Box Elder County jail charging inmates $10 a day
Inmates at the Box Elder County jail
are now being charged $10 a day for their incarceration. March 3rd, 2009 @ 8:18am
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if i dont pay my 10 bucks a day , you will put me back in jail in charge me 10 more bucks a day, seems like a vicious cycle to me. and how can you get blood out of a rock? box elder needs to go outside their county and hire some brain power i think? that is my opinion 4 u
@MyOpinion4U - Why should the taxpayer keep footing the bill the place people in jail who cannot and refuse to follow the laws? Maybe if they understand that it is no longer free for 3 hots and a cot maybe they will want to think twice about breaking the law. If not then let them pay for it instead of the rest of us.
@LostinSLC - Exactly LostinSLC: doesn't BoxElder have a large transient rate? Homeless people intentionally get locked up for the night or two because it's a sure thing for a shower and a free meal. I say do the same thing in Salt Lake!
@Kyle1313 - Take someone down on there luck and homeless and then charge them for a place to get out of the cold. I hope things go well for you and you never have to be without a home.
As far as the real criminals it seems this system is all about the money and not reform. My bet would be that this charging 10 bucks would lead more taxpayers money wasted. Our jail and prison systems have become a joke and just a warehouse designed to make a buck and not correctional institutions as intended.
As far as the real criminals it seems this system is all about the money and not reform. My bet would be that this charging 10 bucks would lead more taxpayers money wasted. Our jail and prison systems have become a joke and just a warehouse designed to make a buck and not correctional institutions as intended.
@LostinSLC - More people in jail in the USA than any other country in the world. 1/4 of the worlds prison population is right here in the US. This hard line stance all you people take on NON VIOLENT!! people is not working. Murderes and rapists who cares throw away the key but non violent we need to help these people turn thier lives around. We cannot just keep locking people up.
@sjkmware - since Mexico has pretty much got rid of its penal system, American has taken on MORE RESPONSIBLITY as a good neighbor OK
@MyOpinion4U - bus all of our criminals to the RIO GRANDE and give them a balloon to serve as a life preservor and tell them to hit the water and swim to MEXICO, and after their sentence is UP 5 yrs or whatever , then we will permit them back into the US. of course we would have to beef up guards along the border and make sure someone checked their names off before re entering the US, but better than trying to collect 10 bucks a day FROM PEOPLE will go out and steal if or hurt someone to get it to pay the government back with. but whatever , i have many many great un tabbed solutions to soecity's ILLS but i am bored so GET LOSS
@MyOpinion4U - bus all of our criminals to the RIO GRANDE and give them a balloon to serve as a life preservor and tell them to hit the water and swim to MEXICO, and after their sentence is UP 5 yrs or whatever , then we will permit them back into the US. of course we would have to beef up guards along the border and make sure someone checked their names off before re entering the US, but better than trying to collect 10 bucks a day FROM PEOPLE will go out and steal if or hurt someone to get it to pay the government back with. but whatever , i have many many great un tabbed solutions to soecity's ILLS but i am bored so GET LOSS
@sjkmware - Sorry but I have to disagree. People need to be held responsible for their actions. If they break the law, they should be punished. Furthermore, they need to help themselves before anyone else should help them.
@Vettes4ever - “End Prohibition Now!”
By Retired Narcotics Undercover Officer, Jack A. Cole,
I represent LEAP (law enforcement against prohibition) an international
nonprofit educational organization that was created to give voice to all the
current and former members of law enforcement who believe the war on drugs
is a failed policy and who wish to support alternative policies that will lower
the incidence of death, disease, crime and addiction — four categories of harm
that were supposed to be alleviated by the war on drugs but which in truth were
made infinitely worse by that war. We went public with out speakers’ bureau in
January 2003 and have grown from our five founding members to over 8,500.
LEAP has 100 speakers; a powerful and respected Advisory Board, made up of
a U.S. Governor, four sitting Federal District Court judges, a sheriff, five
former police chiefs, the Mayor of Vancouver, British Colombia who is retired
from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the former Attorney General of
Colombia, South America and from the United Kingdom, a former Chief
Constable and a Detective Chief Investigator of Scotland Yard who was
operational head of narcotic task forces for all of England.
The first thing I need to tell you good people is that the U.S. policy of a
“war on drugs” has been, is, and forever will be, a total and abject failure. This
is not a war on drugs, this is a war on people — our own people — our
children, our parents, ourselves.
