Gay marriage ban backlash: Calls for Utah boycott
Utah's growing tourism industry and the
star-studded Sundance Film Festival are being targeted for a
boycott by bloggers, gay rights activists and others seeking to
punish the Mormon church for its aggressive promotion of
California's ban on gay marriage. November 7th, 2008 @ 1:39pm
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I can't wait....have they already started the boycott?
Don't you just love threats??? I really had to chuckle when reading that all the supposed boycotts will be to "punish" the LDS Church. Well, all you boycotters, why don't you take the LDS Church over your knee and give it a good spanking??? Ooops, some of those protestors might enjoy spanking too much. Better try something else!!! ;)
They should also punish the Catholics by not going to Rome.
How come free speech by one group is not ok when it is against something you like, but free speech is ok when you do it? Double standard? Although I'm not part of the majority religion here, I see nothing wrong with a church (or any other group, for that matter) telling its members that a certain legal proposal on the table is or isn't something it supports, and encouraging its members to vote for it or against it. Every group in America does this to one degree or another. Suddenly they get all irate over one group practicing their first amendment rights? It is just hard for me to understand.
Oh, and boycotting Sundance? Please, boycott it!!! I wish the Church had done this years ago!
Parenthetically, why, really why, do the disbelievers who line that spacious building watch so intently what the believers are doing? Surely there must be other things for the scorners to do. Unless deep within their seeming disinterest. ..."
Bring it on!
I'm certain someone suggested they just boycott all LDS church meetings, but that didn't really seem to work...
Many people will see what they are doing and seek business with Utah. When AT&T donated a bunch of money the the homosexual cause, many of their customers left. It was a noticeable decrease in revenue. Several of my clients in other states made positive comments on what the LDS did.
Stay in California, I am sure we will be fine without your money, and your liberal BS anyway.
I'll bet most Californians can't even find Utaugh on a map.
This morning on KSL radio while driving I heard a protester mention if he moved from California to another state then that new state would not recognize his marriage in California.
I'm not sure he heard himself but that means the problem ISN'T with California but the other states needing to enact Domestic Partner laws and the Fed saying those marriages need to be recognized.
Just from another perspective.
And yes, I'm against Homosexual marriage and no, I'm not a homophobe. Otherwise I guess I wouldn't have friends who are Homosexual.
Love the sinner and hate the sin dudes.
I think you miss understand you have not lost anything. You have all the rights to live your life as you want to. Marriage would not give you any more rights. Those who support Proposition 8 clearly state they support your rights.
Everyone would lose rights if the definition of marriage were to be redefined. This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wXbu11145E. Explains whose rights would be lost the best if marriage were to be redefined!
This is not a rights issue. If gay couples already have the same rights as all other couples, why does it matter so much to have the label "marriage" if it doesn't bring you any other rights?
The majority in California has spoken, so Buzz off!
I wished the homosexual activists would just let it go, but they continue to push and push until people start to become very upset.
Let's this issue die!!!!
Before the ultimate victory of the forces of righteousness, some skirmishes will be lost. Even in these, however, let us leave a record so that the choices are clear, letting others do as they will in the face of prophetic counsel.
There will also be times, happily, when a minor defeat seems probable, but others will step forward, having been rallied to rightness by what we do. We will know the joy, on occasion, of having awakened a slumbering majority of the decent people of all races and creeds which was, till then, unconscious of itself.
Jesus said that when the fig trees put forth their leaves, 'summer is nigh' (Matt. 24:32). Thus warned that summer is upon us, let us not then complain of the heat!
Sambecks is obviously not one of those.
That is my entire issue.
And take a few civics courses while you're at it until you understand why we have a Constitution that protects the free exercise of Religion and the CHOICE to worship according to one's own conscience.
Good grief!
And to be clear and hopefully resolve the misconception, the LDS Church was not, at any time, "based off from" polygamy. It a was a minor practice amongst the early church members, but not even practiced for several years after the founding of the church. The "base" of the church is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Period.
How about this: The "mature and adult" way is to listen to and then show respect other's opinions, and then if you don't agree, you can express your opinions (without threats or supporting threats) and you move on.
Also to Sam, your repeated statements are very annoying. We get it, you think it is over and want them to drop it. It will not be dropped any sooner than you drop what you believe.
homosexual Pride Parades down major roads,
homosexual Pride Gatherings/Parties in public facilities (Parks).
The list can go on but I tire from even reading about this subject.
Honestly, I tire every time I see a gathering/parade.
California voted. It wasn't up to the LDS Church. It was up to California. It's time to get over it. Why not prepare for the next election?? Because they're not going to take the results back...this is just spiteful.
"Threatening some kind of punishment" IS an attempt to "force" things on people.
Think about it.
Live and let Live!!!!
Deb fro St Louis
For the most part I have seen where they live and let live, trying to be accepting. The problem with broad statements is that someone always gets caught in the middle.
People talk about tolerance in intolerant ways. They also say, "What does it matter what people do in private?". I will illustrate my point by asking this question: Does it make any difference whether doing something wrong, is OK if it's done in private, but not OK if done in public? If society believes something is wrong it does not matter if it is done in private or not. And if people believe in God, He doesn't cut any slack if a thing is public or private.
The same activists that demanded homosexual marriage be made legal also demanded that homosexuality be taught to kindergartners.
And frankly, the "gays" do bash us. What do think this whole protest of theirs is? They don't believe we should be allowed to express our beliefs!
Maybe if the gay-rights community didn't have elements that are as abhorrent as the extremists on the other side, maybe things would be better off. Instead we have both sides snarling and fighting each other...
I think it's pretty clear where race comes from and it's not a choice (unless you want to get anal about it and have some medical procedure... like Michael Jackson, to change your race... though I'm not sure his was intentional). You may want to treat sexual passion like it's not a choice, but then you will have to give the same sexual tendencies allowance for ALL sexual behavior, which gets crazy when you talk about criminal behavior like pedophilia and someone arguing that they have no choice because that sexual passion for children is built into their genes. Is it? Can you prove that pedophilia is not genetic???
The point is, there are very fundamental differences difference between sexual passions and race.
"You may want to treat sexual passion like it's not a choice, but then you will have to give the same sexual tendencies allowance for ALL sexual behavior, which gets crazy when you talk about criminal behavior like pedophilia and someone arguing that they have no choice because that sexual passion for children is built into their genes. Is it? Can you prove that pedophilia is not genetic???"
It doesn't help our moral argument to suggest an immoral solution. Concentration camps? Have some compassion, please.
Homosexuality is a behavior, not an identity. It is a behavior just like alcoholism, drug addiction, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and so on. And we can help those suffering with it by extending love, compassion and tolerance--not for the behavior, but for the individual.
