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@4Brtndr1 - I am comfortable knowing that Ogden will remain the steamy pile of goo that it has been all these years! Now, if we could just fence the area off and contain the toxic flow of people driving to Salt Lake! There must be a way.
@Bill C. - Bill, I think you might want to reconsider what you're saying. Let me present you with some statistics (you know those things that people like to use to back up what they say so they don't look like a fool).
For the ENTIRE Year of 2006; Ogden city reports a total of 2 homicides And 203 aggravated assaults.
For the MONTHS of July through September; Salt Lake City reports 5 Homicides and 213 aggravated assaults.
Now I've only lived in Ogden for 2 years but I would think that, just given these statistics, SLC has more of a crime problem than Ogden. Don't even get me started on sexual assaults. Now you can take your ignorant uninformed view elsewhere.
And if you would like to look for yourself;
http://www.ogdencity.com/displayarticle120.htm l
http://www.slcgov.com/police/CrimeStats/stats/3Month.pdf
@ICEBOXOCB - the FBI ratings of safest and dangerous cities in the US, out of the 371 largest cities, utah had six cities.
Orem was rated 12th safest in the US
Sandy, 26th
Provo, 79th
Ogden, 182nd,
West Valley, 213th,
SLC, 247th
So you are right is saying that Ogden is safer than SLC. You would also be right if you stated that SLC is more dangerous than West Valley. Whoda thunkit?
@Bill C. - Bill you are a typical biased Utahn. You make judgements on an area and people that you truly no nothing about. You read the news or watch KSL so you think your an expert. You have probably never been in Ogden other than a drive through. Judge yourself before making an assumption of us. Im glad people like you are scared of Ogden. Just stay out.
But if you ask me, ALL voters should be forced to show some sort of ID at the polls. In close elections (which I don't think is the case in the Ogden mayoral race--Godfrey will easily win) it's important to make sure there are no shenanigans going on.
We should require positive ID of EVERY voter. Only exception might be if the poll worker knows you personally. Which, if precincts are not changed too often might apply to a lot of voters.
But really, how many people leave the home these days without some form of positive ID? Anyone who drives to the polling place ought to have a driver license on them. You can't cash a check without some form of government ID. Many merchants now require ID when using a credit card. But we allow people to march in and vote with nothing more than knowing the name of a registered voter in the area? It is crazy.
Furthermore, we should require proof of citizenship and age in order to register to vote. Break out that birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers to register. Then have your driver license or other ID handy to actually cast your ballot. It is NOT a burden except to those trying to vote illegally.
Early or absentee voting really should be limited to those who will actually be out of the area on election day or whose work schedules make getting to the polls difficult. I would not prohibit early voting. But it certainly should not be encouraged and pushed the way it is this year, especially in SLCo. There are just too many problems with vote security with large numbers of voters casting ballots early or by mail.
@Charles h - I couldn't agree more. I have some neighbors who are in their 90s and that I'm sure are registered voters. There would be nothing to stop someone from walking in, claiming that they are someone else and vote in their name. How hard would it be to simply ask for photo ID when picking up your ballot/voting card? Not hard at all I say.
As for this list spoken of in the article? I haven't seen this list but I know that there are people who do not live here but are registered voters in the area. These people are either former residents of Ogden who have moved and kept their voter registration here and/or people who own land or other properties here in Ogden but don't actually live here - using these properties as claimed residences to secure voting privileges.
We all know that this happens and more needs to be done to make sure it doesn't. Asking for ID is an easy first step. If I had been on this list, I would have been more than happy to prove my residence.
@luftgekuhlt - By-the-way, I did a quick search and this Dorthy Littrell lady mentioned in the story has a listed address and phone number in North Ogden City (which is not part of Ogden City).
Try a search on infospace, Dogpile, Whitepages.com, Yahoo and WhoWhere and you'll see.
Actually, WhoWhere lists 7 different entries for a Dorthy Littrell in several surrounding cities. Sunset, Clinton, Salt Lake, Ogden and North Ogden.
I wonder how many of these cities she is registered to vote in.
I think it is hilarious that Dorothy is voting for the Ogden Mayoral race. I guess she doesn’t really care about issues in her place of residents in North Ogden. Is it even legal for her to vote in Ogden? I guess we could ask Neil Hanson, she made a sizable donation to his campaign for mayor I’m sure he will know where she should be voting.
@Slceroc - and was not asked to show ID. I do not recall ever being asked to show ID any time I have voted in the past (and that is more years than I would care to remember).
@Ozzie - I didn't know anyone at the poles and they didn't ask me or my wife who had voted earlier for any type of Id just our name. When I gave my name they corrected me and said it was listed as Richard.
I brought my ID but it wasn’t needed in my line.
@Slceroc - and I wasn't asked for identification. As a matter of fact, there was a sign at the polling table that stated that I would need to give my first and last name AND my address. All I gave was my first and last name. Nobody bothered to even make sure I still lived at the address that I am registered under. I could have moved to Texas and come back just to vote.
I think we should be REQUIRED to show identification at the very least.
