If the actual battlefield were to arrive on American Soil, I dont think the Military would get the chance to Mobilize before WALMART,BIG-5, and every other gun/ammo selling store was sold out and the country armed itself. Same reason that NOBODY will invade China. Someething about 1BILLION pissed off people if that happened, or in Americas Case around 350+ Million. Just think of all the Rednecks that actually get to shoot something......
Secondly, GOOD JOB KSL on the fine reporting. I understand and I am greatefull to know that the Soldier from Ogden is ok and will have fragments removed from his hip, but I wonder how many rocks they had to look under to find a Utah Mother of a Soldier stationed at Ft. Hood??????
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@MyOpinion4U - This tragedy will be celebrated by the left without a doubt;
Obama's Pastor must be jumping with joy and preparing his Sun sermon to glorify this idiot that killed all these innocent defenders of freedom.
I'll be willing to bet Obama is also celebrating this silently.
Have you not been listening to the news since 9/11 for this is not the first military compound that has been targeted or hit, and since President OBama/Congress doesn't want to secure our borders on either sides we will be targeted as soon as our home weapons are taken away, then they will strike even more so, until then the Armed Civilian American is a danger to their cause.
@MyOpinion4U - I'm sorry, MyOpinion4U, but Ft. Hood IS in America! It appears that this shooter did what he did because of an upcoming deployment. That is the battlefield, like it or not.
@MyOpinion4U - All the prayers Worldwide will not stop the inevitable battlefield that WILL come to American soil.
Our government has trampled over the people and asked us to be tolerant while they have continued to destroy our country all in the name of GREED. At the end of each questionable act of corruption with our government and politicians, ask yourself could the reason for this be GREED? Answer, YES. Greed is the root of all CORRUPTION and LYING.
If you don't own weapons or guns, you might want to think about arming yourself before your rights to bear arms are removed by your politicians and president.
@MyOpinion4U - I don't know that I can agree with those saying that the battle field is already in america. When I think about the way things are in iraq or afghanistan I feel pretty lucky that I'm here in a much safer place. Yes, we are affected by the battle, but at this point I wouldn't say that we are in the battlefield, we're just getting hit by the schrapnel.
Glad this soldier is going to be alright. God bless him and his family.
Hey MyOpinion4U,
The battle field is already in America. Think about it.
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@Anxie 2: Electric Boogaloo - Hey Anxie2: Electric Boogaloo,
You can stop shaking your fist, the reply button works again. :)
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You can't use reason to argue someone out of a position that he/she didn't get into by reason.
You've got to include Sept 11th in there. FYI you really can't say the French-Indian War occurred on USA soil. That war happened 10-15 years before the United States became a nation. But your correct in calling MY4U out with everything else.
Ben D - I do know what you are talking about - the Drug battle field - The gang violence Battle field, the common criminal battle field - Yes you are so right, they are all terrible and are all out of control - but, the battle field I am talking about is the one with Al-Qaeda and other extreme MUSLIM GROUPS that are oganized and work with military precision - I do not want to see sucide bombers walking around America and blow up Americans randomly at malls, sports areas , I DONT WANT TO SEE THAT COME TO AMERICA - i prefer we fight these jerks in the middle east if that is what it takes to keep them out of America- sure AMERICANS would respond esp the ones with guns - but our country we go nuts and innocent people would be killed by Americans even looking for the bad guys - THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE
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The battle field I am talking about IS the one with Al-Qaeda and other groups. They are here and plotting their moves. They are everywhere and thankfully, some of their plots are squashed. Maybe you won't see suicide bombers at malls and sports areas, but they have other ways to do their dirty work.
DON'T KID YOURSELF!!!
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@MyOpinion4U - MO4U - I guess you missed that whole 9-11-2001 thing huh? That battlefield is world wide, including here in our backyards. As for what you said, General Franks said the same thing, you either fight them here, or fight them over there, and we would rather fight them over there. However with our current CinC dilly dallying on what to do in Iraq/Afghanistan, we are leaving ourselves open for things like this and much worse.