Homosexuality is NOT simply a behavior. Is heterosexuality a behavior? No. Both are orientations, and behavior does not define orientation. And the only choice involved is whether or not people choose to live in the closet, or come out of it.
Humans by nature are carnivores. If a person lives their entire life only eating plants, it doesn't change the fact he is a carnivore. Same thing with sexuality. If a person is gay, they are GAY! They may go their entire life without laying a finger on a person of the same sex. Doesn't matter cuz behavior doesn't determine orientation.
Homosexuality IS a behavior, and those who engage in it CAN change. To say otherwise is to say we are slaves to our passions and have no moral agency. The fact is, many who have claimed at one time to be "gays" have turned around and become healthy functional "straights".
That is the dirty secret that homosexual activists don't want you to know. Many can and do change, proving that homosexuality is not irreversibly ingrained in their souls.
Yeah...(ahem)....so they "claim".
Just like all the married Mormon guys I know who get it on with other dudes all the time. They also "claim" to be straight.
I'm gay. Have been for as long as I can remember. Have NEVER been sexually attracted to women. But yet if I did nothing but have sex with women my whole life, it wouldn't change what was going on in my head and in my heart.
Dirty little secret? Yeah right. They "change" because they feel pressured to do so, and so they continue with their little act...many for their whole lives. Sad.
You don't want to. End of story.
Oh, and by the way. It's not an act for some of us. Some of us repent for reasons other that feeling "pressured". Some us really were unhappy in sin and knew what God wanted us to do.
And you have it all wrong. Having sex with women is not the "cure" for homosexuality. Like you said, it won't change what is in your head and in your heart. That is why Jesus Christ wants each of us to change our hearts and turn our minds to God.
I have dealt with these temptations, so stop denying that some of us have overcome them. Why? Because we earnestly desired to and NEVER GAVE UP!
By the way, as a professional, you were never gay, and magically found your way home. You were having a "Behavioral" moment. In lame man's terms, your bi. you still are. no amount of repenting will change that.
That's what sets human beings apart from every other creature on earth. Our self-awareness and ability to choose. There very well may be a homosexuality gene, just as there is an alcoholism gene and adultery gene and (more recently discovered) breaking-the-speed-limit gene, but that does not mean anyone is forced to choose that behavior.
What you do defines who you are, and (if you believe in God) homosexuality is taught in nearly every organized religion on the planet as a sin. Nearly every organized religion on the planet also has some variation of the teaching, "hate the sin, but love the sinner."
Now, being surrounded on all sides by people who generally look down upon their behavior would cause anyone to protest, be they homosexual or anyone else, but in a society governed by moral standards (and don't kid yourself, all laws are in and of themselves moral standards) laws can and should reflect the will of the people as long as they treat all men (and women) equally.
So here we come to the question again of civil rights. Because if it is a civil rights issue then the law is not treating all men (and women) eaqually in the instance of banning same-sex marriage. But we have established that it is, because it is about behavior, not an untreatable fact like race or religion. And many people of many faiths have said--in many states, though Prop 8 in California has garnered recent attention--that they will not accept this behavior.
The law is all about regulating behavior. In a certain respect, that's its sole purpose. You may not like some of the things it regulates (taxes, and it has ALWAYS regulated marriage), but then it is your priveledge to change it. The people did that recently, didn't they?
Many people at one time in their lives, particularly when they are young and coming to an awareness of their sexuality, experience same-gender attraction.
The fact that some of us resisted giving into our sexual impulses is testament to the fact that homosexuality is NOT and identity. Those of us who gave in and tampered with homosexual behavior found the road back much more difficult, but we found our way back and are happier because of it. It has taken many years for some of us, and the way was painful. But now we "remember our pains no more."
Repentance IS possible. Many of us have done it. So don't insult me by saying we have denied some ingrained characteristic. We knew God loved us, but we also knew that he hated how we were damaging our spirits.
Only Satan would tell a soul that he can never change. Homosexual activists promote this Satanic idea, because when I tell you that I experienced the same temptations and that I overcame them, this proves that you too can overcome YOUR temptations.
Plant. Add nothing = death. Add water = life. One makes sense, one does not.
If it does not perpetuate life, in the cycle of life, then it cannot be natural. Beliefs about deity aside, if it's contra-nature, then it's not the natural way.
Sperm + Condom = nothing!
Gays, you are not making any friends with this behavior, nor are you scoring any votes at the polls.
Civil Unions would be more attractive to me if I was a christian bashing gay.
Considering that a majority of Americans have now voted against gay marriage, I think the implication is that Utah is making more allies than friends, right?
This has nothing to do with one religious organization or another - this has to do with someone finally stood up to these Nazi Gay Activists and now YOU and all of UTAH (of which 38% is not LDS) is going to be harmed.
Welcome to the war!
What kind of precedent would that set if the state of California were to say the voices of its citizens didn't matter and they would repeal the ammendment? Does the gay community really want to set that precedent? I just see it as opening a can of worms. By asking for this they're saying one of two things. Either that the voice of the minority should always override the voice of the majority; which is kind of a scary thing to think about. Or, that their pet cause is the exception to that rule and their standard of living is the only one important enough to be an exception; which sounds a little elitist and overbearing.
I can't wrap my mind around the idea that it's ok for the gay community to voice their opinions and their morals but any organized church or its members are not allowed to do the same. Where is the equality in that? Where is the fairness in that? I would venture a guess and say the influence of the gay community is greater than that of any individual church throughout California. Therefore, accusations thrown against the Mormon church or any others of brainwashed bigotry or a purchased ammendment are clearly false. It's insulting to be told that I don't come to my own logical conclusions because they are not in line with the ideals of gays and lesbians. I am clearly a victim and product of the conservative right and am unable to formulate my own thoughts, ideals, and morals. Where is the tolerance and understanding in that? If a person can be accused of being a blind sheep or conformist for simply agreeing with and adhering to the ideals of their chosen religion, why can the same not be said of those whose morals and values are always in line with the gay community.
Again we are witnessing the hypocrisy of those who preach tolerance but refuse to give it. Again we see the wrath and ire of those who feel their points of view, as a minority, should carry more weight than those who belong to the majority. Again we see a group who doesn't understand that their rights end where mine begin and vice versa.
They are not being oppressed and this is not a civil rights issue. They are not being sold as property, they can own property, they can vote, they have high positions in corporations, they can hold public office, they can drive, they can receive the same pay, and they haven't had an extermination order issued against them. The idea of them using the plights of blacks, women, and mormons as a foundation for their "victimization" is at best a misunderstanding of what true persectution is, at worst a slap in the face of those who fought so hard to truly be considered equal.
Yes there are individuals who are homophobic or otherwise contemptuous of any person who supports a homosexual relationship. But their acts as individuals and the persecution stemming from them has never been sanctioned by the state. No one in California has been ordered, by state law, to be executed simply for being gay.