For more:
http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_08-03-08.pdf
By Retired Narcotics Undercover Officer, Jack A. Cole,
I represent LEAP (law enforcement against prohibition) an international
nonprofit educational organization that was created to give voice to all the
current and former members of law enforcement who believe the war on drugs
is a failed policy and who wish to support alternative policies that will lower
the incidence of death, disease, crime and addiction — four categories of harm
that were supposed to be alleviated by the war on drugs but which in truth were
made infinitely worse by that war. We went public with out speakers’ bureau in
January 2003 and have grown from our five founding members to over 8,500.
LEAP has 100 speakers; a powerful and respected Advisory Board, made up of
a U.S. Governor, four sitting Federal District Court judges, a sheriff, five
former police chiefs, the Mayor of Vancouver, British Colombia who is retired
from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the former Attorney General of
Colombia, South America and from the United Kingdom, a former Chief
Constable and a Detective Chief Investigator of Scotland Yard who was
operational head of narcotic task forces for all of England.
The first thing I need to tell you good people is that the U.S. policy of a
“war on drugs” has been, is, and forever will be, a total and abject failure. This
is not a war on drugs, this is a war on people — our own people — our
children, our parents, ourselves.
For more:
http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_08-03-08.pdf
@Vettes4ever - sjkmware doesn't understand that burglary, white collar crimes, prostitution are non-violent crimes but should be punished as well with jail time. If someone comes into your home and robs you and then they just receive a fine, where is the justice for the victim?
What would sjkmware suggest help these types of criminals? Maybe a group hug? How about a camping trip to discuss their feelings? Maybe that will put them on the right track.
The fact is even non-violent offenders need to know that losing the most precious thing of all, their freedom is at stake and they need to hold themselves accountable.
What would sjkmware suggest help these types of criminals? Maybe a group hug? How about a camping trip to discuss their feelings? Maybe that will put them on the right track.
The fact is even non-violent offenders need to know that losing the most precious thing of all, their freedom is at stake and they need to hold themselves accountable.
@sjkmware - Most are drug offenses which cost our country in jails, police, DEA, medical costs, and thousands murdered due to drug lords. You legalize the drugs then only alow the government to grow and sell them in liquer stores, you save on jails, police, DEA, thousands live now that drug lords have to get real jobs. Use the money to pay for hospital costs, and treatment costs of those who need help, plus education. People will use either way. We all know that prohibition didn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with drugs. Gangsters ravaged, plundered, murdered and government officials were fully corrupted due to prohibition in the 20's. Now we have the same situation in Mexico but due to our prohibition of drugs. Legalizing alcohol solved that problem in America, legalizing drugs will do the same.
@curtisb - Since people continue to break the law, just change the law and make their actions legal.
Great philosophy... (not)...
Great philosophy... (not)...
@sjkmware - who then pays for the "...non violent, we need to help these people turn their lives around...". The state does have one for non-violent drug users who's crime rises to the level of a felony called DORA, but it is on the block to be axed. Yet where are these people when they are not locked up? Next door to you and me, mingling in society.
And another point, having read much and seen some people addicted to drugs go from petty theft (shoplifting) to burglary (home invasion when the occupants are not at home) to mail theft (stealing check out of the mail to wash to stealing checks from home invasions or purse snatching) to theft identity and then up to armed robbery and armed burglary. Although the first four points are not violent crime (as the last two are), tell me how these first four crimes are not life altering crimes, either for the criminal (watch the progression) to the victims (ever had your identity stolen, house broken into)? The most effective intervention has to occur at the lowest level; yet a percentage (and that percentage is up for debate; I personally feel it is about 60%) will continue to commit either until they learn that the rewards of the crime are outweighed by the repercussions (probation, jail/prison time, social pressure) or that offender is rendered unable to commit crime (jail/prison time, disability, physical inability or death). But where and when each person learns this life lesson is different. And what entity is the only one that is bound to administer to this individual from cradle to grave? Government. Prison is an adult version of time out.
And another point, having read much and seen some people addicted to drugs go from petty theft (shoplifting) to burglary (home invasion when the occupants are not at home) to mail theft (stealing check out of the mail to wash to stealing checks from home invasions or purse snatching) to theft identity and then up to armed robbery and armed burglary. Although the first four points are not violent crime (as the last two are), tell me how these first four crimes are not life altering crimes, either for the criminal (watch the progression) to the victims (ever had your identity stolen, house broken into)? The most effective intervention has to occur at the lowest level; yet a percentage (and that percentage is up for debate; I personally feel it is about 60%) will continue to commit either until they learn that the rewards of the crime are outweighed by the repercussions (probation, jail/prison time, social pressure) or that offender is rendered unable to commit crime (jail/prison time, disability, physical inability or death). But where and when each person learns this life lesson is different. And what entity is the only one that is bound to administer to this individual from cradle to grave? Government. Prison is an adult version of time out.
