...do not put yourself behind the wheel of a vehicle.
sorry folks, as mad as it makes you, just remember this story next time you are asking for a tax break for your 5 plus kids, and just wonder why the criminal court system is not properly funded to keep scum like this locked up where they belong.
troll away, but the truth hurts
troll away, but the truth hurts
I am from California. I moved here 7 years ago and I have noticed how lax the laws are here in Utah. Three people in my husband's family each have had 4-7 DUI's and have never served a day in jail after the initial arrest. Forgery....here in Utah you can have your identity stolen and the person who does it won't serve a day in jail. Simple assault Utah's your place to be....No jail time. Driving on a revoked license numerous times, don't worry in Utah you just get a simple fine and you can drive to the court, they don't care. As much taxes as this state charges you would think they could build more jails and another prison. I feel sorry for for this poor family that this lame moron hurt.
@?7? - I am a cop here and this is the most frustrating part of my job. (see my above post titles "Even if he was booked...) A few posts above. I explain this exact same comment in further detail.
@Thetruthtold - I read your another post too, but I thought they were opening up the oxbow jail, the one down by metro jail!
@?7? - Sounds like your husband's family has a history of alcoholism. Maybe they should get some help.
This is complete incompetence in my opinion. A guy (jacked up on drugs) hits people on a sidewalk and WALK and takes off!
The Mayor needs to fire her police chief.
Mayor JoAnn B Seghini
7890 S Pioneer St
Midvale, Ut 84047
joanns@midvale.com
Police: http://www.midvalepolice.org/feedback.htm
The Mayor needs to fire her police chief.
Mayor JoAnn B Seghini
7890 S Pioneer St
Midvale, Ut 84047
joanns@midvale.com
Police: http://www.midvalepolice.org/feedback.htm
The majority of my husband's family are drug addicted alcoholics and I fully agree they should get help but they never will unfortunately.
@?7? - Here are help you this time,,next time it might be a MEAN person so beware when posting..When you want to reply to that person push the reply button first and it goes to them.
@Mischief - Here "I'll" be the nice person and help you this time.. Your first few words didn't come out so well. :0)
@Ericksen - Ha, I knew a mean person would come around..No your wrong, from where I come from..I only forgot the ","
Here, are help you...:0)
Here, are help you...:0)
@Mischief - From where I come from your sentence makes you sound like an idiot..
Most readers would realize that ?7?'s comment went to the one up above, but you had to be "mean" and make sure that you pointed out her error in connecting it. If you want to point out mean people, look in the mirror, idiot.
My boss always says for every finger you point, 10 more are pointing back at you.. (And there are always 20 pointed at the biggest idiot.)
Most readers would realize that ?7?'s comment went to the one up above, but you had to be "mean" and make sure that you pointed out her error in connecting it. If you want to point out mean people, look in the mirror, idiot.
My boss always says for every finger you point, 10 more are pointing back at you.. (And there are always 20 pointed at the biggest idiot.)
Officers should hand this kind of miscreant a shovel force him dig a hole then shoot him in the back of the skull. This way he has no chance of killing you while drunk and stoned behind the wheel. Driving on the sidewalk while stoned and/or drunk is no big deal, we'll just wait till he kills someone before we take action.
Publish his address lets have a party with pitchforks and torches!
Publish his address lets have a party with pitchforks and torches!
im the brother of one of the victims who got hit, it is so messed up they let the guy go, its beyond all resoning and blows everyones mind, the midvale police said theyre just tryin to get the biggest case possible but why isn't he in booking or anything, it makes no sense what so ever, and on top of it my brother and his fiance have no insurance. we are setting up a trust fund through cyprus credit union to help pay for there injuries.
Neil Lewis,
You look angery. You have nobody to blame, but yourself for that. Nobody cares about anymore, your life was you choice and you made your choises. Now enter the reaper for you action, and we will all watch you burn in hell, you blow it, Looser! you suck! and your suffering is all that you deserve! You Loose.
You look angery. You have nobody to blame, but yourself for that. Nobody cares about anymore, your life was you choice and you made your choises. Now enter the reaper for you action, and we will all watch you burn in hell, you blow it, Looser! you suck! and your suffering is all that you deserve! You Loose.
@Just Real in Utah - The word "loose" is defined as something that is fastened. The word I think you meant to use was "lose" or "loser", defined as not winning.
Generally, if you are trying to call someone a name, which is generally not acceptable behavior on ksl.com, I would do so in a what that does not belittle yourself.
Generally, if you are trying to call someone a name, which is generally not acceptable behavior on ksl.com, I would do so in a what that does not belittle yourself.
Neil,
Also, Know. There are many that you offended, count amoung me among them, that will stand before God at the Last Day and condem you to hell for your actions on this Earth, and we will all enjoy the sufferings you deserve, you completely evil man. That. I, for one will, very much enjoy. Also enjoy the pain that you will only now experiance in your remaining time on this Earth. You are truely less than that Dirt.