And that's the beauty of our country. We all have the right to voice our opinions. All of us, not just those who are more "free thinking." There is however, a large misunderstanding of what that right really is. I have the right to voice my opinion but I don't have the right to force anyone else to listen to it, let alone validate it. Proposition 8 does not criminalize homosexual behavior. If that were the case, I would have been an adamant opponent of the ammendment. What it does is say what the majority of the people of California choose to validate as a marriage. By protesting the passage of Prop 8 and pursuing legal action attempting to invalidate it the gay community is trampling on the rights of the rest of the state. It is saying that the intepretation of marriage that belongs to the minority is more important than that which belongs to the majority; that the majority has no right to define what marriage is and is legally obligated to forgoe its rights and validate the opinions of gays and lesbians.
If this were turned on its head what would be the response of the gay community. If Prop 8 had failed and there were a protest in the streets of West Hollywood headed by those who supported it, what would be the response?
There is a twisted humor and irony in seeing photos of the protestors. They preach love and tolerance but hoist signs saying Vile Mormons" or "Keep your hate in Salt Lake." Where is the love, tolerance, respect, and quest for mutual understanding? Why do the protestors have more rights to the roads than the average citizen who was on her way to work? Why was the person with the "Yes on 8" bumper sticker villified and demonized by the advocates of love and unity?
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Friday, October 24, 2008
Tolerance
What happened to the terms tolerance and open-mindedness? They've turned into pseudonyms for a complete moral flexibility. If anyone has the audacity of believing in universal truth, they're labeled intolerant or closed minded.
What's so noble about saying all rights and wrongs are subjective? What's so enlightened about being able to justify any course of action and avoiding accountability for it? Why is this becoming the ulitmate goal of our society?
What's even worse is how hypocritical most people are who throw those terms around as the ultimate righteousness. If you were truly tolerant and open minded wouldn't you tolerate others' intolerance? Wouldn't you lend weight to their arguments and attempt to understand and empathize with their points of view? Aren't they entitled to the same rights of self-created morality? But they're not, are they? They're demonized as being bigots, racists, homophobes, sexists, or any other damaging and diminutive term you can apply to a person who doesn't fight your fight. Sound familiar? It sure doesn't sound very tolerant to me. The epitome of the hypocrite is the person who cries for a value system and refuses to grant others those same values. "Respect, validate, and glorify my views, but don't expect me to even listen to yours."
I am not a tolerant person. I don't want to be classified as tolerant and carry the weightlessness the new definition implies. I don't tolerate my own weaknesses and hold myself to a standard of morality. Do I fall short of that? Of course I do. Are my morals absolute and something everyone needs to live by? Of course not, that's the role of gods and tyrants. I do however, believe there are universal truths that people need to adhere to. Things like honesty, morality, self sufficiency, kindness, and hard work.
Of course the relationship between the rights of the individual and the rights of society have been bled over throughout the history of the human race. I see it as a basic exchange. If the individual expects rights without benefitting society, they are in violation of their morality. If society expects the contributions of individuals without offering individual rewards, there is a violation of morality. Anything else can be interpreted as the enslavement of one party and the entitlement of the other. Both are wrong.
When groups of individuals cry out for accute priveleges they are expecting an entitlement at the expense of anyone outside of their special interest group. Our society has come a long way from the days when only white, male, property owners had a say in how their lives were governed; but the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Special interest groups and many minority representatives no longer ask for equality but special treatment. The mentality of entitlement for simply being black, gay, female, undocumented, etc is gaining too many followers and we have turned into a society that demonizes white, straight, upper class, christian males for simply being what they are. Does that sound familiar?
I don't want your hypocritical and exceptional tolerance. All it really is, is a mask to hide the same crimes and mentalities that we've worked so hard progress away from. It's just the other side that's firing its cannons now. Either fire your cannons openly or expect everything that comes with true equality. Don't hide your venom of entitlement within your kisses of tolerance.
These protestors are just a modern day version of an old West lynch mob, only without the skills or knowledge of what to do.
I think I saw this queer support group on an old horror movie. I wonder what they did with their pitchforks and torches.
Igor, bring me my water cannon,
Sk8boy
It seems the protestors have come out in full force down in California and will be doing so tonight in Salt Lake. Apparently the voice of the majority isn't enough to placate the whims of the minority and they still think they are the exception to the rule.
What kind of precedent would that set if the state of California were to say the voices of its citizens didn't matter and they would repeal the ammendment? Does the gay community really want to set that precedent? I just see it as opening a can of worms. By asking for this they're saying one of two things. Either that the voice of the minority should always override the voice of the majority; which is kind of a scary thing to think about. Or, that their pet cause is the exception to that rule and their standard of living is the only one important enough to be an exception; which sounds a little elitist and overbearing.
I can't wrap my mind around the idea that it's ok for the gay community to voice their opinions and their morals but any organized church or its members are not allowed to do the same. Where is the equality in that? Where is the fairness in that? I would venture a guess and say the influence of the gay community is greater than that of any individual church throughout California. Therefore, accusations thrown against the Mormon church or any others of brainwashed bigotry or a purchased ammendment are clearly false. It's insulting to be told that I don't come to my own logical conclusions because they are not in line with the ideals of gays and lesbians. I am clearly a victim and product of the conservative right and am unable to formulate my own thoughts, ideals, and morals. Where is the tolerance and understanding in that? If a person can be accused of being a blind sheep or conformist for simply agreeing with and adhering to the ideals of their chosen religion, why can the same not be said of those whose morals and values are always in line with the gay community.
Again we are witnessing the hypocrisy of those who preach tolerance but refuse to give it. Again we see the wrath and ire of those who feel their points of view, as a minority, should carry more weight than those who belong to the majority. Again we see a group who doesn't understand that their rights end where mine begin and vice versa.
They are not being oppressed and this is not a civil rights issue. They are not being sold as property, they can own property, they can vote, they have high positions in corporations, they can hold public office, they can drive, they can receive the same pay, and they haven't had an extermination order issued against them. The idea of them using the plights of blacks, women, and mormons as a foundation for their "victimization" is at best a misunderstanding of what true persectution is, at worst a slap in the face of those who fought so hard to truly be considered equal.
Yes there are individuals who are homophobic or otherwise contemptuous of any person who supports a homosexual relationship. But their acts as individuals and the persecution stemming from them has never been sanctioned by the state. No one in California has been ordered, by state law, to be executed simply for being gay.