@MyOpinion4U - Shut up, your and Idiot.
@Malygos - Your approach aint working. And you know what from what we have seen of our lawmakers the last few years I really dont have any faith in what they consider against the law. When are people like you going to wake up and realize that just because you dont agree with someone else's actions does not mean you are right. Someone wants to abuse drugs at home and they are not doing anything that affects you guess what STAY OUT OF IT!!! Its none of your buisness. USA land of the free yet we have more people in jail than any other country in the world HUH
@sjkmware - So, using your logic, if a father is sexually abusing their child at home, we should stay out of it?
Oh, someone can be cited for public intoxication in their own home. Check out Utah Criminal Code 76-9-701, paragraph 1, "A person is guilty of intoxication if the person is under the influence of alcohol, a controlled substance, or any substance having the property of releasing toxic vapors, to a degree that the person may endanger the person or another, in a public place or in a private place where the person unreasonably disturbs other persons."
Oh, someone can be cited for public intoxication in their own home. Check out Utah Criminal Code 76-9-701, paragraph 1, "A person is guilty of intoxication if the person is under the influence of alcohol, a controlled substance, or any substance having the property of releasing toxic vapors, to a degree that the person may endanger the person or another, in a public place or in a private place where the person unreasonably disturbs other persons."
@King43 - Yes I agree with abusing children come on you dope!!! Bottom Line is over 50% of the prison population is for drug use. If I use drugs and dont do anything to hurt you or anyone else then yes YOU SHOULD STAY OUT OF MY BUISNESS!!!! The same people that are making our laws are not paying taxes, taking money on the side and doing many illegal things themselves so yes I question why something is illegal all the time with the exception of murder, rape, etc.
@sjkmware - The key to your statement is "IF" I use drugs and don't do anything to hurt you or anyone...". If is not a word that I want to take a chance on. There are plenty of people besides lawmakers who don't pay taxes, take money on the side and do many illegal things. Remember, they are people to. They make mistakes. Not that I like politicians but...
The problem with drug use is that people always say that it is "their" business. It is their business, but when you hear reports of people with claw hammers threatening to kill people, it doesn't exactly help the cause of legalizing narcotics.
The problem with drug use is that people always say that it is "their" business. It is their business, but when you hear reports of people with claw hammers threatening to kill people, it doesn't exactly help the cause of legalizing narcotics.
@sjkmware - now I'm an idiot and a dope for pointing out a flaw in your logic. Any sexual abuse is a crime, no matter where it is committed. Any use of illegal drugs is a crime, no matter where it is committed.
This just so happens to be where the bright line in the sand is drawn. If the line is moved by legislative edict, then fine. Watch the end of the 1987 movie The Untouchables. When Kevin Costner's character, Eliot Ness, is asked what he is going to do now that Prohibition has been repealed, what does he reply? "I think I'll have a drink." When the change legally occurs, so be it. Until then, we proceed as now stated.
As to questioning why something is illegal, this is a good thing. This is why certain laws have been repealed, having passed their useful life. This may be one of them. But until a more effective, less victim involved, less costly solution is proffered, I say stick with what we have.
This just so happens to be where the bright line in the sand is drawn. If the line is moved by legislative edict, then fine. Watch the end of the 1987 movie The Untouchables. When Kevin Costner's character, Eliot Ness, is asked what he is going to do now that Prohibition has been repealed, what does he reply? "I think I'll have a drink." When the change legally occurs, so be it. Until then, we proceed as now stated.
As to questioning why something is illegal, this is a good thing. This is why certain laws have been repealed, having passed their useful life. This may be one of them. But until a more effective, less victim involved, less costly solution is proffered, I say stick with what we have.
@sjkmware - Does effect others, it has a toll on medical costs which are paid for by increases in inusrance. Everyone who buys insurance shares in those increases. It effects the family members of the abuser, plus if the abuse decides to go outside then he/she becomes a danger to society.
The idea of turn your head and let people do as they will, takes us back to the "wild west" days. I think people should be responsible and should be held accounatble for thier actions.
The idea of turn your head and let people do as they will, takes us back to the "wild west" days. I think people should be responsible and should be held accounatble for thier actions.