@MyOpinion4U - The battlefield is everywhere. Until we realize that the enemy IS Islam we'll continue to be surprised and shocked every time it happens on American soil.
ANXIE - yes you are right as well and i am acutely aware of American History, HOWEVER in all the cases you cited THEY ALL WORE UNIFORMS and we knew who are enemies were - plus in Modern times we have not been invaded by a forign force bent on our destruction who target the innocemt as the primary targets ok - If you cannot understand the difference , oh well
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Quite frankly, I believe suicide bombing terroists, or the like, in our American cities is unavoidable... but lets pray it never happens cause that might be our best shot at keeping them out.
It's good to hear SSG Foster is going to be ok. I was listening to reporting last night and heard they're all trained as First Responders. I'd bet it was another soldier who went to him and made sure he wasn't alone while waiting for help.
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This whole thing just breaks my heart. It is absolutely terrible. I am glad this Utah solider will be okay. I am also glad that the shooter lived, now he has no choice but to accept responsibility for his actions and hopefully he will rot in prison or die an horrible untimely death.
I was a soldier. Private Foster is a Private First Class, not a Staff Sargeant. It mentions in the article that it was Private Foster himself that helped others, and didn't know that he was shot himself for 20 minutes.
Thank you for the correction, 21 is young to be a staff sergeant. He was so busy helping others he didn't know he was shot for 20 minutes? What an unselfish man.
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Thanks to Mr. Foster and to all our military who jumped in and helped in any way they could.
God bless the Foster family, im so glad Private Foster will be okay.
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As the wife of a soldier I am heartbroken for the loss of these men and women that had dedicated themselves to the protection of our country and civil rights. I pray for the quick recovery of those that were physically and emotionally wounded. I pray that one mans loss of reality doesn't provoke insanity, bigotry and hate from citizens that are watching these procedings.
The 19 year old Man that got killed was my best friend for a long time. we always talked about going together. i feel so bad cause i was supposed to be there he was like a brother to me. i feel so much pain it should have been me not him i loved him as a brother and always will god bless him.
@Jeff Rudd - Jeff, I'm sorry you lost a best friend. I was lucky yesterday that I recieved a call that my brother was safe, but I have been feeling the pain of realizing that others didn't get the same relief I did yesterday.
@Jeff Rudd - Oh, gees, I'm sorry too. Jeff, maybe you can go spend some time with Aaron's family and be there for them. I'm sure you'd be a comfort to them and Aaron would be pleased.
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@Jeff Rudd - Jeff, I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend.
I am going to repeat something to you that I was impressed to tell one of "My Guys" a few years ago.
While serving in Iraq, a soldier in my husbands unit had an accident that broke his neck. He was not paralyzed but did have to come back to the states and have surgery. He was treated very well and did make a very good recovery.
While recovering, he helped with the units Family Readiness Program. He and I spoke several times. He did not understand why he was here, why it had happened, and why he could not have continued to help his fellow unit members.
I told him he may never know the reason that these things happened to him, but that he should believe that he was here for a reason. He was needed here. He was still fully serving his unit but just in a different way. He help the families which in turn helped the soldiers serving because they new he was here helping.
I don't know if these words will give you any comfort, but I hope that they will.
@Jeff Rudd - I think WEM is talking about the muslim. He should see a firing squad! I'm sorry over the loss of your friend jeff. He is a hero in my eyes!
@Jeff Rudd - I'm sorry Jeff. My husband works with Aaron's dad and he just heard the news today. We are heartbroken for ALL of the soldiers and families that were affected by such a senseless act of terrorism.
It's a Utah newspaper, so of course they are going to focus on Utah soldiers. I feel bad that these soldiers died, but I would have felt worse if that soldier was my brother or neighbor. When we know the people who are injured or die, then it adds an element of personal sorrow. KSL is hedging their bets that people reading their paper may have known the injured soldier and the soldier that was killed. Hence the local Utah focus. They are reporting to their audiance.