Also, Know. There are many that you offended, count amoung me among them, that will stand before God at the Last Day and condem you to hell for your actions on this Earth, and we will all enjoy the sufferings you deserve, you completely evil man. That. I, for one will, very much enjoy. Also enjoy the pain that you will only now experiance in your remaining time on this Earth. You are truely less than that Dirt.
so a hit-and-run is a felony. I have been through this, as well, and the owner of the car said it was done by a friend whose name was an obvious alias, and he didn't know his phone number or address. Yet he let his 'friend' take his uninsured fixer-upper K-10 Blazer, fill it with minor females, [I assume] do a bunch of drugs, and blasat into the back of my car while I was stopped at a stop light. He actually accelerated through me. And took off.
So, in order to keep me from murdering the cowardly scum like the [removed]shown in the picture, change the law to reflect the level of damage these jerks do to unsuspecting bystanders.
So, in order to keep me from murdering the cowardly scum like the [removed]shown in the picture, change the law to reflect the level of damage these jerks do to unsuspecting bystanders.
A PERSON CAN GET BOOKED INTO JAIL FOR HITTING SOMEONE AND LEAVING THE SCENE OF THE CRIME, THAT IS NOT JUST A MISDEMEANOR, RIGHT WHEN YOU LEAVE THE CRIME THAT IS AN AUTOMATIC FELONY, THIS GUY RAN FROM THE SCENE AND TRIED USING HIS DRUG PROBLEMS AS AN EXUSE!!!???? MIDVALE COPS ARE STUPID.
[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
You people that are commmenting on having babies before marriage and pictures of a loving couple kissing are so lame. Are you forgetting what this family is going through??? There are two young adults that are absolutely broken and will need a LOT of time to heal physically AND emotionally. To make the kind of comments you're making, where family members (I am one!) and friends will see is so callous and disrespectful. If you don't like the picture, click to another article. If you don't like the fact that Kari was pregnant with Jaime's child and they're not married, move on with your life. These are not 2 teenagers with nothing going for them. They both have jobs, a home, and were trying to start a family. Then this tragedy happened - and you ignorant, simple-minded people are going to get on here and rant about your own morals? Real Christlike, huh? Reports haven't even began to cover the extent of this couple's injuries so take your judgments somewhere else. These are two of the sweetest young adults I have ever met.
(Aunt) LoyAnn
(Aunt) LoyAnn
@Loyann D. - I hope they'll both have a speedy recovery. Please keep us posted as to their condition.
It's good to know they both have jobs, a home and have been starting a family. It sounds like they've been planning on having a child for some time, according to Jaime's mother. You'll forgive my question then, when I ask, is it true that neither of them had medical insurance as Jamie's brother stated above?
It's good to know they both have jobs, a home and have been starting a family. It sounds like they've been planning on having a child for some time, according to Jaime's mother. You'll forgive my question then, when I ask, is it true that neither of them had medical insurance as Jamie's brother stated above?
I am Kari's mother and first I thank everyone for the sincere heartfelt comments that have been posted and I ask that you keep praying for my daughter and my son-in-law. I will admit I have only had a few moments to glance over them but the power of prayer and true compassion is evident without reading every word. As for the negative i have wasted very little time on these at all. When the phone call came saying that my precious daughter and my wonderful SON-IN-LAW had been in an accident my mind went back 11 years ago when I got a call saying that my 12 year old daughter and 13 year old son had been in a car accident and my sweet, full of life baby was gone, taken by a drunk driver whose company (the almighty dollar) transferred him to another state. I am thankful my son lived, but he has never been the same mentally. Now our family is reliving a horrible pain that never goes away,but our thankful that while we visit Kari without crying because there is nothing we can do for her pain at least she is still with us and she will slowly heal physically, mentally she also will never be the same. But I and the rest of her family will do EVERYTHING in our power that she never hears of or reads the thoughtless words some of you have chosen to write. A piece of paper saying they are married or not, a loving kiss at a very special moment deemed inappropriate by someone who will never mean anything to their family whether or not they were on the sidewalk even though it was obvious they were. These 2 young adults were minding their business walking home to feed their dog and get ready go to go out to dinner to celebrate their birthdays. What were they doing wrong? What gives anyone the right to judge them. I seriously and from the bottom of my heart hope and pray none of you ever come close to the kind of pain Kari, Jaime and all their family and friends are going through and if you ever do I hope that there are more mature and caring people then you, and no one feels they have they right to pass judgement on your child. Once again families on both sides thank everyone for all your prays and concern and loving thoughts. God bless you and yours. Dori Bushnell
@Motherinpain - I want to let you know how much I appreciate your comments and want to make sure I apologize for the way any of these comments may have come across.
I am, as I'm sure you've surmised, a strong believer in the institution of marriage. I am also a strong believer in raising children in a strong household and not one broken down by lack of commitment or forethought of financial responsibility. It really does bother me that Kari and Jaime seem to have been planning on having a child, but have no medical insurance. Could you enlighten us on the subject as to why these two kids made such a choice?
