... @Private O. - Like Doug Wright said we are all on this plane together and why would you wish the captain to crash and burn. The problem is that the Pilot has just said he is going to fly this plane to the Moon and He is going to to get off the plane before he puts it on auto pilot.
Obama's social policies will cost billions and the damage will likely not be fully evident until after Obama is out of office.
His plans will destroy the basic principal of self reliance that has made this country great. Under Obama only the upper middle class and rich will pay taxes. When 50% of Americans don't pay any Federal Income tax they will not care how it is spent, as long as it is on them.
I have family members that receive Government welfare, and it has destroyed them. They can't hold down a job for more than 6 months before they quit. They don't manage their money because they didn't earn it. They don't plan for retirement because they expect the Government to do that for them. Of course they all voted for Obama.
I think the Stock market today said it best, Down 500 points. Those with Money invested know Obama wants to tax it. Businesses know that Obama will take thousands from their bottom line. They know they will have to cut jobs or increase prices to pay for the taxes.
What Obama has said he will do scares me! Having democrats control Congress scares me! The only thing I can hope for is that they do crash and burn in their efforts to destroy this country.
If you really want to be scared, read the Communist manifesto, it is the same concepts that Obama has presented.
Man, I agree. @WL - I read the Manifesto too...scared the he-- outta me! Before I knew much about Obama at the beginning of this thing I thought he wasn't such a bad guy, but listening to him speak and then comparing it to that sealed the deal for me. I'll oppose his kind with everything I've got til the bitter end.
Oh, and that's interesting about the stock market. Was wondering what was gonna happen there...why am I not surprised?
pre...? @pre - You need to read up...the markets dropped because of the financial report that was released at the same time. Previously, the markets actually rallied about the same as it dropped when the news came out about Obama being the next President.
I didn't vote for Obama...but stop with the incorrect information already.
I agree Rollin S @Rollin S. - These people scare me. This was a great victory for all of us. Get on board and come together people. You are part of this country as well and what you do or don't do will affect the outcome.
Exactly. Now is NOT the time to give up. @DJC 47 - Now is the time to continue to express your concerns to your elected officials, so they can see what it is their constituents want. AND, it's always best to support your voice with factual data, or at least with a sensible argument. Ranting and raving (either vocally or in print) will not help your cause; you'll be written off as a lunatic and ignored.
Unfortunately, many of the politicians we've elected are corrupt, and will act in accordance with their own (or the lobbyists who've bought them) desires.
We need to be watchful of these people, and hold them accountable for the decisions they make.
Now is the time for cautious optimism, with a lot of careful oversight, and vocal opposition when things are done that should not be.
yup @Rollin S. - I fully agree with Rollin S... and to go further, the opinions that permeate this board and this whole state show that very little actual critical thinking and basic research exists here. Don’t rest on the laurels that were handed down to you from your parents and church… do your own research with an open mind. Get educated on what is really going on outside of this tiny state and even this great country of ours. The scariest thing is an uneducated, morally angry crowd who are actually afraid themselves… afraid because they don’t know.
64 lincoln @64lincoln - I have been out of this tiny state and lived in a country that had all of Obama's socialist government programs in place and operating. That is precisely why I am so disappointed with his victory. Nationalized health care will dramatically lower they kind and quality of health care we are used to. We complain about HMOs, socialized medicine is ten times worse. These programs (child care, subsidized food, subsidized housing, single parent assistance, etc.) sucked so much money out of peoples wages that the only kind of house they could afford was government subsidized.
The net effect was population so dependent on the government that they had no motivation to improve their own lives. There were no dreams or aspirations. Virtually no one owned their own business or house. It was sad. I was an eye witness to the utter failure these programs are. A good way to describe it would be social neutering.
So you see, those of us who are so disappointed or scared are not closed-minded, inexperienced, unsophisticated, brainwashed people who have never been outside of the Utah bubble. On the contrary we have seen it for ourselves, and it is not pretty.
I don't want to live in a nanny state. I want to be a free man with the responsibility and opportunity to provide for myself and my family, along with the truly needy who live among us. Socialism takes that away.
correct @Stoneman - Good response Stoneman. We both stated two things very wrong when we lumped everyone into our comments. No, not everyone who is afraid is ignorant, 'unworldly' and uneducated but it is the vast majority. You say that 'we have seen it for ourselves' and that is a huge minority of the people who post on this board, and who live in this state. A 2 year mission to spread the word of the church means nothing as they come back home to comfort and never get involved with that foreign place again... as I've witnessed over and over again for over 25 years now in real life. (this is to you also ThinkFirst)
All of Obama's socialistic government plans??? Look up the true definition of Socialism and you will see that the mighty few even remotely socialistic plans Obama's wants to initiate (remember they have to pass/go through congress as well!!!) do not, can not make the US a socialist state.
just @ThinkFirst - responding to your don't judge the state comment... "The percentage of ignorance and pessimism I have seen on these boards does not translate to the same ratio out in real life." I have been here in Utah a good chunk of my life, so for me the views and negative, ignorant comments on this board are pretty much a match 1 for 1 with real life in this state.
Now me saying that is technically wrong as I do not know, nor have I met everyone in this state so I am just going by my 25 years of interaction here…. so bad on me for doing a sweeping generalization there.