@Barbara S. - Allah needs to free the world from war. All we've done "wrong" is make the Arab world rich enough to wage war. Otherwise they'd have to throw goats at us.
@HOLYSHIZ !!! - At the risk of political incorrectness, I am beginning to eye all muslims with suspicion. I am done falling for the "religion of peace" bovine feces that has been fed to us.
We have been burned enough times, lets start being as smart as most two year olds and recognize HOT when we see it. I know not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are muslims. Whether you were born muslim, or were delusional enough to convert to it, I'm watchin you.
After we gather as much information as possible on this criminal and traitor, we move on to execution by either a)firing squad or b)hanging
Also, do not expect fat-cat politicians from either party to protect your family and friends from these dangers. Their policies will continue to endanger our lives and the lives of our men and women in uniform.
The Founding Fathers realized an armed citizenry (apart from the government) would be essential to a free and secure state.
I think we should interview all Muslim people in the Military and see if they are a risk. I don't want to sound raciest or anything but these are are troops we are talking about. If we cant protect the protectors then what will we do.
@misty519 - ok..so all Muslims, even born in America Muslims, white Islamic converts? ok so if we screen them..do we also need to screen the Muslim descent Christian converts? what about families that have mixed Islamic and other religions..do we screen the family members too? or are you just talking about non-citizen Muslims?? it sounds really easy to say "screen them all"..but what exactly is "all"?
May God be with the family of Aaron Thomas Nemelka and all other families that have lost loved ones. 19 years old and snuffed out by some radical idiot with God only knows what ties to other low crawling cave dwelling individuals. We can all pray that our government will turn this idiot into a public display of action that is performed on people whom choose to cause chaos with the American people and our soldiers whom protect us daily.
Misty and what exactly will that do? Give you piece of mind? False sense of security?
THIS GUY WENT THRU ALL OF THAT infact he was a mental health expert.. (meaning he knew all to well the realities of war and the traumatic effects it could have on you, not saying thats justifiable for what he did but what your saying needs to be done is already being done except it includes EVERYONE.
I would screen The farmboy from Kansas just as I would the Muslim from Michigan..
(You have heard about Soldiers stealing military surplus and then selling it to the black market or right wing extremist groups (can you say Oklahoma City?)
@John D. - John i do agree but we have to start some place. Everyone should be screened but being Army i would trust the farm boy by my side than the latter.
@John D. - john's right..Oklahoma bombing was a white Christian kid..could have been my brother (kinda looked like him).
i've got a 7-11 down the street...two guys from India work there, one is a Hindu, the other a Muslim..i can't tell which is which by looking at them. am i going to quit going to 7-11's now?
ok..some nut case comes out and says i hate all American's and want them to die, sure..be fearful of them... but i think the smarter terrorists that live in the US are a little more sneaky than that.
in this case the shooter actually did write some anti-american crap and FBI knew about it. but i'm sure most people that came on contact with him didn't.
@John D. - This is the EVIL biography of Islams prophet Muhammad; He murdered 600-900 innocent men & boys as young as 12. He had sex with a 9 year old girl. He bought & sold slaves, Robbed caravans, Cheated on his 11 wives, Kept concubines, Tortured people, Raped women, Ordered political assassinations & the deaths of those who left his religion. Does this sound like a prophet of God, or a prophet of the devil? Watch; Truth About Evil Prophet Muhammad, on U Tube.
My prayers are with the soldiers that were killed in this horrible attack on our countries soil.....I am personally grateful beyond explanation for every soldier that is willing to risk their lives for us. Freedom always costs blood! Thank you Jesus for shedding your blood for us.....Prayers with every soldier!
During WWII nobody had a problem with the idea that we were at war with Germany and Japan. Yet nobody thought we were literally "at war" with every, single German and Japanese citizen, including women and children.
Why can't we accept the fact that we are at war with Islam? Islam knows it's at war with America. Obviously. This doesn't mean we need to kill every Muslim on the face of the planet, any more than we needed to kill every German or Japanese. But we must defeat Islam. It's not just a religion. It's a culture, a government, and everything else.