THis is from Weber Blog Spot, it would do you well to read here first, and see whats happening up here. The little lord godfrey is scared and he is trying every dirty trick he can think of.
http://wcforum.blogspot.com/
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I took a glance at your blog, I think you should change the title of your comments to “so many opinions… here are some more”. Also the name of the forum should be changed from “Weber County Forum” to “We hate Mathew Godfrey”, all I read was a lot of crying and no content. I do agree that a new mayor is in order; however, when I had to make the choice between Godfrey and Van Hooser, Godfrey won my vote. Any candidate that makes an argument that they are qualified to be mayor because she can balance her check book needs to come up with a new argument. It’s too bad that we had such crappy choices for mayor.
I think he did alot of good for the city. Now if he can just do something about our crime (mostly mexicans) that would be great. I would be scared to death to live in the ghetto of Ogden. I would probably get shot, I don't even like to drive down there.
@Proud To Be An American - you don't know him. He's been in bed with illegals for years. After all he used to be a slumlord with several downtown hellholes he rented. People see some new business in Ogden and think he's great. Unfortunately not many people remember the multitudes of people he's peed all over during his two terms. I'm pretty surprised he's been able to get away with so much of it and still take an election. What a worm.
Godfrey did for me was kick me out of my house. I was a college student, and apparently in Ogden there is an ordinance that says you can't have more than three unrelated people living in the same house. A bunch of us college students were renting a house together, but we were forced to leave when our landlord's former business manager turned him in for violation of this ordinance. We had never caused a problem in the community. The police were never called to our residence; we were never a public nuisance; we kept the yard looking nice, but we still had to leave. So now Ogden still has all the criminals, but they drove out 6 law-abiding citizens that made a positive contribution to Ogden. Good work Godfrey!!!
@Rachel L. - Why you think the zoning regulations, or the laws regarding residences are purely the mayors doing?
Lots of places, especially towns with Universities have similar rules. I can understand why you don't like the rule, but that is a pretty ridiculous reason to hate a mayor.
@dansimp - It was his administration that established this ordinance. My point is, if he is trying to reduce crime in Ogden, why isn't he driving out known gang members (many of which have a situation with multiple families living in a single residence)? The man is a dope!!!
@Rachel L. - It may have become an ordinance during his administration. However, 1) like I said its a fairly common, and non-controversial ordinance in college towns and 2) the problem with enforcement is it has to be reported. Like you said, you weren't caught until someone (disgruntled) reported it. You can complain about others doing it, but there has to be reports and then proof. You and your roomates being upstanding citizens weren't about to lie about it and fabricate a story of only a couple living there. It is really easy to have multiple people living in a residence and keep it completely unprovable. Numbers on the lease etc. My point is, your getting kicked out, while regretable, can't be laid at the feet of the mayor.
@Rachel L. - And if you want to blame a specific body for establishing the ordinance, I would bet that it was the city council, and not the mayor, who passed it.
I know there are strong emotions when it comes to the once again mayor of Ogden. It is amazing how much noise people make when someone is doing a good job. I think he's a great leader as he is strong enough to get the job done. I know that a majority of the voters agree. My respects go to his family for the tragic loss of his Dad two weeks ago.
Just what we need, this jerk in office for another 4 years, I wonder how deep in debt we'll be in 4 years from now, he's got us pretty far as it is (and the price tag from the Junction isn't even in yet). Oh yeah, and does anyone have a guess as to when the "gondola" project will pop back up, and Mt. Ogden golf course will say goodbye? You guys know that the only reason he pulled away from Chris Peterson & the gondola project, and Maylans Basin resort talk was so he'd get re elected, and he did, and now here it comes, I say before April of 08 it'll be back in full swing, way to go voters, way to put your trust in a crooked untrustworthy politician. Maybe its time to move out of Ogden, because we are in trouble! The power of Shady uh I mean Shadow Valley shows its ugly face again.
@greeklikeme - Maybe you don't know that there is a area in Ogden called "Shadow Valley". I'm not sure how it can be in Ogden though. It's out by Uinta, and that's where VanHooser lives.
@Sally J. - Shadow Valley may be part of Ogden City, but will someone tell me why their children go to Weber County schools. Why don't Susan's children attend Ogden City Schools?
@Sherrie A. - Are you high, or something? Ogden city is part of Weber County... they attend the school they are closest to within the county.
I mean, as a child I lived in Clearfield, but went to school in Layton... because they are in the same county.
No wonder Ogden doesn't come up with decent candidates... if you are any indication of the intellectual prowess of the city, the city is eventually just going to be sucked into a hole never to return.
@Sherrie A. - Ogden City School District is in Weber County!!!
Susan was a teacher in Ogden City Schools for 20 years. Her kids also attended Ogden City Schools. I'm not sure all of the details, but they did attend Ogden High. Maybe you should know facts before you bark! :)
Sometimes we let our thoughts of tomorrow take up too much of today.
It is a shame that the voters do not see Matt Godfrey as he is and for what he has done, rather they see the Mall going up and think Ogden's back to greatness. He's got us into deep debt, he runs a corrupt administration and all his personal pals will benefit and the rest of us will suffer. This latest scandal of rigging the ballot box does not surprise anyone. Susan is down 181 votes and 800 absentee ballots are out there waiting to be counted. Let Ogden finally get rid of this bum. Had everyone showed up to the polls and voted, we wouldn't be worried about our future now. It' just like Florida all over again, voters split and torn apart and dangling chads going to determine our future. Sad, sad, sad !