64 lincoln I totally agree with you @Stoneman - You are totally correct!
First of all. I am from D.C. and am worried that Obama is putting in some of Clinton's people. They are all corrupt. I am actually a cousin to the Clinton's. I could tell you stories about them. Yuck!!!! (My side of the family refers to the as the white tra__ of the white house). Their political affliates are big on handouts which don't work!!! Ironically, I'm part Indian. My great-great-grandmother met an Irish man and moved off the reservation and off the government's tab. Best thing in the world for her descendents!!! I have distant relatives on the reservations that have done absolutely nothing!!!! They are bums. Love them, but when you are handed things and don't have to work for them then there is no need to work. Obama's socialist plan is the same way. Socialized medicine does not work. I was raised with my father in the military. They practice socialized medicine. You can't see the best doctors (they out source to foreign non-english speaking doctors) and a lot of medications are not available.
This boils down to - life is about choices. Education is free in America; it is our job to take advantage of it to better ourselves to be able to provide for ourselves. Some may say that not everone has an equal education. I will admit I was educated at the best east coast schools. What made the difference? The community mentality. According to the socio-economic theory of learning you can take a child out of a 'poor' school and put them in a private expensive schoold and I believe about only 2-5% will improve. Upon analysis of the situation, the determining factor of success is the mentality of the parents or significant role model in their life. So, if the parents don't care, there is not much hope unless someone else steps up (ie a teacher, friend...). OBAMA can't miraculously change wages unless people care enough about themselves and their offspring to make them educate themselves.
*My neighbors are from Australia and were informing me of how their system works. First, an individual can't go out create debt and not be responsible. Why do we let people walk away from debt? They should go on a payment plan. They also focus on teaching students trades in high school for those whom will not go to college. There are plenty of jobs in america; we have allowed non documented workers to take them. We have become an snobby culture; many people find themselves too good to do certain jobs.
America has caused this problem. I purchased a home that I could afford. Nothing fancy. Ironically, the family was about to lose the home because they were in the process of buying a mansion. Ironically, they are loosing their mansion now. A lot of this mess was created by GREED!!!
OBAMA isn't the answer to fix these things. We need to start with ourselves. Unfortunately, people many want more dependency. We need more regulation on mortgages and on wall street. We need less free hand outs and more education / training. Instead of free welfare we could even go to the days of when the government PAYED men to do improvement projects (trails, bridges, landscaping...).
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish ; and you have fed him for a lifetime”—Author unknown
@ThinkFirst - Why is everything that does not conform to your personal beliefs deemed ignorant? Are people not allowed to think outside of the democratic box in your world? This isn't some "Oh he is black/Muslim/Chicagoan the world is going to end." Now there might be a few out there that think this way but most of us are worried a heck of a lot more about his policies and previous voting record. For instance his deeply routed socialist beliefs, his attitude about gun control, the looming threat of a new fairness doctrine to squelch our freedom of speech. And trickle up economics makes as much sense as a trickle up waterfall. Do not assume that no research or critical thinking has gone into the formation of an opinion just because it does not conform to your world view. That my friend is what we call arrogance.
@Jeff f - Great point Jeff, one that should be heard by all of us. It seems we forget sometimes that we are all yearning for the same end. Neither party is looking to destroy the country we just disagree on which avenue to take in order to achieve our desires. To quote Shakespeare's King Henry V. "...so may a thousand arrows reach one mark; so may thousand streams reach one salt sea; so may a thousand actions once afoot be all well borne without defeat."
??? @Jeff f - I never asked or pushed my personal beliefs... sounds like you want to though. And look at the comments here... there are more than a few 'Oh he is black/Muslim... the world is going to end'.
I just asked for people to think. I also didn't assume anything much different that the mojority of the comments on this board have proved otherwise. 'Deeply rooted socialist beliefs'??? look at his record in the senate, look at the bills he tried and did put forth and the programs he supported in his own community. The few IDEALS that he would LIKE to implement do not gaurantee 1. that they will even get approved and passed and 2. that it will make the US a socialistic state.
Finally an opinion is not based on research or critical thinking, from dictionary.com: opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. or 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
@ThinkFirst - Some of us have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE being under the type of government that Senator Obama wants to create here. Have you ever lived under a Socialist Regime? Some of us have! Our opinions do not come from ignorance but EXPERIENCE!!!
In my opinion, anyone who touts that Socialist rule is some ideal utopia is the one that is ignorant! Try pulling your head out of the dark orifice and find out what life will be like before praising his policies (that by the way have failed every time they've been tried, just ask the USSR)!
meeshy @meeshy - So I am guessing that all of you who have "ACTUAL EXPERIENCE being under the type of government that Senator Obama wants to create" have lived in Sweden. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE ON EARTH WITH THE "SOCIALIST REGIME" that you are complaining about. If want true facts here they are. The people of Sweden who live under the "Socialist Regime" have a lower infant death rate, have a higher standard of living, have better health care, and less unemployment than anywhere else in the World. Look it up before you start spouting off information that you know nothing about.
:) @Solarchic - My Aunt is from SWEDEN and left there for the good old USA (& no she is it was not for religious reason, she's atheist). She has no desire to more back.