@Vettes4ever - Let ban hunting becasue if I get shot it could increase health cost cigarettes, gambling, driving I could get in an accident. Heck lets just lock everyone up then we dont have to worry about anyone breaking the law. People like you are so Narrow minded. You want to control everything and make everyone believe what you believe. BOTTOME LINE we have more people in jail than any other country PERIOD we need to think about that for a minute
@sjkmware - Here's a little advise. Quit the drugs, they kill brain cells, and will shorten your life. If you quit, then you won't have to worry about the laws us "narrow minded" people pass. After all, if there were not people who used / abused drugs, then we would not need to spend tax-payer money to write laws in an attempt to protect those people from themselves.
@Vettes4ever - we would need to spend tax-payer money to write laws in an attempt to protect people from people like you!
15 or so years ago when I volunteered at a local animal shelter we charged that much to house a dog in a chainlink kennel, and feed and water them.
So $10 a day for the inmates to have 3 square meals, their own bed, their TVs, their exercise yard with basketball courts and weightlifting equipment and so on is impressive how...?
So $10 a day for the inmates to have 3 square meals, their own bed, their TVs, their exercise yard with basketball courts and weightlifting equipment and so on is impressive how...?
@Lurkinlizard - They don't have TV's, and they get 1 hour to do anything out side their room, (other then eating)
if you ask me, this reminds me of the line
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
LET THEM WORK, let the do things, if you charge them, then when they will get out, they will have nothing, and will be pounded to pay, and will end up back in.
if you ask me, this reminds me of the line
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
LET THEM WORK, let the do things, if you charge them, then when they will get out, they will have nothing, and will be pounded to pay, and will end up back in.
@BYUROCKS - Where do you get your information? The 1 hour outside of a cell is only for those in lockdown, solitary, protective custody, whatever you want to call it. The rest are free to do as they please, with tv rooms, cable tv, weight rooms. Have you seen the email going around of the new Cook County, IL jail. Check it out. Pretty disturbing.
The fact that these people are ill-educated, as you put it, is their own choice. Granted, the education system could be better (as evidenced by those wonderful souls who participate in Leno's BAttle of the Jaywalk All-stars), but even those who fail to learn don't automatically turn to crime. It is those to lazy to learn or work that end up in prison.
I do agree. Let them work. Let them work off the debts, fines, restitution, by making roadbase. I'm fine with that.
The fact that these people are ill-educated, as you put it, is their own choice. Granted, the education system could be better (as evidenced by those wonderful souls who participate in Leno's BAttle of the Jaywalk All-stars), but even those who fail to learn don't automatically turn to crime. It is those to lazy to learn or work that end up in prison.
I do agree. Let them work. Let them work off the debts, fines, restitution, by making roadbase. I'm fine with that.
$10 bucks. What a bargain.
@wendiva - they lost their job going in and if they have committed a felony its quite hard to get a job after. If they charge then they should give a very reasonable time to pay it back and I am talking years.
They also have to pay for their probation when they get out this is a kick them when they are up and kick when they are down situation. How do they expect some one to pay $300 a month back to the state and probation and be able to pay their own bills?
They also have to pay for their probation when they get out this is a kick them when they are up and kick when they are down situation. How do they expect some one to pay $300 a month back to the state and probation and be able to pay their own bills?
@Serenity_May - Maybe they should have thought of all that BEFORE they comitted the crime. I like that they have to pay their own way, it's called responsibility.
@Vettes4ever - there are many ways to punish people jailing them should only be reserved for people that are a threat to others or themselves. With the amount of people we send to jail we are just producing more effective criminals.
And making them pay for their jail time is in a way punishing them twice for the same crime unless it has been ordered in the court proceedings.
And making them pay for their jail time is in a way punishing them twice for the same crime unless it has been ordered in the court proceedings.
@Serenity_May - On your last comment because I do agree with some of it. You are right that too many people go to jail when other punishments would work.
I still feel however, that those who are sent to jail should pay their way. Otherwise they are just a further burden on society.
I still feel however, that those who are sent to jail should pay their way. Otherwise they are just a further burden on society.
@Serenity_May - A great many of those in the county jail had only sporadic work, if any job at all, prior to going to jail. Those who can show that they are not a threat and who can do more good by staying out generally do. Those who have steady, secure jobs, generally avoid jail. It is those who bounce through life being fired from one menial job after another, and committing crimes in between who find themselves in and out of the correctional centers. They have shown they are willing to subsist only on what they can beg, borrow or steal and have no desire to improve. How do you propose we rehabilitate those who prefer the life they have chosen to one of success and productivity?