Please understand that this site is used to discuss the news and details of the articles. It is not used to pass judgment on anyone, but rather talk about differing viewpoints.
I would also comment that I like the photo of the two kissing. They really do seem like a cute couple. I sure do hope they continue to recover. Please keep us posted. What is Kari's condition now? It sounds like Jaime is doing a lot better. That is good news.
I know this is off-topic, but Bushnell is a someone unique last name. Any relation to Nolan? Just curios.
I am, as I'm sure you've surmised, a strong believer in the institution of marriage. I am also a strong believer in raising children in a strong household and not one broken down by lack of commitment or forethought of financial responsibility. It really does bother me that Kari and Jaime seem to have been planning on having a child, but have no medical insurance. Could you enlighten us on the subject as to why these two kids made such a choice?
Please understand that this site is used to discuss the news and details of the articles. It is not used to pass judgment on anyone, but rather talk about differing viewpoints.
I would also comment that I like the photo of the two kissing. They really do seem like a cute couple. I sure do hope they continue to recover. Please keep us posted. What is Kari's condition now? It sounds like Jaime is doing a lot better. That is good news.
I know this is off-topic, but Bushnell is a someone unique last name. Any relation to Nolan? Just curios.
I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing this to you, but every time you write something it starts out so sincere and then right behind it, here comes the knife. Whether or not these young adults, not kids, have insurance is not anything YOU need to worry about and your views on the institution of a piece of paper stating that 2 people are married are unnecessary on this comment board. You are missing the point - we are angry that this has happened to two special and extremely sweet people who were working hard to make a beautiful life when tragedy struck. I, like Kari's mom, am going to overlook comments on this board such as the ones that are from you that go off track into your speeches on responsibility and morality and just try to focus on the positive, REAL sincere comments. Oh, and in closing, thank you for reminding me why I am not a benchsitter for 3 hours on Sunday and why a lot of other people aren't either. You're hypocrites! Try being sincere and leaving it at that. Or is that just too impossible for you?
All the best to Jaime, Kari and their families and friends. We're all praying for you! Stay Strong!!!
Love, (Aunt) LoyAnn
All the best to Jaime, Kari and their families and friends. We're all praying for you! Stay Strong!!!
Love, (Aunt) LoyAnn
@Loyann D. - I sure the anger and defensiveness you are communicating has a lot to do with the circumstances. You are very upset and concerned with your family members, which is very understandable. I would be too. I would hope Kari and Jaime are doing a lot better and they are, at the very least, able to get around a little more. If anything should change, I hope you or another family member will keep us posted.
I am not aware of anyone thinking it okay that these two young people were hit and hurt. It was absolutely not.
Please understand that this website is not for conveying sympathy or condolences, but rather reporting the news and allowing people to discuss the details thereof. There are, on occasion, those comments that you may not agree with. If you do not and wish to post a different perspective, you should. As long as a poster refrains from calling names and doesn't use forms of vulgarities, KSL has always welcomed differing viewpoints.
As far as Kari's pregnancy, that was something reported within the story. The information about insurance, or lack thereof, in addition to the fact the two had been trying for the pregnancy for sometime, was offered by the family. It seems to give a unique, if not ironic, perspective on this story, whereas if the two did have insurance they would not have to concern themselves as to paying for extensive medical coverage. Unfortunately now, they may in a situation of losing everything they own and still be heavily in debt.
Take the time to reread everything I've posted. Absolutely nothing I've stated has anything whatsoever to do with religion. The discussion was based upon the fact that these two were not the only two people in the world to move in with one another and get pregnant. It has become a more acceptable lifestyle within today's society. Maybe that is simply because the institution of marriage has become watered down with divorces and annulments. From that perspective, it is truthful to state that the institution of marriage is only as strong as the two people committing to it. But it is still a commitment, which is public and legal and to some, even religious. It is a testament to the surrounding society of the love and commitment they have for one another. And to the children of such a union, it hopefully leads to a stronger foundation for growth, learning and nurturing.
Now if it happens to be that the only words you believe are sincere is that of well wishers, you may find you have very selective eyesight. The words you are now reading could not be more sincere. Although it may be a bad analogy, it would be like warning someone out of the path of an oncoming truck. Even if these two did not get out of the "proverbial" path, hopefully others will learn from their mistakes and not find themselves within the same situation.
I really do hope the two recover well and quickly. I'd like for nothing more to hear they are doing much better.
I am not aware of anyone thinking it okay that these two young people were hit and hurt. It was absolutely not.
Please understand that this website is not for conveying sympathy or condolences, but rather reporting the news and allowing people to discuss the details thereof. There are, on occasion, those comments that you may not agree with. If you do not and wish to post a different perspective, you should. As long as a poster refrains from calling names and doesn't use forms of vulgarities, KSL has always welcomed differing viewpoints.
As far as Kari's pregnancy, that was something reported within the story. The information about insurance, or lack thereof, in addition to the fact the two had been trying for the pregnancy for sometime, was offered by the family. It seems to give a unique, if not ironic, perspective on this story, whereas if the two did have insurance they would not have to concern themselves as to paying for extensive medical coverage. Unfortunately now, they may in a situation of losing everything they own and still be heavily in debt.
