Weber County residents pushing to get crosswalk near high school
It's been talked about for years: the need for a crosswalk at U.S. 89 and 4400 South near Bonneville High in South Ogden. Now, people on both sides of the issue are working to prevent another pedestrian accident on this high-speed road. March 15th, 2009 @ 9:57pm
By Nicole Gonzales
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Why not just get a can of white paint and make a crosswalk. Don't ask, just do it.
@Marc M. - What is happening to the youth of today? Why do they think the world revolves around them? Is it because we have set it up that way? What ever happened to the good old days of running for your life? Isn't that a good life lesson to be taught? Ultimately that is what happens after you get out of school. The race is on. You've got Obongo after your money, you've got the threat of health and welfare coming and taking your family away, you've got to fight to get the food to help them and you live. Let's stop welfare in its tracks. No crosswalk. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!
I think we should have crosswalks everywhere, at all intersections so everywhere is a safe place to walk. They should put orange flags there too. Everyone knows that a little paint and orange flag will prevent people from ever being hit by cars.
@R K. - Cross walks should be at intersections only! You always hear about poeple getting hit at the ones that just suddenly appear out of know were. I lived in another state that did not have many and you never heard of poeple getting hit. you cross at a cross walk and you seem to think your safe? YOUR NOT! you need to teach your kids to be on the defensive when crossing in them! The idiot behind the first car that stopped seems to aways go around him putting them in danger! BE DEFENSIVE!
@vince c - I agree, crosswalks are a hazard, especially for children. There used to be one on 7800 south in Midvale just as you were coming up the hill after crossing under I-15. I can't tell you how many close calls I saw there with children AND adults. Luckily, someone finally got smart enough and had it removed.
Hey, too bad they couldn't have "moved it" to Ogden!
Hey, too bad they couldn't have "moved it" to Ogden!
forgo the NORM and have stuff done for them, and break the rules that DETERMINE WHEN IT IS JUSTIFIED. No dont give them one. They should drive their kids to school if that is the only issue
@MyOpinion4U - I am NOT one of the "HUH?" votes..
But I have to ask, after seeing so many of your postings for so long, What is in your crack pipe?
I appreciate your comments when they make sense..but they are few and far between...
I think KSL keeps your log-in active just for the fact that it perks up the interest of knowledgable people in a subject you have NO clue about.
Please, in the future, prove me that I am wrong.
But I have to ask, after seeing so many of your postings for so long, What is in your crack pipe?
I appreciate your comments when they make sense..but they are few and far between...
I think KSL keeps your log-in active just for the fact that it perks up the interest of knowledgable people in a subject you have NO clue about.
Please, in the future, prove me that I am wrong.
@Shasta - but save your physco BABBLE for your own family and friends and if you dont agree with me that is your RIGHT OK, I will not lose sleep over what you think, SORRY
@MyOpinion4U - Not everyone can drive and UDOT avoiding this serious safety issue is putting children who have no other option in harms way
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
#1 - the government cannot give anything unless it first takes from somebody else.
#2 - when the folks that do this poll ask "would you like government to do XYZ?" - do they also ask "ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY MORE IN TAXES FOR THIS?"
#3 - Where does it say that government will provide life, liberty and the pursuit of a crosswalk???
#4 - after the government decides to build this Britney Spears (BS) job, who do you think will maintain it???
The only thing worse than asking government to fund everything are the people that EXPECT government to do everything.
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#2 - when the folks that do this poll ask "would you like government to do XYZ?" - do they also ask "ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY MORE IN TAXES FOR THIS?"
#3 - Where does it say that government will provide life, liberty and the pursuit of a crosswalk???
#4 - after the government decides to build this Britney Spears (BS) job, who do you think will maintain it???
The only thing worse than asking government to fund everything are the people that EXPECT government to do everything.
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@KKB - I'm familiar with a lot of anti-(big)-government philosophy, but I fail to see where you are coming from. Sure, a crosswalk would cost money, but maintaining and improving roads, including pedestrian access to the roads, is an inherently government function by even the most libertarian standards. Expecting the government to install a crosswalk is a far cry from "expect[ing the] government to do everything."
A new crosswalk does not necessarily require more taxes. It may just mean cancelling or delaying some other project that isn't deemed to be as high of a priority (for example by delaying the resurfacing of a section of road). It's a matter of making a list of priorities and making sure that the most important ones get funded.