@Vettes4ever - Now days we are in the mode of YOU ARE GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT, one time a cop told me, "you can't prove you are innocent"
our current system is out of wrack, let the men work, and earn money, to pay for their things.
if you ask me, this reminds me of the line
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
LET THEM WORK, let the do things, if you charge them, then when they will get out, they will have nothing, and will be pounded to pay, and will end up back in.
our current system is out of wrack, let the men work, and earn money, to pay for their things.
if you ask me, this reminds me of the line
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
LET THEM WORK, let the do things, if you charge them, then when they will get out, they will have nothing, and will be pounded to pay, and will end up back in.
@Serenity_May - It is very simple don't break the law and you have no problem.
I would guess you are talking for experience, what were you in for.
$300.00 a month for food, shelter, utilities and entertainment. Wish we could get it all for that price.
Cry me a river dude
I would guess you are talking for experience, what were you in for.
$300.00 a month for food, shelter, utilities and entertainment. Wish we could get it all for that price.
Cry me a river dude
@Ladybandit - When time I was threeatend with some friends to go to jail, and one of the moms said, what if I fight ? and the cop said, YOU CAN NOT PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT!
@BYUROCKS - And you use that one example, if it is even true, to support the claim that the whole system is broken beyond repair? Just how many times did you watch Ever After, anyway?
"Opponents of the program say it will be counterproductive and that giving people a bill will encourage them to return to crime to pay their debt."
Their proposal is to give them a totally rent-free stay in a facility complete with indoor gymnasium, three square meals a day, no utility bill, and medical care as a "reward" for committing a crime in the first place.
Get real.
They SHOULD be responsible for the bill for staying there. They commit the crime to get there, they pay the bill. They commit another crime that lands them back in jail (which they probably will because $10 a day is still cheaper than the rent everywhere else), then raise their "rent" the next time around.
Before long, this jail will be the only affordable "housing facility" that does a back-ground check in order to prove that the person really is a criminal.
Their proposal is to give them a totally rent-free stay in a facility complete with indoor gymnasium, three square meals a day, no utility bill, and medical care as a "reward" for committing a crime in the first place.
Get real.
They SHOULD be responsible for the bill for staying there. They commit the crime to get there, they pay the bill. They commit another crime that lands them back in jail (which they probably will because $10 a day is still cheaper than the rent everywhere else), then raise their "rent" the next time around.
Before long, this jail will be the only affordable "housing facility" that does a back-ground check in order to prove that the person really is a criminal.
@justapeon - and far more motivated crime. They are going to become efficient, what out! Efficients and expeditifs if the game become paying for paying, loosers are goimg to be coming out of the woodwork with no redemption in mind... I am going to get me a dog, and a big fence, sell the house where we can't have fences because "it don't look charitable for the neighborhood..", put one of my sons in the police, one on the hill, and one in the medics, divorce the girl for better partys... I going to cover my...
@justapeon - I know people who have been in prison, there is no "gymnasium" there is no "three square meals a day" ON CHRISTMAS they got Bologna bacon, so don't give me this BS story to how they have all these things for free.
LET THE PEOPLE WORK, LET THEM EARN THE KEEP.
LET THE PEOPLE WORK, LET THEM EARN THE KEEP.
@BYUROCKS - these people who are in prison aren't paying out of pocket for their bologna bacon, are they? Who are they to complain that they aren't being treated with the optimal care if they are in there because they couldn't abide by the laws that govern a societal existance.
They lost their right to complain about how things are done when they chose not to abide by the laws that protect those rights.
They lost their right to complain about how things are done when they chose not to abide by the laws that protect those rights.
To Motel 6?
@Billy_Jack - Motel 6 nothing. How does it compare to the viaduct, the rescue mission, or the rathole apartment they were living in?
u do the crime,u stupid.I am so glad,should be at least 50.00 a day.but thats a start.Anybody thats stupid enough to land themselves in jail should pay 100%.no taxpayer money for ur stupidity!
@Mark O. - You don't have to be stupid to go to jail.
What happens when the task force gets the wrong address?
A 92 yr. old Florida woman got shot over 40 times because the task force had the wrong address.
Then the cops planted a baggie of Cannabis on this innocent woman. They got only 5 years for this murder and attempting to cover up the crime.
Meanwhile people in California are facing 20 years to life for legally providing medicine for cancer patients.
Wake up and smell the corruption people.
What about the dirty cops who plant drugs to get convictions?