@Solarchic - Really? I didn't realize that they had a "Civilian Defense Force" in Sweden? That's something Obama has said he wants to create. Sounds more like the Soviet Secret Police, or the Nazi Gestapo to me! Hot dog, won't life be great. Looking over your shoulder all the time. Worrying about being hauled off in the middle of the night if you oppose the government! Happy, happy, joy, joy!!!
You also failed to mention that Sweden is the second highest taxed developed country on the planet! Workers actually get to put 15% of their earnings in their own pocket, compared to 50% in the USA. The rest goes to one form of tax or another! Sounds great, doesn't it? I sure look forward to losing another 35% of my income to the government, don't you?
Been there, done that. @Solarchic - I've lived in Germany and visit Sweden often. My wife lived in Sweden until the time we got married. We had the choice and there are several reasons we choose to live in the USA, many of them economic. In simple terms- we could never have the house, land, vehicles, toys, and recreational opportunities that we have here- all earned through hard work. We want the same opportunities for our children. If that sounds like capitalism then we're guilty as charged.
If any of you are excited about Obama's promised social plans, please move to Europe now (or Canada for that matter) and get a taste of it for yourself. I bet you'll be disappointed and come back home with a different perspective. Personally, I find the social safety net in Sweden to be stifling, despite them waking up and moving a few steps back toward capitalism in the early 1990s and again in 2006.
64 @64lincoln - so anyone who doesnt feel as dems. do are misinformed? or closed minded? wow thats one way to get me on board. Ya tell me what Im supposed to think, and feel about someone and tell me how great this is for all of us and expect me to just fall in line.
YA right- maybe the dems could try a little of that open mind thing themselves. I will give bama a chance, the vote is in and I have no choice. I hope he proves me wrong, but that doesnt mean I have to blindly jump from the cliff like a lemming or dems. in this case.
This whole election is what has completley soured me on trust! Rasmussen reported yet another poll this am. It showed most republicans believed in media bias, and that the media actually put on their vote obama shirts and didnt even try hide it. The thing is that over half (I believe) of Dems and Independents also agreed that the media had portrayed Mccain poorly and bama as though he were "THE ONE"
I do believe that this is the end of unbiased reporting and its just plain wrong.
So the media, the extreme libs, and the nastiness of a lot of supporters (creaming Palin etc) completley changed my view point of the dem. Party. You want me back on board youll have to earn it. Bama will have to earn my support and trust. But I do promise you to give bama as much respect as you have given to Bush...
and as ive said in the past its now on the dems. shoulders to make things work (since they are the ONES) so have at it... Its also all their faults if it doesnt work out... have fun with that also.
YOu thing im mean spirited? Nope Im just sick of the
games. I dont trust Bama and I dont care for him in the least, but he is my President and I will respect the OFFICE he holds, for the man he has to earn that respect.
ok Palin clone @csiny - What is with the Ya??? and the Bama... too lazy to put the O in his name???
Anyone who votes or makes decisions without doing some research is misinformed or closed minded. We all should make choices for the one(s) that we've done the research on, and find they match what we want. Vote as you will, but don't vote blindly.
Me too @Rollin S. - Last time a D was in office we had a booming economy no national debt etc. I just think the majority of UT sheep vote republican, and even if there was a convicted rapist, child killer running as long as he was R UT would vote for him lol. Besides how can affordable healthcare, more funding for public schools, and tax relief for the middle class be bad?
jeremy @Jeremy T. - that was just plain rude- as I would expect.
You want to know why I vote republican? because they are conservative!
because they stand for my belief system and for my political system.
How could I vote for a Dem. When they have 0 respect for my conservative views?
Give me a dem. that believes in lower taxes
pro-life
pro-family (one man / one woman)
is still ok with God
believes in a hand up, not a hand out
wants this country to succeed (military) and doesnt want to just stay home, hoping we'll be okay.
give me a dem that has the guts (as bush did) to say I will fight on their turf instead of ours, I will go to war and defend this country
I will go after terrorists ~ even if I don't make many friends along the way.
This Iraq war was started, with both parties eyes wide open and in agreement. It was only when it became unfavorable because it wasnt over in 5 minuets that everyone jumped ship and went against our own government and President. Everyone jumped ship when things got tough. So if you want me on the bama ship there had better be some reaching across the isle and some respect toward me and the conservative party.
Jeremy.... @Jeremy T. - And, the only reason the nation under Clinton towards the end of his final term had a surplus and booming economy was because Clinton hadn't reduced the deficit and Republicans were voted into Congress with the Pact with America agenda to balance the budget and reduce government waste--The Republicans did the economic work under his administration (aside from the problematic NAFTA) and take credit for the surpluses, etc. Their work in Congress was the phenom that worked.
President-Elect Obama @emsk - People seem to be forgetting one thing. Obama isn't President yet. If you want to blame the stock market dropping on the President, your fingers are pointing at President Bush, not Obama. Personally, I think it is foolish to blame the President for the stock market.... er, I did before the bailout... or all of the other governmental interference.
yup @rzlmlchm009 - and the day he takes office then you got it buddy- everything from stock markets, taxes, jobs, war, protection of our country....hurricains, floods, fire, its all his fault......just like everyone has blamed bush for everything.- bama gets to have the good parts but he also gets to be the whipping boy.