And that's the beauty of our country. We all have the right to voice our opinions. All of us, not just those who are more "free thinking." There is however, a large misunderstanding of what that right really is. I have the right to voice my opinion but I don't have the right to force anyone else to listen to it, let alone validate it. Proposition 8 does not criminalize homosexual behavior. If that were the case, I would have been an adamant opponent of the ammendment. What it does is say what the majority of the people of California choose to validate as a marriage. By protesting the passage of Prop 8 and pursuing legal action attempting to invalidate it the gay community is trampling on the rights of the rest of the state. It is saying that the intepretation of marriage that belongs to the minority is more important than that which belongs to the majority; that the majority has no right to define what marriage is and is legally obligated to forgoe its rights and validate the opinions of gays and lesbians.
If this were turned on its head what would be the response of the gay community. If Prop 8 had failed and there were a protest in the streets of West Hollywood headed by those who supported it, what would be the response?
There is a twisted humor and irony in seeing photos of the protestors. They preach love and tolerance but hoist signs saying Vile Mormons" or "Keep your hate in Salt Lake." Where is the love, tolerance, respect, and quest for mutual understanding? Why do the protestors have more rights to the roads than the average citizen who was on her way to work? Why was the person with the "Yes on 8" bumper sticker villified and demonized by the advocates of love and unity?
Posted by Victory In Progress at 9:22 AM 0 comments
Friday, October 24, 2008
Tolerance
What happened to the terms tolerance and open-mindedness? They've turned into pseudonyms for a complete moral flexibility. If anyone has the audacity of believing in universal truth, they're labeled intolerant or closed minded.
What's so noble about saying all rights and wrongs are subjective? What's so enlightened about being able to justify any course of action and avoiding accountability for it? Why is this becoming the ulitmate goal of our society?
What's even worse is how hypocritical most people are who throw those terms around as the ultimate righteousness. If you were truly tolerant and open minded wouldn't you tolerate others' intolerance? Wouldn't you lend weight to their arguments and attempt to understand and empathize with their points of view? Aren't they entitled to the same rights of self-created morality? But they're not, are they? They're demonized as being bigots, racists, homophobes, sexists, or any other damaging and diminutive term you can apply to a person who doesn't fight your fight. Sound familiar? It sure doesn't sound very tolerant to me. The epitome of the hypocrite is the person who cries for a value system and refuses to grant others those same values. "Respect, validate, and glorify my views, but don't expect me to even listen to yours."
I am not a tolerant person. I don't want to be classified as tolerant and carry the weightlessness the new definition implies. I don't tolerate my own weaknesses and hold myself to a standard of morality. Do I fall short of that? Of course I do. Are my morals absolute and something everyone needs to live by? Of course not, that's the role of gods and tyrants. I do however, believe there are universal truths that people need to adhere to. Things like honesty, morality, self sufficiency, kindness, and hard work.
Of course the relationship between the rights of the individual and the rights of society have been bled over throughout the history of the human race. I see it as a basic exchange. If the individual expects rights without benefitting society, they are in violation of their morality. If society expects the contributions of individuals without offering individual rewards, there is a violation of morality. Anything else can be interpreted as the enslavement of one party and the entitlement of the other. Both are wrong.
When groups of individuals cry out for accute priveleges they are expecting an entitlement at the expense of anyone outside of their special interest group. Our society has come a long way from the days when only white, male, property owners had a say in how their lives were governed; but the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Special interest groups and many minority representatives no longer ask for equality but special treatment. The mentality of entitlement for simply being black, gay, female, undocumented, etc is gaining too many followers and we have turned into a society that demonizes white, straight, upper class, christian males for simply being what they are. Does that sound familiar?
I don't want your hypocritical and exceptional tolerance. All it really is, is a mask to hide the same crimes and mentalities that we've worked so hard progress away from. It's just the other side that's firing its cannons now. Either fire your cannons openly or expect everything that comes with true equality. Don't hide your venom of entitlement within your kisses of tolerance.
"They are not being oppressed and this is not a civil rights issue. They are not being sold as property, they can own property, they can vote, they have high positions in corporations, they can hold public office, they can drive, they can receive the same pay, and they haven't had an extermination order issued against them. The idea of them using the plights of blacks, women, and mormons as a foundation for their "victimization" is at best a misunderstanding of what true persectution is, at worst a slap in the face of those who fought so hard to truly be considered equal."
But, in fact the gay and lesbians ARE being oppressed. They can do EVERYTHING that the blacks, women and mormons can do, such as vote, own property, hold public office, drive, receive the same pay... all of that stuff... EXCEPT be MARRIED legally to the PERSON that they LOVE.
Why is it that we can abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, "free" Iraq and on and on... but we can't "allow" for 2 men or 2 women to be legally married? This makes NO SENSE TO ME. How in the world would it effect ANY religion, any state, and city, and ANYONE for that matter if gay and lesbians could be legally married? Explain to me where the HARM is...
If you read the press releases from the Church you will see that they are in favor of granting homosexual couples the same legal rights and opportunities and heterosexual couples. However, they wish to define marriage in line with their view and the view of the majority.
I'll ask you the question that I asked rhetorically, Is it fair for the gay community to hold themselves above the voice of the majority? If so, are they the only exception or does the majority now have to always give in to the minority?
This is not an issue about whether or not gays and lesbians have the right to practice their lifestyle and live with the person they love. The issue is about the gay community forcing the majority of American citizens to conform to their ideal and definition of marriage. It's social bullying on the part of gays and lesbians.
If California were to pass a law allowing gay couples the same secular rights and protections as heterosexual couples you wouldn't see the same response from this or other churches. Their unions would be a new institution and not be related to, or a threat against marriage.
2) What is all this blather then about seperation of church and state from the gay rights groups? What they intend is to put economic pressure on the state and local governments to interfere with the rights of religious groups. I'm thinking that is not only unconstitutional, but also quite hypocritical on their part.
3) They are choosing to attempt to put economic pressure on a religion that advocates preparation and home storage. I'm thinking the mormons are probably more prepared than most to weather economic downturns, no matter the cause.
If you want to win, you've got to get organized. There is really nobody to blame but their own inability to organize.
(p.s.: I'm impartial on the ballot issue.)
Uhhh, now explain this one to me, oh genius one...
If gay people could marry, why (exactly??) would they go extinct?
Ohhhh --- right. Cuz since they can't reproduce then....uh, huh....what?
Here's a little clue for you.
ALL and I mean ALL of the gay people I know came from HETEROSEXUAL parents. So what exactly is going on in all of these fine, upstanding Christian homes that is turning all their boys and girls to be queer?? (Hint: nothing, because they're born that way)
So, Mr. Proud To Be Straight....you go right on being straight. Because as long as you all keep having kids, then guess what....some of those kids (gasp!!) will grow up to be homosexual.
There have been homosexuals in existence since the dawn of recorded man. They aren't going anywhere. Gay marriage would not change that fact one iota.
Carry on
I wouldn't normally worry about it but for the fact that you have been tearing someone to shreads and insulting their education because they called it "one sentance". It just seemed a bit unfair.
Carry on.