With over 60,000 cases of police corruption pending right now, there's a good chance thousands of people are being unjustly jailed.
End prohibition before it bankrupts us further.
What happens when the task force gets the wrong address?
A 92 yr. old Florida woman got shot over 40 times because the task force had the wrong address.
Then the cops planted a baggie of Cannabis on this innocent woman. They got only 5 years for this murder and attempting to cover up the crime.
Meanwhile people in California are facing 20 years to life for legally providing medicine for cancer patients.
Wake up and smell the corruption people.
What about the dirty cops who plant drugs to get convictions?
With over 60,000 cases of police corruption pending right now, there's a good chance thousands of people are being unjustly jailed.
End prohibition before it bankrupts us further.
@FreedomForAll - I think you have spent too much time smoking your wacky-weed. Stop now while you still have a few brain cells left...
@Vettes4ever - After reading all 32 pages of this report like I did, look up all the references and read those.
http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_08-03-08.pdf
Then go read The Emperor wears no clothes, by Jack Herer.
Then come back and make an educated comment.
Dare you. Post references so I can see where your " logic" comes from.
http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_08-03-08.pdf
Then go read The Emperor wears no clothes, by Jack Herer.
Then come back and make an educated comment.
Dare you. Post references so I can see where your " logic" comes from.
Here's a little from an article from architects.
Reducing jail populations has become a fiscal necessity.
With over 800,000 petty drug arrests every year [ and climbing ] , it only makes sense to start there.
t is time to stop building prisons.
Our prison system is both a devastating moral blight on our society and an overwhelming economic burden on our tax dollars, taking away much needed resources from schools, health care and affordable housing. The prison system is corrupting our society and making us more threatened, rather than protecting us as its proponents claim. It is a system built on fear, racism, and the exploitation of poverty. Our current prison system has no place in a society that aspires to liberty, justice, and equality for all.
As architects, we are responsible for one of the most expensive parts of the prison system, the construction of new prison buildings. Almost all of us would rather be using our professional skills to design positive social institutions such as universities or playgrounds, but these institutions lack funding because of spending on prisons. If we would rather design schools and community centers, we must stop building prisons.
Please join members of Architects / Designers / Planners for Social Responsibility (ADPSR) in pledging to not participate in the design, construction, or renovation of prisons. We also invite you to learn more about the prison system, to join us in envisioning more just and productive alternatives to incarceration, and to work towards a society that treats all its members with dignity, equality, and justice.
Reducing jail populations has become a fiscal necessity.
With over 800,000 petty drug arrests every year [ and climbing ] , it only makes sense to start there.
t is time to stop building prisons.
Our prison system is both a devastating moral blight on our society and an overwhelming economic burden on our tax dollars, taking away much needed resources from schools, health care and affordable housing. The prison system is corrupting our society and making us more threatened, rather than protecting us as its proponents claim. It is a system built on fear, racism, and the exploitation of poverty. Our current prison system has no place in a society that aspires to liberty, justice, and equality for all.
As architects, we are responsible for one of the most expensive parts of the prison system, the construction of new prison buildings. Almost all of us would rather be using our professional skills to design positive social institutions such as universities or playgrounds, but these institutions lack funding because of spending on prisons. If we would rather design schools and community centers, we must stop building prisons.
Please join members of Architects / Designers / Planners for Social Responsibility (ADPSR) in pledging to not participate in the design, construction, or renovation of prisons. We also invite you to learn more about the prison system, to join us in envisioning more just and productive alternatives to incarceration, and to work towards a society that treats all its members with dignity, equality, and justice.
@FreedomForAll - I disagree that we should not build new prisons. There are plenty of violent offenders to justify new prison beds.
One thing that should change is how we deal with drug offenders. We need to put more money into drug treatment programs to get users off of drugs and increase the penalties for the sellers.
One thing that should change is how we deal with drug offenders. We need to put more money into drug treatment programs to get users off of drugs and increase the penalties for the sellers.
@FreedomForAll - Criminals need to be BEATEN with canes in jail. Then we wouldn't need to build more prisons.....
@FreedomForAll - Criminals need to be BEATEN with canes in jail. Then we wouldn't need to build more prisons.....
This makes for a cheap Motel!I believe crimminals should pay $75.00 a night. The taxpayer is tired of free room and board for law breakers.
All people in prisons and jails everywhere should be fed bread, water and moldy cheese and sleep on the cold floor!!
All people in prisons and jails everywhere should be fed bread, water and moldy cheese and sleep on the cold floor!!