Im giving him his chance- 90 days! but seeing as he's already picking uber liberal cabnet people- Im not holding my breath.
WL @WL - Why don't you give the man a chance before you start predicting doom and gloom? We've had that for almost eight years now. I'm ready for a new and different type of administration.
@gemstone - Gemstone, I've studied economics for many years. Obama's plan is a recipe for disaster; it's very "Hoover-esque" if I may say so. He will lead us right into the second great depression.
We don't need more taxes right now on the people who create businesses and jobs, we need the government to be business and investor friendly. Obama is neither; he will raise capital gains, raise taxes on small businesses, and raise taxes on more than just the 2%. New York City politicians made a promise of tax rebates and tax cuts just last year and looks what's going to happen.....neither. What about the tax cuts promised in California? Nah, they were just campaign rhetoric. The truth is California can't pay it's bills and will have to either raise taxes or cut spending. Since California is run by libs, you can bet they'll just raise taxes. Cutting spending means taking away government money from people who are dependent on the state and angering democrat voters.
Obama made campaign promises that many people bought into hook line and sinker. Gone are lofty speeches that made people feed good, gone are the campaign promises, gone are the pie in the sky emotional responses as reporters cried and people celebrated. Now it's time for reality and the reality is our economy is sick due to the sub prime mortgage meltodown (courtesy of the democrat party).
Hoover-esque @WEM - You better go back and re-read a few chapters of history....Hoover was more about letting big business and the private sector lead our nation out of its economic woes..Roosevelt and Obama are closer aligned than what you talk about
If you dont like the guy I can understand that, but if you want to spew facts...get them right.
Your California comparison is also mis guided...the gov. is a republican not a lib.
I did not support Obama either....but I hope I am smart enough to look for the opportunities in a changing country....
California - cut taxes - what a concept! @WEM - If California and most states could print money and take on debt like the Federal Government does, they most likely would. Didn't Utah talk about cutting back too? Let me think a moment, if I make less money I guess I have to cut my budget otherwise I will be in debt up to my ears. Where have you been studying economics WEM - Washington DC?
LOL @WEM - I don't think you have studied anything but propaganda, if you did you would know the democrats are better for the country. Here are some articles you may want to read. Oh, and do some research on who pushed for the deregulation of the financial industry, you may be surprised.
The Bush administration, supported by Republicans on Capitol Hill, pushed through a sweeping tax cut in 2001, under which the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans reaped 43 percent of the gain. In less than a year and a half, the federal government's 10-year projected budget surplus of $1.6 trillion had vanished. In 2000, we had a surplus of $236 billion. In 2004, we had a deficit of $413 billion. This dramatic reversal is the direct consequence of Bush's tax cuts - and McCain wants to pursue the same bankrupt policies.
The past three decades have seen a momentous shift: The rich became vastly richer while working-class wages stagnated. Economists say 80 percent of net income gains since 1980 went to people in the top 1 percent of the income distribution, boosting their share of total income to levels unseen since before the Great Depression.
In the last 30 yaers we have had a republican president for 20 of them and look at was has happened.
If you truley believe the republicans are better for the working class and small business you are a fool.
... @Sneaky Pete - Sounds like you are the one listening to Propaganda.
Here is what the Bush Tax cuts did:
the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket
the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25%
the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28%
the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33%
the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35%
Those that pay more in taxes get more back with a tax cut. Those that don't pay taxes don't receive any money back from a tax cut without receiving a Welfare check. This is the spin put on the tax cuts by the left. The Federal Government still gets over 1/3 of the income of those in the highest bracket. That does not count State income tax, Social security, medicaid, etc they still have to pay.
What is wrong with people prospering? Governments job is not to hold people back from prospering. Taxes were cut across the board in an effort to keep the Government from getting in the way. Holding back the upper class will not raise the lower class.
I can think of one thing wrong @WL - it is at future generations expense. Nothing is free, not even printing up money or borrwoing. Sooner or later it will catch up with us all including us collectively as citizens of the United States.
... @ThinkMoreTalkLess - What are you smoking? When government gets out of the way and lets people prosper today it will have no ill effects on the future generations. How can you even argue that we need to tax and hold back the prosperous today and that will help future generations? Don't believe the lies about the Rich not paying taxes, they are in the 35% bracket and hence pay over 1/3 of their income to Federal income taxes(not counting all other taxes). Someone that earns $1,000,000 this year will pay $350,000 in Federal Income taxes alone. Bush lowered this from $390,000 they would have paid.
How much do you pay when you file your taxes? Under Obama I would get $500 more than I paid. I don't want his welfare check!
gem @gemstone - I will respect the office he holds, and I will give him every chance to do right, and to prove me wrong. I want him to succeed but I still fear him and his liberal views.
... @Marc M. - Is that all you have is "serious doubt"? Use some logic!
What will be the result of requiring small businesses to pay tens of thousands more in taxes every year?
What will be the result of requiring large businesses to pay Hundreds of thousands more in taxes every year?