"I wouldn't normally worry about it but for the fact that you have been tearing someone to shreads and insulting their education because they called it "one sentance". It just seemed a bit unfair.
Carry on."
I don't know what part of their agenda makes less sense.
Answer: No, it hasn't. Our code of laws well precedes the Bible, as it is built upon the Sumerian laws of Hammurabi from circa 3000 BC, as in BEFORE CHRIST.
Put the Bible away and pick up a history book and quit pushing your religion on everyone else. It is YOUR religion, and just as Jesus said, though shalt not shout your faith from the mountain tops but pray quietly in the confines of your home. That would be Choosing The Right course of action.
You seem to be the only person who knows what the bible means so could you please just tell the rest of us?
What does God want?
What is he thinking right now?
All I have is His word in the scriptures and they are pretty clear to me.
As for what he is thinking right now, your guess is as good as mine. Though, if you really want to know, you could ask His prophet. The choice is yours.
Review:
Thou shall not kill. (We call them murderers.)
Thou shall not lie. (We call it perjury.)
Thou shall not....
You get the point.
No one is pushing the LDS religion on anyone. Marriage between a man and a woman has been around longer than the CA judges who FORCED their definition of marriage on us.
Talk about sore losers.
"No one is pushing the LDS religion on anyone"
Are you freaking crazy? Or do you just NOT answer your door when the missionaries come knocking? The LDS missionaries are WORSE than any telemarketer or door to door salesman. I have had to just close my door on them MORE than once. And that was AFTER telling them within the FIRST 30 SECONDS that I am not and will not be interested in the church. I have enough worries in my life, I don't need to add to it by becoming a hypocrite.
When they knock, they are not forcing you to do anything. Just don't answer the door.
Compassion does not equal tolerance for immoral behavior. We all recognize that we have our own sins to repent of. But our own imperfection does not invalidate the law of God that we attempt to follow, nor does it do away with the need to have laws that forbid sin.
So when you talk about God's love, make sure you understand what it is that God loves AND what it is that he hates. The Bible is quite explicit about what he hates, and homosexuality is right up there near the top, if you care to take a look--it being punished most severely under the law that he gave Moses. God hates all sin, so much so that He sent his son Jesus Christ to overcome it so that we could follow in His example and repent.
That comment is not truth. Perhaps you don't know the bible well. There are some sins that God will not forgive. I'm sure he judges justly and individually. But you can't just do everything evil and not expect consequences. H*ll is a real place, and some of us are going there.
The LDS people were moved from place to place so they could establish their beliefs until they arrived at their place safety, UTAH!!!
I would bet the people whome the gay commuity mock (LDS) if called upon to move by their leadership would do so, they did in the past.
So ALL GAYS!!! this is your chance to show your support of your leaders... Go ahead BOYCOTT UTAH!!! Move to your place of piece. I hear San Fransisco is more than willing to welcome you!
Money talks... but when what motivates the other side is not money and the talk is just that, talk, nothing will happen.
Hey, will the last gay out be sure to make a rude jesture.
52% Of Californians voted for Prop. 8. The state of Utah did NOT vote. Sundance film festival? Yeah that has SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much to do with the LDS church. Pahh-lease.
Absolutely appalling.
It is time to stop the liberal hypocrisy where only one side has a right to an opinion or belief.
It is only a matter of time before the Federal Government, especially under Obama (the mostly white black guy), steps in and makes it illegal to take a moral stand against homosexuality or any other perversion. It already is illegal for housing, lending, and employment.
IT WILL COME UP FOR A VOTE AGAIN, UNTIL THEN GO AWAY
[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
"By their works you shall know them"
When my boy ask what marriage is I will tell him it is only acheived when a Man and Woman come together with the intent on having a family. (i realize the sad fact that some couples cant have children because of medical issues, that is not to be used by Gay's as a argument for the side)
Do gay people ski?
Bring your family to Utah where we still believe there IS a right and wrong.
The courts have finally brought equiality to all... Praise the GREAT USA.
Starting tomorrow, All Mammals can legally wed there human partner!
that jokes so old the last time I heard it.
I was laughing so hard, I fell off my dinosaur
and broke my wooden shorts.
By they way, how is it punishment for them to not come here?
I was ready for a few "Hail Jesus!" and "Hallelujah!" shouts from the crowd.
OH PLEASE - this is not Church vs State, but majority voice over a minority temper tantrum. Catch a clue!
Furthermore, all our laws have their foundation in a moral principle. If you think that the Church has no right to address moral principles in the polital arena, you are sadly mistaken.
The freedom of speech was guaranteed to all Americans, including those with religious and moral ideals.
In fact, the contribution report does not identify any religious affiliation in the amount of money raised. The LDS Church was just picked because it is easy to hate.
Face it - this nation was founded on principles of Freedom of Religion well before Gays and Lesbians organized themselves into the "Tolerance Mafia". Even so, LDS was run out of the United States on a Tar and Feather rail back in 1847. Mormons had to leave the safety of the USA and go into the desert wastelands. Now, these Nazi Gays Activists are wanting to punish Mormons even more.
If I have to chose between offending God, or offending Gays - the choice is VERY EASY!
Proud to be LDS, Mormon, moral, and scored by gay activists!!!!
And besides....what could you boycott in Italy? The Linguini maybe?
As a church as a whole, we are use to being discriminated for our beliefs and it has been that way since day one so you trying to "boycott" the church (which only really causes problems for the state which had NO say in the results with the voting) you are just wasting your time & hurting people who had NOTHING to do with this voting process.
And Amanda, no the LDS church was by far not the only church involved in this.
I would like to think that everyone would tolorate each other's beliefs. But in a broken system where minoritys try to silence the majority all you get is hate.
When you were a child and you didn't like what your parents said, did you go to the Governer and say that your familys values are intolerant and that the state should tell your mom and dad how to raise you so you can have everything.
When 52 percent of the people are providing food at the table, they make the rules. The 30 out of 30 states that banned GAY marraige have obviously decided that the majority does not want that in there house.
I will never accept Homosexuality as natural, but rather a alternative lifestyle that condems oneself to extenction. The world will never turn Gay, and i am sorry if that disapoints you. However i will not judge gays nor will i reject them as people. A Queer has just as much right's as the next person. Just stop the attemp to take the word MARRAIGE from the majority that will only fight back harder. This is stupid. Make some new word and don't let the straights use it. Be the indivduals you are and develop your own lifestyle. You are not Hetero you are Homo. the two don't mix. They do however have the possibility to live side by side through tolorance. BE UNIQUE AND START A NEW WAY OF LIFE!
Arizona and Florida voted similar measures to California's and they passed with greater measures.
So why aren' they boycotting them?
They want to attack people they know will turn the other cheek.
The world is the Church's business.