Take the time to reread everything I've posted. Absolutely nothing I've stated has anything whatsoever to do with religion. The discussion was based upon the fact that these two were not the only two people in the world to move in with one another and get pregnant. It has become a more acceptable lifestyle within today's society. Maybe that is simply because the institution of marriage has become watered down with divorces and annulments. From that perspective, it is truthful to state that the institution of marriage is only as strong as the two people committing to it. But it is still a commitment, which is public and legal and to some, even religious. It is a testament to the surrounding society of the love and commitment they have for one another. And to the children of such a union, it hopefully leads to a stronger foundation for growth, learning and nurturing.
Now if it happens to be that the only words you believe are sincere is that of well wishers, you may find you have very selective eyesight. The words you are now reading could not be more sincere. Although it may be a bad analogy, it would be like warning someone out of the path of an oncoming truck. Even if these two did not get out of the "proverbial" path, hopefully others will learn from their mistakes and not find themselves within the same situation.
I really do hope the two recover well and quickly. I'd like for nothing more to hear they are doing much better.
I think it's unfortunate that you do not see this website as a place for conveying sympathy and/or condolences. I would think this is the perfect site for just that - not to hear you spout your opinions on whether or not two people that aren't married are committed or whether or not they are insured and if they should be having children or not. I also like how you vote my post "offensive" and your own "persuasive". I hope nobody fell for that.
I think you should go back to your committed relationship and insured children and stay off of this comment board. Your thoughts come off as insincere as it gets. No matter how long your paragraphs are, all I hear is blah blah church blah uppity blah I think I'm so intelligent blah blah blah.
Love you Jaime, Kari, Denise and all the rest!!!
(Aunt) LoyAnn
I think you should go back to your committed relationship and insured children and stay off of this comment board. Your thoughts come off as insincere as it gets. No matter how long your paragraphs are, all I hear is blah blah church blah uppity blah I think I'm so intelligent blah blah blah.
Love you Jaime, Kari, Denise and all the rest!!!
(Aunt) LoyAnn
@Loyann D. - I appreciate your sense of frustration and anger towards both myself and others.
I know you feel this website is, or at least should be, dedicated to the conveyance of sympathy. That anyone who posts questions or comments that, although reasonable and directed to the story at hand, should be barred if found offensive by someone else.
I hope you can appreciate the illogical thinking and very irrational behavior behind such sentiment. KSL is and always has been dedicated towards the news. This website was absolutely established for the reporting of news and allowing its members to discuss differentiating perspectives of such. I would hope everyone agrees that comments, barring the use of abusive or vulgar language, are welcome.
LoyAnn, I dare say you have assumed far too much. To begin with your belief as to voting your comment "offensive". With all due respect, as of this posting you have not just one vote of "offensive", but two. I am not aware of this site allowing me or anyone else to vote twice on any post. Please accept my apologies, but the voting you speak of is not attributed to myself.
Further, I would again request that you show, by exact quotes, as to where I have spoken religion. I know of not one. The truths that have been spoken about are more that of a good "common-sense" foundation for family and children. It is based upon a sense of strong financial responsibility and planning. I know you have a sense of understanding and know you read any comments before arbitrarily posting such irrational replies. These replies are not based upon anger or lack of intelligence, but more a sense of frustration.
It is good to know that Jaime has addressed Kari as his fiancé, knowing now the importance of marriage. It's good to know they don't just view this wonderful institution as one of "just a piece of paper."
How are the two doing? Are they healing well? As painful as the healing may be, I'm sure everyone realizes the event could have ended much worse. There seems to be many people returning to this story in order to find some news attributed to their ongoing healing and better health. Will the hospital they are located in allow their dog to visit. It would hopefully brighten both their spirits.
Send Jaime, Kari and Denise all my love too. I hope they continue to do well.
I know you feel this website is, or at least should be, dedicated to the conveyance of sympathy. That anyone who posts questions or comments that, although reasonable and directed to the story at hand, should be barred if found offensive by someone else.
I hope you can appreciate the illogical thinking and very irrational behavior behind such sentiment. KSL is and always has been dedicated towards the news. This website was absolutely established for the reporting of news and allowing its members to discuss differentiating perspectives of such. I would hope everyone agrees that comments, barring the use of abusive or vulgar language, are welcome.
LoyAnn, I dare say you have assumed far too much. To begin with your belief as to voting your comment "offensive". With all due respect, as of this posting you have not just one vote of "offensive", but two. I am not aware of this site allowing me or anyone else to vote twice on any post. Please accept my apologies, but the voting you speak of is not attributed to myself.
Further, I would again request that you show, by exact quotes, as to where I have spoken religion. I know of not one. The truths that have been spoken about are more that of a good "common-sense" foundation for family and children. It is based upon a sense of strong financial responsibility and planning. I know you have a sense of understanding and know you read any comments before arbitrarily posting such irrational replies. These replies are not based upon anger or lack of intelligence, but more a sense of frustration.