How much will it cost the Government to pay for Healthcare for millions of people? In 2007 the Government paid 641.8 billion for those on Medicaid/Medicare/etc. Add in 50 million more people and how much to you think it will cost?
Obama wants to pay for the first $4,000 of College for any college student. How much will that cost?
Obama wants to add 92,000 soldiers how much will that cost?
Obama want to cut taxes for 95% of Americans, how will he pay for his spending? 40% don't pay taxes and will get a welfare check labeled as a tax return.
Obama has said he will make it so expensive to put in a Coal power plant that anyone who wants to do it will go bankrupt in the process. He also said that the amount Americans pay for the Utilities will need to go up to get rid of coal power plants and fight Global warming. How will this effect the economy?
If Obama does what he has said he will do it will take decades to clean up his mess.
Sorry - One you missed @WL - reducing the deficit. Oh, does that mean raising taxes and/or spending less. Well we can't have that. So explain to the kids how we have spent their inheritance long ago and they can cover the debt we now have.
... @ThinkMoreTalkLess - I don't know how the Deficit is going to be reduced when there have been 20 new spending proposals/entitlements for each possible spending cut. There will not be any more money when Obama taxes the core of the economic engine.
As for inheritance, it is not the Federal Governments job to give to people. It is Federal Governments Job to Protect our Security/Freedom, and to not Hinder the Economy.
The debt has been largely built with Social spending that costs American Tax payers around a Trillion every year.
Obama as president @WL - the next four years are going to be history making becuase I think it will interesting to see if we still have an American Democratic government left after Obama gets done.
American Democracy @Angela S. - Hi Angela, you'll be surprised to hear that our form of government is a representative republic, not a democracy. There has never been an American democracy and hopefully, there never will be. Read up.
In addition... @Nadja - "W" has done everything in his power to run this country as a dictatorship... moreso than any other president in my adult lifetime. Halfway through his first term he started using fear tactics and calling dissenters "unpatriotic" to try to put down anyone who questioned the weak arguments for his actions. If your concern is about loss of representation and the destruction of our Republic, you should be absolutely elated that George W. Bush and his cronies are on the way out. I don't really know what to make of Obama yet but I'm SO HAPPY to see an end to the Bush years.
Now, I just hope the Democrats in Congress don't make a mess of things like both parties tend to do when they're at the helm. I'm thankful that we didn't end up with a fillibuster-proof majority.
Which Democratic America do you live in... @Angela S. - I am not aware of any such government in the United States where I live.
Liberals want it to be a democracy, because that empowers them to vote themselves more money from the public treasury.
That is exactly why our inspired founding fathers feared a true democracy; and they never set up any such government.
Doug Wright is.... @WL - An idiot!! He has been like the rest of the media pushing Obama on us for change. Problem is that we now have a Muslim in office that will destroy us. I used to have a great oppion od Mr Wright till he started backing Obama...Obama will make our economy worse and many business will either move out of the United States or close their doors. Our nation is in a greater peril now than it ever was. Socialism is now here and we Americans will lose a lot more under Obama...People wanted change so bad that they sold out our country for it. Get ready for the scariest ride of your life.
I agree this plane has NO PILOT!! Just an idiot without a learners permit...
Yo Will @Wil H. - Where have you been the last eight years? We have had socialism - for the rich. What do you think the multi billion dollar bail out was for? You? Unless your last name is Sorenson or Huntsman, it isn't likely that it helped you one iota.
So, just cover your eyes and enjoy the ride. We will let you know when to open them again!
... @Desertdancer - The rich are paying all the taxes right now. They didn't get a bailout, but even if they did it is their money! They paid it in taxes. 40% of the people in the US don't pay taxes. A family of 4 making 50,000 a year with a house payment will not pay any Federal Income Tax.
Who have you been listening to? Hugo Chavez? Chavez thought the Rich in his country had too much so he opened up land owned by the "Rich" to anyone who wanted to live on it. That is essentially what Obama wants to do. Steal from the Rich and Give to the poor.
It doesn't matter how much money someone has it is wrong to steal from them!
WHY WOULD ANYOND DISAGREE THAT DOUG WRIGHT IS AN IDIOT? @Wil H. - HE IS A COWARD WHO'S MOUTH TELLS GULLIBLE FOLLOWERS , OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY,HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES...ENOUGH ALREADY.
DOUG, IF YOU ARE READING THIS. "RETIRE" IT IS PAST TIME. GIVE ANOTHER PERSON THE RIGHT TO BRAINWASH UTAH LIKE YOU HAVE. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? RETIRE AND GIVE EVERYONE A BREAK. OBAMA...MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT. HE WILL DESTROY AMERICA! YOU CAN NEVER GIVE A BLACK CONTROL, THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO STRESS. THEY MAKE WRONG DECISIONS CONSTANTLY, AND ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A WHITE FOR ADVICE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY ARE..ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. WHAT THIS MAN WILL DO WILL DESTROY AMERICA. IF WE ARE LUCKY HE WILL GET OUT BEFORE HE DOES, HE IS A MADMAN.
So @SOON2BXLDS - You figure if you SHOUT IT IN ALL CAPS!! your point is more valid. TRY TURNING OOF THE CAPS KEY!!!!
Moron!!!