@Motley Crew - If criminals actually had something to fear from committing a crime, they wouldn't commit crimes. Look at the example of that kid that was caned in singapore a decade ago. Do you think any more stupid american kids went and sprayed graffiti there after that? Nope. Maybe if the inmates can't pay the $75/day they should get 1 caning/day. 5-10 canings/day for rapists, murders and sodomizers.
@Motley Crew - Take away all chance for them to get a job, then make them pay money ?????
sounds like
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
sounds like
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
Increase violence against police officers, if any thing. And cooperation with authorities is not going to come cheap any more and them we will sue to sell our blood that we led a healthy life to keep it clean. etc... There is going to be some adjustments. But i am all for it. The best thing that could happen is that inmates be put to work. All them inmates and their families are going to go so far in debts that its just going to devaluate the price of money, and THAT I am all for. MOney is overate. It good that the govmt shows that it is working for himself because the citizenery is just to broke to afford it!
That's a great idea, stop wasting our hard earned tax dollars on these punks and make them fork out the cash! I support it!!!!
@pjonnie - Exactly... They should also take notes from Maricopa County Arizon. Feed them nothing but bologna sandwiches or peanut butter and jelly. If they want something else, they should have to pay for it.
@WJ84088 - Our prisons and jails should not be country club resorts, but tent with no heating or cooling.The borders of these facilties should be full of mines and a ditch with alligators and poisin water snakes
if a inmate cannot pay his/her $10.00 a day bill? keep them there.
@Cold - Remember the kid in singapore that got caned for graffiti? I'll bet he never did that again. If they can't pay, they should get caned. They'd never commit crimes again. We're way too soft on criminals.
@gray888 - cause its ok to beat people into submission lol.
@Serenity_May - Its just as ok as the criminals committing crimes. Holding the hands of criminals and babying them doesn't do anything.
@Serenity_May - Its just as ok as the criminals committing crimes. Holding the hands of criminals and babying them doesn't do anything.
@gray888 - there are so many people that shouldn't be in jail and many of those people who go to jail are much more likely to commit another crime.
We are creating a revolving door we need to fix our system.
We are creating a revolving door we need to fix our system.
@Serenity_May - If you ask me, to many good men are in jail, When time I was threatened with some friends to go to jail, and one of the moms said, what if I fight ? and the cop said, YOU CAN NOT PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT!
Makes me think of this.
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
Makes me think of this.
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
Is what Salt Lake County needs to do, everyone can eventually pay, don't tell me that these people live completely free in life, they get SSI, SS, welfare,paid under the table,pan handle you name it send Dept. of Recovery service after them and eventually they will pay. A large portion of Jail Inmates work Jobs on the outs, most choose to go the Jail time then pay the fine. If they had to pay they would choose not to come to Jail.
They are not the answer to collect.. those people can't find their butts with their hands.
Hire a real collector and they'll get the job done.
Hire a real collector and they'll get the job done.
So many people here advocating things that they would be unwilling to accept.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
This site seems to lack any Christians.
So many Mormons, so little Christ like posts.
What would Jesus do?
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
This site seems to lack any Christians.
So many Mormons, so little Christ like posts.
What would Jesus do?
@FreedomForAll - Don't forget that that Christ didn't give a free ride. He expects you to repent and make restitution. Jail is part of the restitution and laws of the land.
@FreedomForAll - ...... our schools and banned any public prayers to him. Seeing as how we are forbidden from teaching children about him it is doubtful that any of them even know what you are talking about.
I think Jesus would make asumptions as to who is posting on here not knowing their religious back ground. I say let them work for the money in Jail by setting up more in work programs in jail. This would give them an opportunity to give back to society and start gaining self repect by knowing how to do something when they get out
If they can’t provide the proper care, they already don't provide proper legal representation, then they have no business being in the prison business... and they better start paying above miniumn wage for services the inmates perform. If not they should stage a work strike. let the bureaucrats wear that on the side of their face.
Someone is arrested, goes to trial and is then found NOT GUILTY? Do they still have to pay $10 a day for their confinement? Or is this bill negated by the fact the person did not need the services provided by the jail? Not everyone in jail is guilty of the crime they have been charged with.
Convicted criminals should pay their way, instead of taking our hard earned $$$ to care for them. The government has been sticking a hand in our butt looking for loose change to pay for the problems of others for too long.