It is good to know that Jaime has addressed Kari as his fiancé, knowing now the importance of marriage. It's good to know they don't just view this wonderful institution as one of "just a piece of paper."
How are the two doing? Are they healing well? As painful as the healing may be, I'm sure everyone realizes the event could have ended much worse. There seems to be many people returning to this story in order to find some news attributed to their ongoing healing and better health. Will the hospital they are located in allow their dog to visit. It would hopefully brighten both their spirits.
Send Jaime, Kari and Denise all my love too. I hope they continue to do well.
Not even gonna go there today. I'm over it. To continue to argue with you just makes me more and more frustrated. Go ahead and click "offensive".
@Loyann D. - I am not sure what, exactly, "it" is, but I would hope you all the happiness in the world.
Please do not ever feel a sense of frustration. You will find people throughout your entire life of which you may not agree with. In fact, when you think about it, not any two people agree with everything all the time. Unfortunately that means that everyone, on any given subject, may make you frustrated. This is a terrible way to live a life.
I really do hope all the happiness for you and a very quick road to healing for both Jaime and Kari.
I, and I'm sure those checking in on occasion, would like to know how they are doing. Please give us some insight.
Please do not ever feel a sense of frustration. You will find people throughout your entire life of which you may not agree with. In fact, when you think about it, not any two people agree with everything all the time. Unfortunately that means that everyone, on any given subject, may make you frustrated. This is a terrible way to live a life.
I really do hope all the happiness for you and a very quick road to healing for both Jaime and Kari.
I, and I'm sure those checking in on occasion, would like to know how they are doing. Please give us some insight.
I just want to make it clear that in the KJV Bible we are instructed to judge not lest ye be judged.
So what if these kids weren't married. There are still 3 lives at stake here, and it appears many of you don't have the ability to feel sympathy that God imbedded in others.
I just don't understand how some can look the other way as these young people suffer.
To both of these young people and their families, I wish you all the best. My thoughts and PRAYERS are with you.
So what if these kids weren't married. There are still 3 lives at stake here, and it appears many of you don't have the ability to feel sympathy that God imbedded in others.
I just don't understand how some can look the other way as these young people suffer.
To both of these young people and their families, I wish you all the best. My thoughts and PRAYERS are with you.
@iamvolfan - The discussion of religion, on stories not based upon such, is generally discouraged.
The simple foundation of religion and what certain documents may state about one topic or another is simply considered off-topic.
The simple foundation of religion and what certain documents may state about one topic or another is simply considered off-topic.
To all family members & friends, at this point, any negative posts should be ignored & not replied to. It's just jibberish nonsense that's really making things harder.
Jay's work offers insurance but it does not cover this particular incident.
They have been responsibly taking care of their own finances just fine along with taking care of a dog that can require alot of attention. Their responsibility was doing just fine until they were in this accident & now cannot walk to start with. It was not a marrage certificate that led to this!
PS: The picture of them kissing, was right after she was purposed to, very much like a wedding picture.
Also, we all know anyone can sign up under different emails to vote or have others vote what you may want them to vote. If that's the case, please stop.
Shaun, please accept my apology for calling you a dimwit, you really should ease up on your personal views though. While we understand personal beliefs is what makes America such a wonderful place to live as human beings, there is a fine line between speaking one beliefs & outright judging.
While this is a comment board on a news story, please use a more mature, caring form of reply & alot less judgemental view. It is getting nowhere, but strong reactions that are just not relavent to any of the challenges going on for them right now.
(((HUGS))) to everyone & Aunt LoyAnn, we hope to see you again really soon, don't let judgemental views affect you, we have too much to concern ourselves with.
Jay's work offers insurance but it does not cover this particular incident.
They have been responsibly taking care of their own finances just fine along with taking care of a dog that can require alot of attention. Their responsibility was doing just fine until they were in this accident & now cannot walk to start with. It was not a marrage certificate that led to this!
PS: The picture of them kissing, was right after she was purposed to, very much like a wedding picture.
Also, we all know anyone can sign up under different emails to vote or have others vote what you may want them to vote. If that's the case, please stop.
Shaun, please accept my apology for calling you a dimwit, you really should ease up on your personal views though. While we understand personal beliefs is what makes America such a wonderful place to live as human beings, there is a fine line between speaking one beliefs & outright judging.
While this is a comment board on a news story, please use a more mature, caring form of reply & alot less judgemental view. It is getting nowhere, but strong reactions that are just not relavent to any of the challenges going on for them right now.
(((HUGS))) to everyone & Aunt LoyAnn, we hope to see you again really soon, don't let judgemental views affect you, we have too much to concern ourselves with.
@Mark H. - I would of course accept your apology. Please understand that the entire bases for ksl.com is to discuss the perspectives and details attributed to specific news stories. You will always get differing opinions on any particular topic. Please don't ever consider such discussions as being judgmental, they are not. What they are is very caring and hopeful to see these two heal and continue to have a wonderful life together.