Not to mention what ever happened to "in a time of war you BACK your president or you're uinAmerican." OH I see only if that president is Republican right?
YOu're all a bunch of HYPOCRITES and pathetic littles[no swearing please]! Like you told those in 2004 if ya don't like it MOVE Canada isn't that far away. BUt I doubt you'd like it weither they have SOCIALIZE medicine.
But hey maybe some where in europe they might take you
but being YOUR preident alienated them all maybe they won'ttake you either. Hmm Iraq might be a good place for you you can even take your guns with you and shoot poeple. you'd like that huh?
Obama is NOT just a black man, he is also white @SOON2BXLDS - although I'm sure it is difficult for you to wrap your small bigoted pea brain around that fact. I will give you credit for being a great contortionist. I can't imagine how you were able to put that white pointy hat on backwards and still be to lose the pointy end up your nether regions. Speaking of madmen.....
Feel free to disagree with the guy, or dislike him personally, but please do it for the right reasons, instead of believing everything you read on the Internet.
Check snopes.com for accuracy on internet rumors, they tend to be quite accurate, and they cite their sources as well.
To be very clear, I am not an Obama fan and I did not vote for him.
@Lurkinlizard - I agree. Quit with attacking him over him being "Muslim". There is no real evidence of that. However feel free to disagree with his socialist agenda, that is well documented.
I also agree. @Lurkinlizard - Obama is not muslim. His father was... but that's not relevant.
Besides, even if he WERE muslim, would that really matter? Are we so biased toward non-christians that we fail to look beyond their religious beliefs? I've worked with several muslims. They are decent, moral, God-fearing people. True Islam is a faith of peace.
Secondly, Barack Obama is our President-Elect. I think he deserves our respect regardless of wheter we voted for him, John McCain, or Mickey Mouse. We should support him as our president. We should give him our respect until he has proven himself unworthy of such. To do otherwise is un-American.
P.S. FYI: I voted for someone else... but I believe wholeheartedly in our country and the democratic process. The People have spoken.
where have you been @Wil H. - I know of 3 big business in my area that moved to mexico already george w done a great job outsourcing america so now all he has screwed up obama will get the blame like he already is I dont know whats to be scarred about i can't be any worse than what we have.
I belive the out come @WL - of this election shows just how bad the Bush years got. People wanted no more Rebublican control. Even if Mccain was going to be a better man for the party. You can Blame the people in D.C. for this one.
100 Billion a month @WL - By Bush for the war can hardly be even approached with social programs. We've put up with the Republican tomfoolery of war mongering and social collapse for eight years. Buck up. You'll be alright.
Worst case scenario, we'll be as prosperous as under Clinton. Spooky!
@Nadja - According to usgovernmentspending.com in 2007 the Federal Government spent:
896 Billion on Health Care/Welfare
653.9 Billion on Defense
Don't forget that Defense is the PRIMARY purpose of the federal Government.
What Obama has proposed are new entitlement programs and to make Health Care a right provided by the Government by Taxing your employer. As an employer I would not be able to pay for the added tax burden and would cut employees.
Obama will break the Economy, and according to what he has proposed Double or triple Social Spending.
Are you insane? @WL - All you right wing republicans crack me up! Your scared for your children? Ya, because George Bush has put this country in a great position hasn't he "Is G.W. a republican?" O... that's right, yes he is! He's by far the worst president we've had since anyone alive can remember. No matter if McCain would have won or not the next 4 years will be hard for any president. When Obama doesn't fix everything Bush has screwed up for the last 8 years then you all will blame him for it.
I just laughed about all the lies and mistruths that people made up to scare people away from voting for Obama. I didn't get one email bad mouthing McCain but I must have recieved 200 about Obama.
As far as people pulling their money out of the stock market goes. How are we supposed to get our country out of debt if we don't tax someone? Obviously the last 8 years of running this country into the ground isn't working. Somebody has to pay and unfortunately nobody likes it. But we can't keep doing what we've been doing or we won't have a country to call our own. I just hope Obama does some good and tries to fix some of the problems we have. O and if anyone was wondering I am not a democrat :)
... @Zippeay - To get our country out of Debt we need to cut the single most expensive expenditure of the Federal Government. Social Spending is the largest expenditure of the Federal Government and the primary reason we are in debt. You just voted in a president that as a fix wants more of the problem.
Just remember that Defending our country and our freedoms is the primary purpose of the Federal Government.
Giving out a Welfare check to my cousin so he can spend his money on a brand new pickup truck is not what this country needs.
I know at least 15 people who receive either Welfare, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, Social Security, etc. It has helped none of them It has made them more dependent on Government and less responsible in their own lives. We need in this country not only the freedom to succeed, but the freedom to fail. That is what makes great Americans and makes America great! The change Obama wants is to change America into Canada, or Sweden. What Obama wants goes against the Self reliance, Family responsibility, and patriotism that made this country great.
WL @WL - I agree. It will be like the Clinton years. We didn't know how much damage he had done to the country until he was out of office and then everybody blamed President Bush for it. What scares me is the stakes are a lot higher now. President Bush has done a good job at keeping the terrorist at bay. Obama wants to what? Negogiate with them???
We still have a the greatest nation on the earth in spite of some of the poor misguided people ( so far)
we are just all going to have to fight as hard as we can now to keep it that way.