A new crosswalk does not necessarily require more taxes. It may just mean cancelling or delaying some other project that isn't deemed to be as high of a priority (for example by delaying the resurfacing of a section of road). It's a matter of making a list of priorities and making sure that the most important ones get funded.
If they want a crosswalk then get it aproved by whoever but dont expect everyone else to pay for it.
Maybe we can look at the other side of this. Everyone complains that the kids are getting to fat. They want to take out all the candy out of the vending machines and replace it with apples and other wholesome foods. Why not just make them walk that extra mile?
Maybe we can look at the other side of this. Everyone complains that the kids are getting to fat. They want to take out all the candy out of the vending machines and replace it with apples and other wholesome foods. Why not just make them walk that extra mile?
they mean something more elaborate than just two painted stripes across the road!! Do they want a traffic light? A skywalk? What?
I've seen that intersection and quite a few kids trying to cross 89. UDOT already stops traffic heading north with a traffic light that they put in after the last fatality of a high school girl. But hey, I guess driving 50 mph is more important than giving kids a safe way to walk to school.
I guess the ones that can't drive, afford a car or get driven just won't be able to go to school. They'll end up about as literate as most of the people posting on this article.
Why does the school district put schools in areas and require kids to cross major roads anyway?
I guess the ones that can't drive, afford a car or get driven just won't be able to go to school. They'll end up about as literate as most of the people posting on this article.
Why does the school district put schools in areas and require kids to cross major roads anyway?
@manfromutah - You got the right message. Thanks. UDOT cost estimate seem way out of line and with their past history it could be a scare tactic.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Highway 40 in the Uinta Basin badly needs a 4 lane road...On this construction you've started/stopped/started/stopped and stopped some more.
But with how important a childs life is crossing a street, especially one as busy as Hwy89, I am sure that Parents in the Basin would forgo the costs 4 lanes so that a child in So. Ogden/Washington Terrace
Can safely cross over a bridge....I could care less the cost if only 5 children a week cross the bridge, as long as they stay safe.
So take your budget from us in the Basin build a bridge...(like the many on Bangerter Hwy)and keep a family from having to go thru a childs death/injury and don't tell me there is NO budget for it. Because WE in the Basin will be at your front door.
But with how important a childs life is crossing a street, especially one as busy as Hwy89, I am sure that Parents in the Basin would forgo the costs 4 lanes so that a child in So. Ogden/Washington Terrace
Can safely cross over a bridge....I could care less the cost if only 5 children a week cross the bridge, as long as they stay safe.
So take your budget from us in the Basin build a bridge...(like the many on Bangerter Hwy)and keep a family from having to go thru a childs death/injury and don't tell me there is NO budget for it. Because WE in the Basin will be at your front door.
@Shasta - This is HIGH SCHOOL kids. They should know how to cross the streey by now. Man lets hold their hands..Poor babys....Give me a break.
@I am not crazy - Obviously you are an adult would you consider a place you needed to cross twice a day safe it it took you 33.33 seconds to safely cross and there is only a gap time between cars of 10 seconds. Yes one could and can walk the extra distance of one and a quarter miles on a an unsafe dirt trail. That is not the whole issue. UDOT could have installed a lighted crosswalk when the placed the light there in 2003 for very little extra cost. There two issues; Why didn't they make it safe at that time, then make it illegal when two other similar intersection with less safety do not have the same signs. Second This crossing is the only place out of South Ogden going to the school and more than school children use it.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Maybe the City could look into Grants, and because there has been lose of life from lack of a CrossWalk
maybe a few other ways to fund this could be looked into.
maybe a few other ways to fund this could be looked into.
@Deanna A. - Good idea about grants we will check up on this suggestion. Thanks
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Stoplights at this intersection? Can't there be a crosswalk there?
I am confused ...
I am confused ...
@Rusty Nail - The light they are talking about is at 4400 south. Which is in a northern direction (away from the school). From the road they aproach from, toward Hwy 89 toward the high school at 4800 south which is a southern route. Teens are gonna walk (against traffic) to where they can cross directly west to the school. With NO crosswalk, No streetlight or crossing guard.
As far as having a crosswalk.....would you feel safe crossing this highway because some white paint looked like piano keys across the road?