I've said previously how much I like the photo of the two kissing. They seem to be a very cute couple. When did Jaime propose to Kari? It's good to know they plan on getting married. Have they set a date?
And just so you are aware, I'm sure KSL regulates this site, making certain users are not misusing the comment portion in the way you are describing. I would hope no one would need to worry about such instances.
I really would like to know how the two are doing. It sounds like they're both able to make it around okay, albeit with the help of a wheelchair.
It does sound as if there is quite a question as to insurance coverage. According to the previous post from Jaime's brother, the two don't have insurance at all. It would be of great surprise that any insurance wouldn't cover emergency services, hospital stays and anything related to such circumstances. Some insurance may differ as to the amount of out-of-pocket expenses within a given year, but the entire concept of medical insurance is to cap such costs. The point being that someone within such a situation doesn't lose everything they own.
I'm sure their dog is quite a handful. What kind of dog is it? How is he/she doing? Is either of Jaime or Kari out of the hospital yet? I would think they are feeling better every day. I sure look forward to hearing how they are doing -- along with their dog ;-)
I've said previously how much I like the photo of the two kissing. They seem to be a very cute couple. When did Jaime propose to Kari? It's good to know they plan on getting married. Have they set a date?
And just so you are aware, I'm sure KSL regulates this site, making certain users are not misusing the comment portion in the way you are describing. I would hope no one would need to worry about such instances.
I really would like to know how the two are doing. It sounds like they're both able to make it around okay, albeit with the help of a wheelchair.
It does sound as if there is quite a question as to insurance coverage. According to the previous post from Jaime's brother, the two don't have insurance at all. It would be of great surprise that any insurance wouldn't cover emergency services, hospital stays and anything related to such circumstances. Some insurance may differ as to the amount of out-of-pocket expenses within a given year, but the entire concept of medical insurance is to cap such costs. The point being that someone within such a situation doesn't lose everything they own.
I'm sure their dog is quite a handful. What kind of dog is it? How is he/she doing? Is either of Jaime or Kari out of the hospital yet? I would think they are feeling better every day. I sure look forward to hearing how they are doing -- along with their dog ;-)
I'm glad to know you are still checking in regularly.
Please let us know how the two are doing. I'm sure there are several people who are reading the article and wondering the same. Have they recovered yet? Are they home or back to work? A lot of readers would like to know their status.
Thank you again LoyAnn.
Please let us know how the two are doing. I'm sure there are several people who are reading the article and wondering the same. Have they recovered yet? Are they home or back to work? A lot of readers would like to know their status.
Thank you again LoyAnn.
I find it hard to believe that you, Shaun, have the nerve to pry into the couple's personal/financial matters.
Regardless of the insurance status, the two are entitled to medical attention. Insurance status should have nothing to do with this conversation.
The question at hand, from the very beginning (prior to your judgements and side-tracking) was whether the man who ran into these kids will be held accountable.
He hit them, whether they are married, or insured (or any other off the wall question you may pose), is irrelevant. The man hit them. He was impaired. He should be punished.
LoyAnn, I truly hope you are able to take this nonsense with a grain of salt and not let it affect how you are doing.
Regardless of the insurance status, the two are entitled to medical attention. Insurance status should have nothing to do with this conversation.
The question at hand, from the very beginning (prior to your judgements and side-tracking) was whether the man who ran into these kids will be held accountable.
He hit them, whether they are married, or insured (or any other off the wall question you may pose), is irrelevant. The man hit them. He was impaired. He should be punished.
LoyAnn, I truly hope you are able to take this nonsense with a grain of salt and not let it affect how you are doing.
@iamvolfan - I am glad to hear from you again. I am not sure if you are a family member or how much of the posting you've been privy to, so I hope I can review it for you in as simple of space as possible.
KSL reported that Kari and Jaime were engaged, or at least that Jaime was calling Kari his fiancé. They further reported that Jaime was pregnant. This was all inclusive of the story. The surprising element is when one of the family members, in a previous post and in no way prying, stated that the two did not have any form of insurance. Further, within the context of a separate post, that the two had been trying to have a baby for some time.
The problem, at least at this point, is twofold. To begin with I am not aware that the DA has publicly stated they have enough evidence to place Neil behind the wheel at the time of the accident. Although there does seem to be some circumstantial evidence. Assuming that Neil can be found guilty of both reckless endangerment and driving under the influence, the second problem raises it's head. That is that, again according to a previous post, Neil doesn't own anything of tangible value.
I think where you can see the problem is headed. Jaime and Kari are in a difficult position. Again, according to a previous posting, Kari and Jaime are in a home they own or, at least, are buying. The cost of the medical bills they are facing, I'm sure, are going to be astronomical. You are right that the two are very much entitled to a certain level of medical attention, however the degree of attention can very much depend on covering such expenses. It is also a fact that, when all is said and done, the hospital, medical staff, doctors and surgeons can individually come after the two for payment, at least in part. There is nothing which states the two are entitled to own a home, vehicles or anything else of great value. This places them in the precarious position of losing what they may have now, and living in debt for years, if not decades to come.