Scared as well @Mariannerocks - Here's my list: Socialism (spread the wealth), radical associations, abortion, voting history on 2nd Amendment, radical educational views, "Civilian Military", unwilling to salute the flag, Socialistic health care, racism, dishonesty, just to name a few.
I didn't vote for Obama.. @pharmer - But even I know that crap about "unwilling to salute the flag" is a crock. Look it up on snopes.com. Seriously, it REALLY blows my mind that so many people believe ANYTHING they hear.
Snopes??? @Billmcneal - why go to snopes when you can watch the video of all the other candidates with their hand over their hart and obama standing there disrespecting our flag! News interviews with him on why he won't wear the flag on his color.
oookkk... @hoot352 - Since you seem to just want to parrot what Hannity says (and remember I didn't vote for Obama - and I hate Hannity) and will believe anything you see on YouTube:
The Flag incident (it was the national anthem NOT the pledge):
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_anthem.htm
The Flag Pin scandal (oh, the horrors):
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1779544,00.html
... @Billmcneal - Who cares if it was the National Anthem vs the Pledge, It was down right disrespectful.
As for the video on YouTube, yes I believe what I see. Don't you?
Nobody cares about the Flag Pin.
The real problem with Obama is what he has said. Things like lowering taxes for 95% of Americans, when 40% don't pay any Federal Income taxes. That is very simple math. For some reason Obama prefers to lie than tell the truth.
Wait WL @WL - You forgot one key point in your statement about 95 % of Americans. The part about WORKING AMERICANS... I'm not exactly sure where you get your information from but it may have come from a republican stump speech.
... @rjcentury - Just because you work doesn't mean you pay taxes. A family of 4 with a house payment and $50,000 a year income will not pay Federal Income Tax. Under Obama they will get a welfare check disguised as a tax return.
... @WL - So if you pay more taxes during the year than what is required and get a check back how is that welfare? No matter what twist you want to put on your story these people are required to pay a certain %. Please tell me why large corporations should get huge tax breaks and ship jobs abroad? Or someone that starts a phony business so they can get out of paying there share of taxes.
@pharmer - My thoughts exactly!! What makes some stupid website like Snopes, the final say on what real or not? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!
WL @WL - If I heard someone doing that much damage to the National Anthem, I don't think I would put my hand on my heart either. What a lousy version of our National Anthem. Downright painful to the ear.
WL.... @WL - If you define patriotism by how someone treats the US Flag then I hope you didn't vote for the current President or Sen. McCain. Your standards cut both way....both Pres. Bush and Sen. McCain have actually autographed flags for their supporters ........a huge sign of disrespect and against flag etiquette (And shouldn't they be held to a higher standard since they were both in the Military?). There are pics at the link below (you need to scroll down for the Disrespecting the Flag part).
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Oh....BTW. Anthem Etiquette is that you stand at attention....no Saluting necessary. Saluting is for the Pledge and when the Flag passes by (in which case you should be facing it).
... @M I. - You salute when you are in Uniform. You put your hand over your heart when you are not. And I have never met a person who would knowingly not put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem. I didn't see a single other candidate showing such disrespect.
BTW this is not a major issue, this is just one of many small issues that are indicative of an elitist who has no respect for this country or what has made this country great. Obama only won 52% of the vote and not a Landslide. He received 63 million votes while Bush in 2004 received 62 million.
Obama only received 43% support among white Voters, while McCain received 55%. 95% of Black voters voted for Obama. 67% of latino voters voted for Obama. Obama has no clear mandate! He is a slick car salesman that has sold the American people a Lemon!
Snopes... @Billmcneal - Is a crock...They try and disprove everything...Besides the Media has been disproving all the bad media against Obama...You want the truth read his books...They will open your eyes!!! Everh hear the media talk about his books??? If anyone else would have written them they would have been all over that canidate. But the Media wanted Obama and they turned a blind eye to his books and refused to talk about them. So the Question is: DID you read his books before you decided to vote for Obama??? If not you have been lied to and you bought in to the greatest hoax of the 21st centry. You sold your soul to the media and allowed them to sway you how to vote. You allowed a radical to take over the white house that is just as dangerous as those who hate Americans. Now watch as America Reaps what has been sown...I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so...
This man could not get a security clearance due to his past associations and people he had contact with. This is based on the Homeland security Regulations. But the Congress. Senators and our Government officials are exempt from these rules and regulations. IF you are a government worker, Contractor or Soldier then you would haver to pass the security clearance to work for our government. Yet we vote him in as president...Though I am not a Bush supporter, history will look back and declare Obama worse than Bush...I am very afraid that we will see another great depression under his rule...
No what? @Wil H. - Bush and his bud's have run this country into the ground with their own brand of socialism... what this country needed was something/someone radical... thank God it happened.
@Jeff f - Yes, that picture is a real one. But, did you happen to notice how many other real pictures showed him with his hand over his heart? More than the one where he didn't. I very much doubt that he refuses to pledge allegiance, or to show respect for the national anthem. I don't care who you are, slander is slander. Now, let's actually move on to some real political issues.