The Nazi's selected the Jews and vilified them in the eyes of the German people, blaming them for all their ills. Then they went out and terrorized their places of business or any employer who hired a Jew. They bullied the German people to get their way until there was no stopping them. They scrawled their graffiti all over their homes, places of worship, and their businesses. Just look at the news of the protests in L.A., the Gays and other Prop 8 dissenters are doing the same thing.
Notice in the article that they are hunting for the names and addresses of those that supported Prop 8. Why? It doesn't take much to figure out that they want to get the supporters fired from their jobs, protest and destroy their businesses and/or homes and to vilify these people and all people who disagree with them.
Just take a look at most of the comments on this board that support the protesters, for people that claim to have a lot of love....they sure know how to hate!
The homosexuals and their supporters have almost always used bullying and vilification to get their way. And they seemed to have been very effective at it. It's hatred at its best (or worst).
The article says that 77% of those that donated to the Vote Prop 8 cause were LDS. How do they know this? Did people put their religious affiliations down when they donated? I think not. The Gays just need someone to vilify so they have a common cause to unite themselves together over and pulled this number out of a hat to justify their actions and get other to sympathize with their cause. Classic Nazi and terrorist technique. It's what the KKK used too to persecute the blacks.
So sad that it has come again to our country. Funny that with the election of a Black President showing that America has come along way in its racial divisiveness, that we only find that the ugly face of hatred has risen in a different form. So sad that so many good people have joined them in their hatred filled mantra. Kind of makes the statement “God Bless America” mean absolutely nothing.
Now I know that some will try to take some of my statements and try and turn them around and point at the Mormon church, but I don’t see the Mormon church going out trying to get people fired from their jobs. I don’t see the Mormon Church scrawling graffiti and hatred slogans all over the offices and home of homosexuals. What has made America great has been the fact that we can and continue to strive to disagree with civility in almost all aspects of law and deportment. We haven’t always been successful at it, but we continue to strive for it. In this case so many have tossed that thought in the gutter and are making this country worse for it.
1.Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.
2.Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.
3.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.
4.The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.
5.Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.
6.The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.
7.African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.
8.The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).
9.The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.
10.Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.
Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do – we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.
We voted on the same proposition down here in Arizona. It was almost exactly the same word for word. It passed easily here.
So, are all of these same people that are going to boycott Utah also going to boycott Arizona, Florida and Arkansas? What about all the other states that in the future will vote on these same issues? There is the potential that all 50 states could pass similar legislation. If that happens, will they boycott the whole country? Will they get San Francisco to secede from the Union?
stay away... it just feels better...
While you are right that only ONE will judge us individually, we still live in a great nation that allow us all to participate in the process of deciding what is right and acceptable in our society.
It sounds to me that the unorganized church of the homosexuals is as active if not more that the LDS or any other church in stating and defending their stand on this moral issue.
The proponents of Prop 8 did not force anything nor did the people of California who voted. If anything the opponents forced the state legislature via the courts and judges to authorize prop 8 in the first place.
As prop 8 is so incorrectly called a ban, it didn't ban anything. Prop 8 only defined marriage as being between man and woman.
LDS Church members exercised their Constitutional right to freely exercise their religion and act according to their religious beliefs. The irony to me is that the gay groups now want to punish a group of people based on their religious beliefs. What a bunch of hypocrites.
And finally, my last complaint, I'm sick of hearing the gays say that their rights are being "taken away". The truth is that no rights are being taken away from them, since gay marriage has never been a right in society. They are trying to expand rights into an area traditionally held sacred by society (not just churches)--marrigage between a man and a woman. There's a huge difference between having rights "taken away" and pushing for new rights that have never existed before.
Go ahead, attack away.
Forget "separation of church and state". The STATE does not and cannot recognize, approve, or condone based on religious principles anyway, because to do so, would require it to officially recognize one or more specific religious "institutions" in the making or enforcement of the law.
No matter what happens in this case, I GUARANTEE YOU that this whole mess is going to end up in the Supreme Court and (I believe) the court will find that the state CANNOT impose restrictions on the "institution" of marriage, because that "institution" is a religious concept, not a legal concept!
We are sick and tired of it
Enough is enough!!!!
This whole thing has gotten out of hand, because a group of people who believe one way, happen to have agreed with the majority of voters who actually made the decision, while those opposed, want to retaliate for their loss against people who HAD NO VOTE in the first place. It seems rather hypocritical to me, to target people and businesses who had NOTHING to do with voting for the proposition, unless they're going to include those within their own state FIRST!
If gays in California want to boycott, then perhaps they should start with boycotts against the people and organizations in their own state, who actually VOTED for the proposition!
Oh yeah and don't forget the large number of homosexuals that misunderstood the proposition completely and voted "YES" because they thought that meant that gay marriage would remain legal. California voting officials were shocked when one of the most predominantly gay areas of California in San Francisco county had a majority of voters vote "YES" for proposition 8.
foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Thanks
What does it have to do with the topic at hand?
Gay Marriage = *
Legalized AIDS & HIV *
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there arent any gay mormons
gay people didnt get the human race to this point (their moms and dads did)
people of the world are more then able and welcome to start their own religion (i personally like the church of the monday night football )
why religion is even a discussion is beyond me on this issue ... how stupid do gays think , thinking people are ??
darwin has to be rolling in his grave .. this un-natural selection is nothing more then self extinction
regardles of the catholics, jews, christians or even mormons ... gay marriage is against the basic law of reproduction for the human race and is nothing more then self induced extinction
and by the way all you gay types .. thanks for the next level of death to the current male and female population just because you want a different way to enjoy life and then die (dont need to be taking the rest of us along with you)
evolution or creation it doesnt matter .. gay men and gay women didnt get the 6 billion people currently on the earth at this time .. and wont have anything to do with the millions that are born during every minute, hour, day, weekk, month, year
not a big deal at all
I'm ok with these folks avoiding Utah....Looks like a slick way to reduce the crime rate!
Go Utes!
Here is the link:
http://www.wikileaks.org/leak/lds-oct-8-prop-8-broadcast.pdf
You should accept that the voters approved Prop 8, markwilk69, and take your loss like a man.
Real mature!
new evidence shows strong support to the fact that
hitler also was gay.
Before you vote "troll" and hate mail,for once do your homework!If a gay or liberal boycotts a church
which stands up for the doctrines of christianity,the
misguided masses respond exactly like CIAPHAS TO CHRIST rending their garments and crying out in a
feigned show of indignation.
Steve Young ,you showed your true colors.Out side you
are BYU blue ,inside are YELLOW.
The problem comes when you don't get your way so you use Terrorist tactics to force opinion to your camp.
Steve Young is not joining the march against the Mormon temple. He stated his opinion very well, and explained why he and his wife were voting no on prop 8. That is his right.