Most people, I would think, would have a great deal of sympathy over being placed in such a situation. Two people starting out in life, so young and care-free, just to be mowed over by some "monster" which has changed their lives forever -- except...
The two chose not to have insurance. Even while trying to have a child, whether within the confines of marriage or within wedlock, they chose not to understand the costs of everyday living, yet alone that of having a child, and did not take enough care to be "covered".
Unfortunately now, there is a baby on the way, possibly brain damaged because of necessary surgeries after the accident (again, see previous posts). At least, from what can be surmised, the two are in great condition now and, I hope, may even be back to work.
What you must understand is the full context of this story. It is not as simple as you may suggest. There are, as you can see, several elements that have not been pried, but rather given freely by family members.
Was Neil the one who hit them? Maybe. If he was and it can be shown within a court of law, you are absolutely right, he should be punished. Is it his fault they were not covered by proper medical insurance, especially whereas they were trying to and having a baby? Absolutely not.
Understand, please, that this website is for the discussion of news in all its facets. You will have differing viewpoints and a lot of different perspectives, that is, as Jaime's mom stated, what makes America such a wonderful place to live.
LoyAnn seems like a remarkably nice person. She, I am sure, is just frustrated with the circumstances surrounding her family members. It is within that context that she seems to feel any comments not posting sympathy towards her family or pure hatred towards the perpetrator, is insulting. This is unfortunate, because such questions or analysis is not intended to be negative, in any way towards her or her family.
I have very nicely asked for her to keep us updated on the condition of the two, but she seems rather unwilling to do so. I have also told them I hope they are healing well and that their dog is equally doing well. She just doesn't seem willing to act in a manner other than anger and frustration. I understand, again, that she is very frustrated under the circumstances. I really am sure she is a very nice person in otherwise normal circumstances.
KSL reported that Kari and Jaime were engaged, or at least that Jaime was calling Kari his fiancé. They further reported that Jaime was pregnant. This was all inclusive of the story. The surprising element is when one of the family members, in a previous post and in no way prying, stated that the two did not have any form of insurance. Further, within the context of a separate post, that the two had been trying to have a baby for some time.
The problem, at least at this point, is twofold. To begin with I am not aware that the DA has publicly stated they have enough evidence to place Neil behind the wheel at the time of the accident. Although there does seem to be some circumstantial evidence. Assuming that Neil can be found guilty of both reckless endangerment and driving under the influence, the second problem raises it's head. That is that, again according to a previous post, Neil doesn't own anything of tangible value.
I think where you can see the problem is headed. Jaime and Kari are in a difficult position. Again, according to a previous posting, Kari and Jaime are in a home they own or, at least, are buying. The cost of the medical bills they are facing, I'm sure, are going to be astronomical. You are right that the two are very much entitled to a certain level of medical attention, however the degree of attention can very much depend on covering such expenses. It is also a fact that, when all is said and done, the hospital, medical staff, doctors and surgeons can individually come after the two for payment, at least in part. There is nothing which states the two are entitled to own a home, vehicles or anything else of great value. This places them in the precarious position of losing what they may have now, and living in debt for years, if not decades to come.
Most people, I would think, would have a great deal of sympathy over being placed in such a situation. Two people starting out in life, so young and care-free, just to be mowed over by some "monster" which has changed their lives forever -- except...
The two chose not to have insurance. Even while trying to have a child, whether within the confines of marriage or within wedlock, they chose not to understand the costs of everyday living, yet alone that of having a child, and did not take enough care to be "covered".
Unfortunately now, there is a baby on the way, possibly brain damaged because of necessary surgeries after the accident (again, see previous posts). At least, from what can be surmised, the two are in great condition now and, I hope, may even be back to work.
What you must understand is the full context of this story. It is not as simple as you may suggest. There are, as you can see, several elements that have not been pried, but rather given freely by family members.
Was Neil the one who hit them? Maybe. If he was and it can be shown within a court of law, you are absolutely right, he should be punished. Is it his fault they were not covered by proper medical insurance, especially whereas they were trying to and having a baby? Absolutely not.
Understand, please, that this website is for the discussion of news in all its facets. You will have differing viewpoints and a lot of different perspectives, that is, as Jaime's mom stated, what makes America such a wonderful place to live.
LoyAnn seems like a remarkably nice person. She, I am sure, is just frustrated with the circumstances surrounding her family members. It is within that context that she seems to feel any comments not posting sympathy towards her family or pure hatred towards the perpetrator, is insulting. This is unfortunate, because such questions or analysis is not intended to be negative, in any way towards her or her family.
I have very nicely asked for her to keep us updated on the condition of the two, but she seems rather unwilling to do so. I have also told them I hope they are healing well and that their dog is equally doing well. She just doesn't seem willing to act in a manner other than anger and frustration. I understand, again, that she is very frustrated under the circumstances. I really am sure she is a very nice person in otherwise normal circumstances.