Get a clue, people. We didn't recruit soldiers from Germany or Japan during the war. Why are we recruiting Muslims now? And then we act all surprised when they attack us? The man was just doing his job as a soldier. If you're at war, and you are surrounded by your enemies and you're holding a gun, you shoot. It seems obvious to me. Just like the Muslim who fragged officers in Iraq early on in the war. You give the enemy a bunch of grenades and turn him loose in your headquarters? Then you're shocked when he blows you up? You're pretty stupid.
Just as we couldn't trust a solider whose allegiance was to Hitler or Tojo, neither can we trust a soldier whose first loyalty is to Allah.
In other news: The world is round. The sky is blue. 2 + 2 = 4. If there are any other crashingly obvious facts I can point out, please let me know. I've got a bunch of 'em.
@mbitsko2 - This is the EVIL biography of Islams prophet Muhammad; He murdered 600-900 innocent men & boys as young as 12. He had sex with a 9 year old girl. He bought & sold slaves, Robbed caravans, Cheated on his 11 wives, Kept concubines, Tortured people, Raped women, Ordered political assassinations & the deaths of those who left his religion. Does this sound like a prophet of God, or a prophet of the devil? Watch; Truth About Evil Prophet Muhammad, on U Tube.
@John D. - Sometimes its right to be scared of the giant alien sitting next to you with dripping fangs and lasers and stuff.
Being afraid of things that are dangerous to you is part of the survival instinct. I think muslims are dangerous to Americans. Call it xenophobic if you like, I call it smart.
@John D. - watreskell, its not like it was a big scary alien with dripping fangs..it was an American born PhD psychiatrist in a uniform. yes the FBI was investigating him (i think they really dropped the ball on this one), but i'm sure the people that came in contact with him from day to day had no idea he would go nuts and open fire. the sad fact is unless you are going to fear everyone, or you have access to FBI files, you have no idea who to fear. it's not like this guy was dressed as Osama Bin Laden.
@John D. - My point exactly Maggie. It's NOT like he was dressed like Osama Bin Laden. The only thing he has in common with ALL THE OTHER TERRORISTS is his muslim religion.
I'm calling a spade a spade. As I said earlier, I know not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are muslims. Call it xenophobic if you must - I'm gonna be wary of muslims. This guy proves any and all of them could be harboring the anti-american terrorist agenda deep in their twisted little hearts.
@John D. - watreskell..how are you going to be wary of something you can't see??. i mean unless you stake out the Mosques (ok..we don't have many in Utah i admit) and take photos of who goes in and out..how are you going to know who is Muslim and who isn't? you're right..over the last decade most the terrorist that have effected our country have declared their religion as Islam, but unless they also declare themselves to be an extremist nut job..how are you going to know? i can't live in fear of everyone who is brown on the off chance they might be a Muslim. not even that would work since there are white and black Muslims too.
@John D. - And we finally get to the point I was trying to make. For me, going forward, muslim = extremist nut job. For nearly a decade we have been giving muslims the benefit of the doubt. But now, all of them; brown, black, white, striped I don't care, all muslims are suspect in my mind. I don't want them in my military, I don't want them in my community, I DON'T WANT THEM IN MY COUNTRY! One bad apple does not spoil the bunch, but a series of bad apple after bad apple after bad apple leads one to believe that maybe its time to stop pulling apples out of that barrel!
@Barbara S. - Actually, the 4 horsemen are Conquest, War, Famine, Death.... Not pestilence... And your fanatical rantings serve no purpose on a forum built of god-toting zealots..
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If the actual battlefield were to arrive on American Soil, I dont think the Military would get the chance to Mobilize before WALMART,BIG-5, and every other gun/ammo selling store was sold out and the country armed itself. Same reason that NOBODY will invade China. Someething about 1BILLION pissed off people if that happened, or in Americas Case around 350+ Million. Just think of all the Rednecks that actually get to shoot something......