It is NO ONES RIGHT to yell and scream and pout like spoiled brats in the name of love and tolerance. That is just sounding more and more absurd the more I read about this. Maybe someday they will grow up and become mature, but I ain't holding my breath for that day.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
oh boy. what will they think of next???
The traditional and socially accepted definition of marriage has always been man and wife. It is a heterosexual word. When have you ever worried about being socially accepted? Your chosen lifestyle isn't about social acceptance. Go about your civil union ceremonies, have the same rights as married people, but find your own word to explain your relationships. Even the LDS leaders support civil unions to give you the same rights. All they ask is that you leave the word marriage alone. They are willing to compromise, why can't you?
Okay everyone. Bike down Legacy Parkway and meet at Temple Square. We're gonna have a fun little get together. We'll have cardstock and pens for you to make a protest banner. Our friend Rocky will lead us....
Hope the music is good for the invasion.
There are already tons of people from around the world on their way here to ski.
When I head south to camp the areas are full of Canadians. Better send them the boycott memo.
They won't be dressed as nice on those slopes.
Marriage is marriage. The handsome groom, the blushing bride. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes so-and-so pushing a baby carriage.
The light bulb just came on that that is why gays push their agenda so....they can't reproduce...they have to recruit.
If gays want the same responsibilities of divorces, taxation, etc., what do I care if they do? Not giving them right doesn't stop guys from having sex with guys and girls having sex with girls.
Of course, the "marriage" IS just a civil union. Anything done in the religious arena should continue to be under the control of the religions. I can't see anyone forcing a church to marry gays and any statutes or whatever should indicate the laws are civil only in nature.
Im just curious I wasent gonna go there or anything.
sexual practices and taught us her beliefs.
I had no idea that my father had been molested as a
child by a gay man.He never taught us to mistreat
gays,only to stand up against what he deemed to be
their unholy lifestyle.
THATS RIGHT !!!ONE can be truly compassionate and
still FIGHT against EVIL.GEE WHAT A CONCEPT.SEEMS
LIKE JESUS SET THAT EXAMPLE.
Can the LDS Church suddenly accept drinking, smoking, pornography, or any other sin just because people want it to be that way? A sin is a sin. And a truth is something that is always true-it never changes. So a sin won't be a sin today and a virtue tomorrow (D&C 93:24, Heb. 13:8).
But, the gay agenda people (as a whole) have NOT shown that respect, civility, or love back. They have not acted equally. They want equality, but refuse to show it in return when they don't get their way.
This whole thing is NOT about equality. Section 297.5 (a) of the CA Family Code says homosexuals have the same rights, duties, and responsibilities as heterosexual couples. Where is the discrimination? They already have the same rights so their argument there is hollow.
And about marriage . . . marriage, by definition is the holy union of a man and a woman to reproduce. I don't know if the gay agenda folks have ever taken a biology course, but procreation fails everytime when you have two of the same sex.
A definition is what it is. You cannot vote to change what is. You cannot vote to change the defintion of marriage any more than you can vote to change the color of the sky to green or vote to make the Winter warm or the Summer cold. It is what it is. It is what it is no matter how much you whine and complain about it. Laws of God and of nature cannot be changed by your will or by complaining.
What this all is, is the gay agenda people wanting to force their way of life on others. They seek justification for their odious behavior. They are aggressively imposing themselves on others.
Want proof? The five year olds in Massachusets that get to learn about two Dad's that are raising a kid. I have seen the "children's" book and it is awful. The parents have no say in what their own children learn. That is socialism at least, and probably communism. I have heard of a Father who was arrested when asking the school to tell him when they would be teaching his kids that stuff so he could opt out on it. They wouldn't ALLOW it! What? Allow it? It is his child!!! Children do not belong to the state or the cause of homosexuals.
Or what about the lesbian teacher that took her whole class to her lesbian "wedding?"
What about the people marching around LDS Temples trying to intimidate patrons?
What about the people written of in this article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80220) that are literally hunting down LDS people and are threatening to KILL them? Telling people to burn their Chapels and Temples?
Is that not force? This is NOT about equality, but about imposing macabre lifestyles on others.
It is not about marriage as that is impossible by definition.
It is not about denying people rights because of their sexual orientation because they are already protected under current laws.
This all shows the truth of Isaiah's word's, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! . . . Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!" (Isaiah 5:20,23)
If you are pro-family, you are now a bigot and are evil. If you are for the gay agenda, you are a hero, an accepting person, and a martyr for goodness. When did we get turned around and how did this happen???
Consider also what is said in II Timothy 3:1-3,5-6,8-9,13. "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves . . . Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, . . . Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. . . But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."
As President Monson has said, "Do not be deceived!"
I choose to follow the living Prophets on this, because in so doing, I am following God. Opponents of Prop 8 dress it up in equality, but that is not what it is. I fear many are being deceived. Maybe this is the "trial" that some will have to overcome. To show their faith. We read about trials of those in the scriptures and for some, here it is for you. But my advice to you is to follow the Prophet! You are never sorry for that and God will remember in this life and in the next.
God bless all those who defend family and virtue!
http://obamapromised.com/?p=23
Opposition: $37.6m
Support: $35.8m
A link is: http://kdrv.com/page/60429
I am not LDS but I believe in the meaning of Marriage vs. Mutual Commitment.
That means NO...
Disneyland
Raisins
Jay Leno
Paris Hilton
Dr. Phil
Fruits
Nuts
Flakes
Whoo hoo!
Just because they didn't get what they wanted, they are trying to blame it on someone or something else and throwing a hissy-fit just like a 2 year old!
BofM Nephi
Second, I am not happy about who was elected president of the United States but boycotting and protesting isn't going to solve the problem or change it. The voice of the majority rules and I must live with that and so must you!
The gays still have the same rights they had before the California Supreme Court stated that the gays could be married. The act of stating that the gays could be married was not within the court's jurisdiction. The court is a judicial not a legislative power. The people of California voted in 2000 to define marriage to be a union between man and a woman. It was a proposition. The people of California have now ammendmented the state's constitution to define marriage. The gays are asking for a right they never really had.
Homosexuality is a moral issue not a race, gender, or any other protected class of people issue.
Shame on all of you for not coming from LOVE and instead HATE.
God doesn't make JUNK, only people DO. I have two gay sons, and they are loving, educated, and successful, in law and medicine. The one that defends you or saves your life might be gay, so be aware of what you write, or say.
All I can write is "God Bless you, and may you find LOVE in your Hearts instead of Hate.
I say good riddance boycott our state. I think I would enjoy going to Gateway and just seeing boy and girls holding hands.
Unfortunately, that kind of typo can change the meaning quite a bit...
When two people live togather, be it in a hetro relationship, this is not called marriage! This called Cohabitation , maybe thats what it should be called?