Convicted criminals should pay their way, instead of taking our hard earned $$$ to care for them. The government has been sticking a hand in our butt looking for loose change to pay for the problems of others for too long.
is better then nothing, but honest people cant go to a hotel and get 3 meals a day for ten dollars. I think that the fee needs to be higher. If they cant pay the fee make them do service hours and work the pay off. Better yet if they cant pay take away beds,food and other prevlages. If my kid runs out of money for school lunch after three days all he gets is a milk and a roll. This happend once now he remembers to tell me that he needs money for lunch. Maybe if we start this with inmates it will start detouring crimes.
Most people that obide by the laws can't get three meals, health care, clean clothing and a place to sleep for this rate. If you ask me it's about time that these counties start charging. Next year it should go to $15 a day. Cost of living.
Report Commentby Motley Crew @ 9:11am - Tue Mar 3rd, 2009
Hang them all. Problem solved!
Advocating murder and violence? It seems to me, ironically enough, that prisons were built to keep the rest of us safe from people just like you.
Hang them all. Problem solved!
Advocating murder and violence? It seems to me, ironically enough, that prisons were built to keep the rest of us safe from people just like you.
If you dont pay will you get evicted? Lets just save money and do things like the Sheriff in Phonex's Maricopa County
You guys are sadly mistaken and clearly hypocrits full of self pride andx righteousness and plain arrogance..
Do you think that just cause someone is arrested that they actually did something wrong?
I mean you guys are hateful mean spirited and full of spite.. You need help you are the last ones who should judge anyone ever let alone when you posess a wicked stone cold heart..
First off not everyone in jail should be there..
THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR SHOPLIFTING, NOT PAYING TRAX FARE, HAVING A VERBAL NON THREATENING CONVERSATION WITH YOUR SPOUSE EVEN THO IT WAS A MARRIED COUPLE DOING SOMETHING THATS HAPPENED SINCE TIME BEGAN NO VIOLENCE OCCURED..
TRAFFIC TICKETS LIKE NOT HAVING CURRENT TAGS/EXPIRED TAGS ETC..
SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE CRIMES BUT WORTHY OF JAIL I MEAN THEY ARE NOT CRIMES THAT DEMONSTRATE A THREAT TO ANYONE...
SERIOUSLY, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND TALK A WALK IN S0MEONE WHO HAD BEEN THERES SHOES BEFORE YOU PASS JUDGEMENT AND THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEST.
Do you think that just cause someone is arrested that they actually did something wrong?
I mean you guys are hateful mean spirited and full of spite.. You need help you are the last ones who should judge anyone ever let alone when you posess a wicked stone cold heart..
First off not everyone in jail should be there..
THEY ARE PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR SHOPLIFTING, NOT PAYING TRAX FARE, HAVING A VERBAL NON THREATENING CONVERSATION WITH YOUR SPOUSE EVEN THO IT WAS A MARRIED COUPLE DOING SOMETHING THATS HAPPENED SINCE TIME BEGAN NO VIOLENCE OCCURED..
TRAFFIC TICKETS LIKE NOT HAVING CURRENT TAGS/EXPIRED TAGS ETC..
SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE CRIMES BUT WORTHY OF JAIL I MEAN THEY ARE NOT CRIMES THAT DEMONSTRATE A THREAT TO ANYONE...
SERIOUSLY, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND TALK A WALK IN S0MEONE WHO HAD BEEN THERES SHOES BEFORE YOU PASS JUDGEMENT AND THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEST.
My son spent a weekend in BE jail 2 years ago and was charged for his "rent" there. This isn't a new policy.
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8:25am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
9:40am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
I completely agree that the prison system needs to change but i don't think charging inmates will help.
11:21am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
Most of these guys won't be able to pay anything.
9:55am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"
LET THEM WORK, let the do things, if you charge them, then when they will get out, they will have nothing, and will be pounded to pay, and will end up back in.
10:06am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
10:16am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
"prison, is a correctional institution used to detain persons who are in the lawful custody of the state."
How can they help correct if they give no chance? charge them, take away their power to pay back, then send them back to the "correctional institution" to rack up a bigger bill for us to foot.
IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE PEOPLE (tax payers) then teach them how to correct their lives, and become good tax paying, law abiding people.
11:37am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
You can't "save" anyone that doesn't want to be "saved"
And EVERYONE has chances. How many chances do people need to be given before we quit
10:42am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009
Welcome to the Hotel Box Elder County
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely face
They livin' it up at the Hotel Box Elder County
What a nice surprise, for only 10 bucks a night!!!
11:28am - Tue Mar 03rd, 2009