Secondly, GOOD JOB KSL on the fine reporting. I understand and I am greatefull to know that the Soldier from Ogden is ok and will have fragments removed from his hip, but I wonder how many rocks they had to look under to find a Utah Mother of a Soldier stationed at Ft. Hood??????
Some people are like slinkies, their good for nothing but make you smile when you push them down stairs.
Obama's Pastor must be jumping with joy and preparing his Sun sermon to glorify this idiot that killed all these innocent defenders of freedom.
I'll be willing to bet Obama is also celebrating this silently.
Strength and Honor
Have you not been listening to the news since 9/11 for this is not the first military compound that has been targeted or hit, and since President OBama/Congress doesn't want to secure our borders on either sides we will be targeted as soon as our home weapons are taken away, then they will strike even more so, until then the Armed Civilian American is a danger to their cause.
American need to make a stand against tyranny and corruption!
Our government has trampled over the people and asked us to be tolerant while they have continued to destroy our country all in the name of GREED. At the end of each questionable act of corruption with our government and politicians, ask yourself could the reason for this be GREED? Answer, YES. Greed is the root of all CORRUPTION and LYING.
If you don't own weapons or guns, you might want to think about arming yourself before your rights to bear arms are removed by your politicians and president.
The battlefield has been in America for years. WAKE UP!
...think about it
Hey MyOpinion4U,
The battle field is already in America. Think about it.
You can't use reason to argue someone out of a position that he/she didn't get into by reason.
American need to make a stand against tyranny and corruption!
Pearl Harbor
Civil war
Revolutionary War
French-Indian War...
Bit late on the never thing.
Also
/shakes fist at the reply button not working
Banhammer of the mods crits you for over 9000!!!
You can stop shaking your fist, the reply button works again. :)
You can't use reason to argue someone out of a position that he/she didn't get into by reason.
/end fist shake.
Banhammer of the mods crits you for over 9000!!!
You've got to include Sept 11th in there. FYI you really can't say the French-Indian War occurred on USA soil. That war happened 10-15 years before the United States became a nation. But your correct in calling MY4U out with everything else.
Banhammer of the mods crits you for over 9000!!!
My infinite wisdom is only overshadowed by my modesty
The battle field I am talking about IS the one with Al-Qaeda and other groups. They are here and plotting their moves. They are everywhere and thankfully, some of their plots are squashed. Maybe you won't see suicide bombers at malls and sports areas, but they have other ways to do their dirty work.
DON'T KID YOURSELF!!!
You can't use reason to argue someone out of a position that he/she didn't get into by reason.
My infinite wisdom is only overshadowed by my modesty
Like butterflies, little girls need no excuse
I was a soldier. Private Foster is a Private First Class, not a Staff Sargeant. It mentions in the article that it was Private Foster himself that helped others, and didn't know that he was shot himself for 20 minutes.
Like butterflies, little girls need no excuse
God bless the Foster family, im so glad Private Foster will be okay.
“All creatures great and small, GOD created one and all.“
“All creatures great and small, GOD created one and all.“
As the wife of a soldier I am heartbroken for the loss of these men and women that had dedicated themselves to the protection of our country and civil rights. I pray for the quick recovery of those that were physically and emotionally wounded. I pray that one mans loss of reality doesn't provoke insanity, bigotry and hate from citizens that are watching these procedings.
Like butterflies, little girls need no excuse
I am going to repeat something to you that I was impressed to tell one of "My Guys" a few years ago.
While serving in Iraq, a soldier in my husbands unit had an accident that broke his neck. He was not paralyzed but did have to come back to the states and have surgery. He was treated very well and did make a very good recovery.
While recovering, he helped with the units Family Readiness Program. He and I spoke several times. He did not understand why he was here, why it had happened, and why he could not have continued to help his fellow unit members.
I told him he may never know the reason that these things happened to him, but that he should believe that he was here for a reason. He was needed here. He was still fully serving his unit but just in a different way. He help the families which in turn helped the soldiers serving because they new he was here helping.
I don't know if these words will give you any comfort, but I hope that they will.
Take care and know that you are needed.