The LDS church would HATE that. Have gay organizations from other states pump millions of dollars into advertising in the state. Just like the church did with Ca.
The church doesn't lose with a boycott. But the church loses with the passing of a bill they would consider a moral issue on their home turf.
In the same way that the Church would not excommunicate a man or woman who was married who thought the Bishop's wife was "hot," but they WOULD excommunicate someone who slept with the Bishop's wife. (The Bishop's wife would probably be out, too.)
Furthermore, if equal rights are important, then why is the Catholic Church and Baptist Church being deprived of these protests. Do they not deserve your attention - or is this just more Mormon bashing.
It is also an Sexual Orientation because most (NOT ALL) of the Homosexual are being psicological, physical abused in some part of their lives, other cases because of separation of their parents or simply a childhood traumma, but any ways there is something that could be control with love, comprehension and also acceptance into society some recommendations and counsels that LDS Church has been told always to his members and leadrship, before to critize or post missinformation in this section, please get informed about what is and what is not being " Homosexual" LDS church just teach what Bible, Book of Mormon and another Churches even God says, said and would say... Marriage its between Man and a Woman...
If you homosexual activists continue to promote this sick ugly agenda, you are nothing more than societal sexual predators and should be treated as such.
Maybe the gay community can set up their own 'church,' move out of the country and begin working on statehood, just like the Mormons did.
Wouldn't people in this state be torked at the outside entities funding and working to force through their agenda?
You don't have to agree with gay marriage. Mormons don't have to agree with gay marriage. This state does't have to agree with gay marriage.
But if the church is going to get ingvolved in politics, they have to accept the consequences. And if people in Utah want to meddle in California politics, then we have to be prepared to have them hate us.
Kare L.
1) They wont come to the Sundance Festival?
2) They wont visit Temple square?
3) they wont Drive through on their way to the east coast?
California ..... Do you promise????? Seems fair to me.
About me, my mother is Mormon and my father is Jewish. I was baptized in the church when I was about ten, which to me I was not ready for and made an honest mistake. I believe in mankind and human existence, not a fairy tail or what I do on earth is going to decide my fate. It is in my hands to decide. I’m straight but have friends, family, and co-workers who are gay and they hold almost exactly the same morals and values as I do, except one aspect, they sexual preference.
We all grew up with stereo types of many things we didn't understand. Being gay is a huge one and being Mormon is another. People think most gays are swingers but that is not true. People also think many gays had great fashion sense which is also not true. lol. Everyone thinks Mormons are from a completely different planet and they have tons of wives. Sounds like a lack of knowledge to me.
The church is made up of its members and not by its principles, values, or literature. I know you all would like to think so but you can't tell me that 100% of Mormons live Mormon lifestyles 100% of the time. Mormons steal, cheat, and make mistakes just like many other people in the world, none of us are perfect. We are all humans and we need to be more understanding of the differences in the world or we create ignorance and hate. If we say something is right or wrong and someone disagrees or agrees when you really have no idea, we have nothing but supported bias, discrimination, prejudice and opinion. We are creating pride for lies and deceit, we need to let go of what people have told us about the truth of God. I believe God or any creator that one might believe, created the body, which is temporary and full of flaws, and also the spirit, which is eternal and perfect.
Morals, beliefs, and values are the right to each of us as individuals and as humans. If you want to make Mormon values your own, great, does not mean their great for me or anyone else that has a different interpretation and percpective of life. Just because Coke is my favorite drink doesn't mean I have to go around, door to door, making everyone feel the same way about coke. What gives any person the self-righteousness to tell people what is right or what is wrong? It's our own to decide and we all have that freedom to question and think the way we want. Why are Mormon leaders taking that god given right away from humans? What did gay people do to Mormons that Mormons didn’t do to themselves? It saddens me there are people out there that think being gay is inhuman or wrong. Gay people have the same desires, feelings, and emotions we all share.
Being gay is so irrelevant in this world but Mormon leaders make it sound like it’s the end of the world. That is so ridiculous and funny at the same time. Why not support a bigger cause if you want to make a difference in this god forsaken world, not piss a bunch of people off. The Mormon leaders have wasted money but more importantly wasted energy and time that should have been put to helping people understand the Mormon faith. How can a man and another man “loving” each other be wrong, when multiple wives are not? No one has the right to say your wrong, or your right, because who are we to judge? A book (The Bible, Book of Mormon, The Torah, The Quran, etc.) which has been written by a human hand and has caused way more pain and suffering than prosperity. Jesus taught of love and understanding of all God’s creations, so did Gandhi, Muhammad, Abraham, Moses, and many others who aren’t in the history books. The problem was the preachers and the followers who misinterpreted the message and used it for power and tyranny. Preying on the week. If people keep living by a book and not by the truth, which is seen with our own eyes in everyday life, then people are stuck. People, you need to open your minds and open your hearts to see the light. Being gay is not wrong nor is it right, it is what it is and we need understand that. Gay people are everywhere, they are in your families, they are in your work places and you need to accept that and support that. Gays have helped us because they believe in equality unlike many in this state. They are not aliens from mars, or a militant group so quite treating them like they are and give them that one right and respect they deserve.
I hope I have gained some of your attention in this matter.
Thanks for reading.
Also, I don’t understand why you can’t be happy and not be married. Do you think that your unhappiness will instantly vanish as soon as you are wed? Many would say just the opposite.
Oh darn, this is America...we LISTEN to the voice of the people here...at least for now.
Sincerely Yours Wire Burner.
The church did the same thing. There is nothing illegal or innapropriate about it.
Yet because the ban was approved, now you want to hold protests, boycott and bash the church and Utah. There was nothing in the ban that says you can't be gay, that you can't live gay.. It just said you can't be married and gay.
I know of no warrant out on the gay community or bounty being offered.
So people, Honestly Grow up, Act like an adult. Realize that you lost in a majority election and deal with it. Just like those of us who voted in the election and didn't like the outcome of president must deal with it.
Just because your gay doesn't grant you any special rights or privleges. So DEAL WITH IT!
Move onto the next thing and leave the church and the state of utah alone.
BESIDES, WE DIDN'T EVEN VOTE IN YOUR ELECTION!!!
It was a good election. Bush and his phony "patriotic" brainwashing, and his endless empowerment of the federal tyranny got thrown out. It's a shame bush wasn't a "conservative" in ANY way or maybe Mccain would have had a chance.
The gays lost their attempt to pervert our culture any more than they already have.
These guys: mpp.org, won some of our liberties back from a power hungry government.
The fact is the gays lost and as gai basher so eloquently puts it bellow, they must find a scathegoat.
They are just bitter. Not all Mormons voted yes.
I would love to see the faces of these protesters if the Lord was to come right now. They would shart themself lol
Can't we all just get along....Mormons are in the right.Freedom of speech! Isn't it wonderful. Woohoo.