Thank you for your comments. I've decided to not let Shaun and his delusions of grandeur-way of speaking affect me. In fact, I'm finding the latest ones pretty hilarious.
@Loyann D. - You will, of course, read the current posting.
I really do mean that I think you're a very nice person in otherwise normal circumstances. I really would like to see Kari and Jaime recover well, if they have not already. I also hope their dog is doing exceptionally well.
If and when you would like to, please let everyone know how the two are doing.
All my best.
I really do mean that I think you're a very nice person in otherwise normal circumstances. I really would like to see Kari and Jaime recover well, if they have not already. I also hope their dog is doing exceptionally well.
If and when you would like to, please let everyone know how the two are doing.
All my best.
Once again you have your facts WRONG.
They chose to KEEP the baby, what Neil Lewis did was what killed the baby. Their decision was NEVER to abort.
Also, they are NOT in great condition nor are they able to physical & mentally retur to work yet either, you have lied & instigated.
Get your facts straight before stating false judgement claims. Everyone is tired of your twisting the facts & off topic nonsense on so many KSL stories. Give it a rest already, please!
They chose to KEEP the baby, what Neil Lewis did was what killed the baby. Their decision was NEVER to abort.
Also, they are NOT in great condition nor are they able to physical & mentally retur to work yet either, you have lied & instigated.
Get your facts straight before stating false judgement claims. Everyone is tired of your twisting the facts & off topic nonsense on so many KSL stories. Give it a rest already, please!
Please Note: a trust fund has been set up under 'Jaime Arbon' (my sons name, this is for both of them), Donations can be accepted at any Zions bank (Magna branch) or 1-801-974-8800
This is for their current needs mostly as they are looking at losing their home now due to the lack of work & bills piling up just to start with, thanks to physical problems caused from this accident.
Thank You to everyone who has sent condolences, prayers, positive thoughts & donations.
(((HUGE HUGS)))
~*~ PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ~*~
This is for their current needs mostly as they are looking at losing their home now due to the lack of work & bills piling up just to start with, thanks to physical problems caused from this accident.
Thank You to everyone who has sent condolences, prayers, positive thoughts & donations.
(((HUGE HUGS)))
~*~ PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ~*~
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It does bite when you seem empty handed to justice.
I like to remind our fellow citizens that we live in a judicial society. Hence, these good folks could gather up tons of evidence against Mr. Lewis and sue him in court. I would include all parties involved. Insurances, Pharmacies, Doctors, true owners of the vehicle, ect... and lastly Mr. Lewis. I went to school for 7 years to become a Pharmacist. I will galdly step back as a bio-chemist, becuase our medical field has enslaved the public with whack drugs.
One more fact you have not added about his hit and run case. You can't even prove he was behind the wheel at the time of the accident. If he denies it and said he lent out his vehicle to a supposed baby sitter, he could walk 100%. He probably told the Cops he did hit and run which is much better for a plea bargain.
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This is Jay & Kari's first baby, they've been trying for this baby.
Please pray for Kari's family & ours. Kari already lost her sister to a car accident caused by someones elses neglagence & We have medical issues in our family that affected Jay & his brother physically at birth, all he wanted was a healthy baby, that would never matter to him had it not have been for what he endured growing up & now this. The couple are heartbroken.
PLEASE, if you can, send Jaime & Kari cards / flowers / prayers & positive thoughts to the hospital on 5300 south & state. They will need to hear your positeness this way, it will help their spirits. Today will be so hard for everyone.
*Please NO visitors, though, it's too hard still & They are not in the condition for this.
Thanks & the kids' names are: Jaime Arbon & Kari Busnell.
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As a nurse, I worked in a detox center for over two years and I can tell you for a surety that he would not experience life threatening withdrawal from narcotics. Narcotic withdrawal is painful but never life threatening. It feels like you are dieing when you are withdrawing from opiates but you won't. If he was on Meth, there is no withdrawal, only a crash. The only life threatening withdrawal is from Alcohol(ETOH) Benzodiazepines, and Barbiturates. I say let him get dope sick in jail to teach him a lesson.
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Not being from Utah I don't get your user ID.
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Midavale City PD has staffing issues and can't sit on a Jack Tard like this guy to get off the crack. To sit on a tweeker like this guy would take a few days (about two) (oh, by the way he has no medical insurance so you and I are paying for his medical treatment for his self induced over dose).
Now to all the rest of the readers this "gental man" is a tweeker and will have a warrant for his arrest soon. The Cops will find him driving about town in a car with no insurance in your neighbor hood soon.
Have a great day and people vote for that bond to increase the jail beds for these misfits. Please help a community out Libs?
8:12pm - Thu Aug 21st, 2008
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10:48pm - Thu Aug 21st, 2008
When a man can be sent to prison for littering why is another one walking free when he nearly killed someone, especially while high?
In the mean time, our legislators are discussing animal cruelty and the price of asphalt.
I am getting too old for this crap.
12:07am - Fri Aug 22nd, 2008
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1:13pm - Fri Aug 22nd, 2008