GW
Thats the Democrats for ya...
-Abe Simpson
WHERE HAVE ALL THE YOUNG MEN GONE GONE TO WAR EVERY ONE WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN. GOD PLEASE FREE THE WORLD FROM WAR.
Holy Shiz.......... You forgot the little yellow arm bands and badges...
Get out of this country with your nazi BS.
You are the reason why Muslims and most of the world consider the U.S.A a bunch of rednecks.
We have been burned enough times, lets start being as smart as most two year olds and recognize HOT when we see it. I know not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are muslims. Whether you were born muslim, or were delusional enough to convert to it, I'm watchin you.
Also, do not expect fat-cat politicians from either party to protect your family and friends from these dangers. Their policies will continue to endanger our lives and the lives of our men and women in uniform.
The Founding Fathers realized an armed citizenry (apart from the government) would be essential to a free and secure state.
mags
THIS GUY WENT THRU ALL OF THAT infact he was a mental health expert.. (meaning he knew all to well the realities of war and the traumatic effects it could have on you, not saying thats justifiable for what he did but what your saying needs to be done is already being done except it includes EVERYONE.
I would screen The farmboy from Kansas just as I would the Muslim from Michigan..
(You have heard about Soldiers stealing military surplus and then selling it to the black market or right wing extremist groups (can you say Oklahoma City?)
i've got a 7-11 down the street...two guys from India work there, one is a Hindu, the other a Muslim..i can't tell which is which by looking at them. am i going to quit going to 7-11's now?
ok..some nut case comes out and says i hate all American's and want them to die, sure..be fearful of them... but i think the smarter terrorists that live in the US are a little more sneaky than that.
in this case the shooter actually did write some anti-american crap and FBI knew about it. but i'm sure most people that came on contact with him didn't.
mags
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This story is a smashed up version of two stories. KSL, where are your editors?
Why can't we accept the fact that we are at war with Islam? Islam knows it's at war with America. Obviously. This doesn't mean we need to kill every Muslim on the face of the planet, any more than we needed to kill every German or Japanese. But we must defeat Islam. It's not just a religion. It's a culture, a government, and everything else.
Get a clue, people. We didn't recruit soldiers from Germany or Japan during the war. Why are we recruiting Muslims now? And then we act all surprised when they attack us? The man was just doing his job as a soldier. If you're at war, and you are surrounded by your enemies and you're holding a gun, you shoot. It seems obvious to me. Just like the Muslim who fragged officers in Iraq early on in the war. You give the enemy a bunch of grenades and turn him loose in your headquarters? Then you're shocked when he blows you up? You're pretty stupid.
Just as we couldn't trust a solider whose allegiance was to Hitler or Tojo, neither can we trust a soldier whose first loyalty is to Allah.
In other news: The world is round. The sky is blue. 2 + 2 = 4. If there are any other crashingly obvious facts I can point out, please let me know. I've got a bunch of 'em.
I don't know what U.S History your familiar with..... but FYI.
Research "442nd Regimental Combat Team" They saved over 200 AMERICAN lives. Japanese American OR NOT.
And I guess you forgot about all the Germany scientist that fled the Nazi regime
J. Robert Oppenheimer
Albert Einstein
Enrico Fermi
just to name a few.......
“A Voice Of Reason In An Unreasonable World“
In Response. Since I am unable to reply to your original post.
Why exactly would you feel more safe around the "farm boy" as opposed to an arab? (US Born or not it doesnt matter")
I sense a little xenophobia.
mags
Being afraid of things that are dangerous to you is part of the survival instinct. I think muslims are dangerous to Americans. Call it xenophobic if you like, I call it smart.
mags
I'm calling a spade a spade. As I said earlier, I know not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are muslims. Call it xenophobic if you must - I'm gonna be wary of muslims. This guy proves any and all of them could be harboring the anti-american terrorist agenda deep in their twisted little hearts.
mags
“A Voice Of Reason In An Unreasonable World“
[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
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Thats the Democrats for ya...
-Abe Simpson