ID alone proves only who you are, not where you live. If they really want to curb the accusations about where one lives, ask for photo id AND a current utility bill, bank statement, etc. And when I say current, I mean within the past month.
When my wife and I voted, we had to complete a provisional ballot because I hadn't changed my address with voter registration (We still live in the same town but different precinct). We had to show our id's and another form of proof of residency.
@Scorpio - You should always go to vote with a picture id (like a drivers license) and if that picture id doesn't have your correct address on it, you should take a recent utility bill also that does show your address.
People don't understand that anyone (poll watchers, other voters, etc.) has the right to challenge your right to vote and you may have to prove who you are and that you live at the address in the precinct you are voting in. Without those two items, your vote may not count. Poll workers are supposed to allow you to fill out a provisional ballot in any case, but if they can't verify id and address, your vote may not count.
wow go to south ogden and u see an awful lot of godfrey signs hmmmm though that was not allowed oh well ogden will fall further and further into tthe slums
@Valers - Some of the really great things will be:
chasing down off-duty cops
wrestling drunk teenagers
wining and dining Chris Peterson
dividing the community
selling the golf courses
moving the trail systems higher up the mountain
Even if he wins after all the absentee and provisional ballots are accounted for. I would say based on the voting results he only has slightly better than a 50% approval rating. The people that oppose him will be watching him closely and it will not take much to tip the scales strongly in there favor. In order to keep his preciuos little position he is going to have to act with higher morals and cross all the t's and dot his i's. If he steps out of line (and he will) his oposition will be right there to challenge him, and he will not serve his full four years.
@Full draw - These guys are so anti-everything they will be all over Godfrey no matter what he does. They will highlight anything negative and refuse to see anything positive.
I can not see how or why Godfrey is back in office. Do the people of Ogden not keep track of how many Law Suits the City is in over their controversial arm twisting techniques to get things done their way. I know of 3 law suits filed just on 25th street. All were settled, and not in Ogden’s favor. How many millions of dollars were spent on attorneys. This could have been spent on Ogden's Gang problem.
The best thing about Ogden is the Interstate that passes thru. Just do not have to stop there.
ok an eye opener for everyone one this blog who thinks godfrey is an angel. 2001 before the olympics godfrey had the ampetheater built and he just had to have fancey seats for them so he purchased them. well one the he forgot was councile approval. so they had to take from the fire department and the police department to fund these stupid worthless bleachers. skip ahead to january 28th 2002 one of the worst snow storms in awhile. a fire breaks out at my house 15 minutes for the first fire truck to arrive and when it did it was broke down and could not pump water it took another 15 minutes to get a second one there. the fire department investigated it and found that a lack of funding was the reason for the truck not working. so where does the blame go?????
I've lived in Davis Co. my whole life, and up until a few years ago Ogden has been the armpit of Northern Utah. That isn't in reference to the people, but the entire city has been allowed to get extremely run down, dirty, crime ridden, etc. I went to Weber for four years, and loved it. I think Ogden has some great parts in it as well. My point is, I have seen vast improvements over the last few years. Clearly many in Ogden don't like the Mayor, and this isn't an endorsement of him, but from an outsiders perspective, Ogden looks better today than it has in the last 25 years. So, take that for what its worth.
@dansimp - It is much better than when we first got here there are still things that need impovement. I am amazed and how rude people are about change and impovement. I am sicked by the "Lets keep it the way it is"
Thiking.
It's going to be a long weekend for the little guy, worrying about the opposition, the real vote count, the criminals, losing his job and his water pipes breaking, but at least we have the air tunnel. Just remember that Gloria is counting your votes and remember what you did to her. Sleep well young one.
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4:35pm - Tue Nov 06th, 2007
Wow!! Who knew???
3:16am - Wed Nov 07th, 2007
6:46am - Wed Nov 07th, 2007
For the ENTIRE Year of 2006; Ogden city reports a total of 2 homicides And 203 aggravated assaults.
For the MONTHS of July through September; Salt Lake City reports 5 Homicides and 213 aggravated assaults.
Now I've only lived in Ogden for 2 years but I would think that, just given these statistics, SLC has more of a crime problem than Ogden. Don't even get me started on sexual assaults. Now you can take your ignorant uninformed view elsewhere.
And if you would like to look for yourself;
http://www.ogdencity.com/displayarticle120.htm l
http://www.slcgov.com/police/CrimeStats/stats/3Month.pdf
12:00pm - Wed Nov 07th, 2007
Orem was rated 12th safest in the US
Sandy, 26th
Provo, 79th
Ogden, 182nd,
West Valley, 213th,
SLC, 247th
So you are right is saying that Ogden is safer than SLC. You would also be right if you stated that SLC is more dangerous than West Valley. Whoda thunkit?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8L2OIB80&show_article=1&lst=1
10:52am - Wed Nov 07th, 2007
There are good people everywhere Bill!