As far as having a crosswalk.....would you feel safe crossing this highway because some white paint looked like piano keys across the road?
@Rusty Nail - You are confused? You are so because the real facts have not been brought to public attention before now. We have been fighting UDOT for five years and because we have not obtained attention from them we are taking this issue to the public. When they say they do not have the funding priority it is because for five years the have not given this crossing the time of day.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
$250,000 they must mean a walk over the street. Yes that way a pedestrian would never be hit. Put in sidewalks did he say, oh I have heard of those, they put a sidewalk in front of your house and make you pay for it. Hmmm and how will a side walk save a life of a child hit by a car. He did not look to bold when he said there was no money for it. My blood is boiling. Community action group, sounds like a good old fashion name for a lynching, YES. $250.00 that still does not sound like that much and I am a poor boy. $250,000 lets take up a collection (by some honest city official) so the money does not go elsewhere and is recorded correctly. geeze where could put the extra money or how could they recoup the loss, A FINE. If you are caught not crossing over the street it is automatic $500.00 fine. Come on people get off your DONKEY and just do it.
@PoorInnocentGuy - 250,000 is an unrealistic figure to remove a 4' section of clurb, add two pedestrian lights, and replace two traffic lights. There may be some extra cost to upgrade the electronics but their estimate seems way high.
You comment that life should take precedence is so right When you consider UDOT has budgeted for cameras and new sidewalk in that are and neither have even close the life safety issue this crossing does it is not money that is UDOT's real reason.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
You comment that life should take precedence is so right When you consider UDOT has budgeted for cameras and new sidewalk in that are and neither have even close the life safety issue this crossing does it is not money that is UDOT's real reason.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Does anyone know how much installing a crosswalk costs? And are there gradations within that cost, the white stripes, versus the deluxe chirping flashing lights? It could be doable with if it's limited to white stripes.
They're asking for help making their kids safe.
They're asking for help making their kids safe.
@Margene Hendrickson - Yes it is much more than white lines. Yes the cost estimate is way high and should not cost that amount.
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
Get the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
We fought for one in Layton, informed the district someone would get killed, and untill that happened, no crosswalk.
@Sneaky Pete - Do you know why one was installed after a death? It is because a point system is used not common sense. After learning how this point system works I no wonder how many people's lives or injuries a new light had to give it enough points to qualify. This is a state and national problem and we should not have our lives put in harms way because someone is counting beans. If all beans were counted it should include the costs of emergency services to handle the accidents and the cost would prove a more liberal evaluation. Regardless why should our lives be jeopardized because of counting beans?
See the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
See the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
From what it said in an article in the Standard Examiner about this subject, in order to put the crosswalk in they would have to put a light in to stop south bound traffic. At the intersection of 89 and 4400 there is a stop light that stops northbound traffic but not south so that change would have to be made in order to install the crosswalk, and they would only have to install about 50 yards of sidewalk. I don't know how much that all costs but $250,000 seems a little exagerated. I live in the area an know the intersection and would use the crosswalk frequently and I am not even a HS student. When did traffic flow outweigh pedestrian safety
@April B - Are these guys STUPID, or do they just want us to think so?
2 4x4 treated lumber posts - about $20
2 2'x2' steel panels - about $30
1 enough yellow paint for both - no more than $40.00/gallon for the best stuff you can find
Enough wire to get to a power source and a switch to turn it on and off - no more than $250.00
One on-staff city electrician to hook it all up - $0
5 gallons of white paint for stripes - $100.00 at most
Some on-staff politician to grandstand - $0.
2 4x4 treated lumber posts - about $20
2 2'x2' steel panels - about $30
1 enough yellow paint for both - no more than $40.00/gallon for the best stuff you can find
Enough wire to get to a power source and a switch to turn it on and off - no more than $250.00
One on-staff city electrician to hook it all up - $0
5 gallons of white paint for stripes - $100.00 at most
Some on-staff politician to grandstand - $0.
@April B - You are so right but the UDOT statements are not factual and are designed to distract everyone attention.
The cost seems very exaggerated and from UDOT's responses the last 5 years I suspect they are using it to mislead people.
See the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
The cost seems very exaggerated and from UDOT's responses the last 5 years I suspect they are using it to mislead people.
See the facts at http://crossing89.com
Joe Holmes webmaster
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