@rzlmlchm009 - I agree, one specific time of not putting your hand on your heart does not mean you refuse to show respect to our flag. I think it was a bit of a blunder perhaps, being a candidate for president at the time and all. But like you i think there are more important things to look at. In my opinion the top three should be his socialist policies and beliefs, his stance on the second amendment, and his stance on the ill conceived fairness doctrine that seems to be on the democrat docket.
Please @pharmer - You have the largest fact-checking tool at your fingertips, why do you not use it?
McCain's corporatism should scare you more. He's in favor of handing over our last mode of free speech (the internet) to private companies like AT&T who would filter any content (for the right price) at the drop of a hat. Just like they helped the U.S. unconstitutionally spy on people who didn't even need to be spied on.
The only thing we can't afford to lose our free speech, and McCain is the biggest threat to the internet, and that Ted Stephens guy who said the internet is a series of tubes.
Trust me, without free speech, America would start transforming into China much faster than you think it would under Obama.
Please take off your tin foil hat, and use the most magnificent fact-checking tool at your fingertips, thanks.
What about the Fairness doctrine? @brlafreniere - Yet he and other libs support the Fairness Doctrine. This is a direct attempt to silence conservative talk radio. Isn't this a form of taking away free speech?
McCain is irrelevant now. @brlafreniere - Nothing about McCain is frightening now.
He lost.
He isn't a player.
As for Obama--all this talk about associations and patriotism and Socialism will be irrelevant in about five months. He will have been in office and we will know more or less where he stands on many issues.
Immediately, we should see the saving of tens of thousands of lives each year just by revoking Bush's anti-family planning executive orders and administrative policies.
When Bush took office, he stopped the US support of condom distribution to countries with serious AIDS problems, and the death rates increased considerably.
Another good thing that will probably happen is Obama's appointment of Supreme Court Justices who aren't Religious Right wack-jobs like Thomas and Scalia and Alito. I like Roberts so far. I hope Obama is able to appoint several justices. The anti-individual rights justices are now in the majority, and we need to re-establish balance. Too bad Sandra Day couldn't have held out until a less religiously zealous President was in office. Two of our most explicitly religious presidents have been our worst presidents: Carter and Bush.
get a clue @pharmer - u need to check your facts right, you are nothing than a blind hater, you said obama is racism lol that's funny to me can you define socialism and know what it is, what's happening in wall steet right now with the bush admistration is pure socialistic
Wrong... @good price - What is happening on Wall street right now is due to 20 years of bad Government decisions...It is due to government business practices of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac...It is due to Government being involved in the finance market and allowing it to crash...Heard of the housing bubble??? Well it burst and took the market with it. This problem has been going on long before Bush and company took office. Congress and the Senate set us up for failure and the economy crashed. Anyone who has been following this knows what happened...Don't believe the Dems version of this...They are just as guilty as the repubs...Both Parties decided to be blind on this one and let the economy crash during an election year.
Also Socialism as a program that has never worked...Obama and the Dems are Pure Socialists. Spread the wealth, Socialized Medicine, More Social Programs for the lazy people. Do you think as a middle class person you are going to get anyones wealth??? Think again. You make too much money...It will go to the poor, the people who are lazy and will not work, and to the illegals who are getting benifits that are for Americans. You think things are going to get better??? Well let me tell you, If taxes on business go up you will join the ranks of the unemployed as business will not only raise their prices, but will cut jobs. Businesses are already looking to see where else in the world they can go to cut costs. Expect to see double digit unemployment before Obama is 2 years into his new office. I own a business and IF my taxes go up I will lay off everyone and shut my doors. I will not pay more for Obama and his socalized programs. I will not be able to stay in business. Which means you will have less food to eat as I am a farmer and I will be hit the hardest. I get what ever the market bears. IF prices are high I make decent money, If prices are low I lose my shirt. I already pay enough in taxes that I did not make a profit this year. High fuel costs and rising wages killed me. This year I am in the negitive as far as profits go...Think Obama is going to help me??? Think I will get a share of anything??? Nope...I take the risks, I accept my profit and loss, and I am responsable for what happens with my business...I refuse to give out my meager profits so someone who does not take my risks can have a share of something they did not earn or work for. To someone who was too cowardly to take the risks and expect a handout. I would rather shut my doors and let somone else take the risks and pay high taxes. I will grow enough to take care of myself and my family and not worry about trying to get through hard times. I am not the only one who is thinking about shutting their doors. Others are looking to move their corporate headquarters to countries that really want them and will give them breaks. Good l;uck to those of you who wanted this change so bad that you were willing to sell our country down the drain and sell your sell to the devil. No I did not vote for either of the canidates in the major party's. Both are crooks and both helped to cause the mess we are in. I wanted real change, not socialism, not more of the same, not larger government, not more social programs, not socialized medicine and not a share the wealth plan. We needed real change and neither of the major parties canidates are the real answer. God help America, Cause our new president will not...
Will, Will, Will @Wil H. - Is there something wrong with you,why don't you realize the republicans have destroyed this country. This country was founded by democrat and it will allways do better while the democrats are in charge, it has been proven and you can do the research and compile the data and draw the conclusion yourself. The country is in bad shape, it was in good shape 8 years ago, what happened, republicans. Obama worked his was up, and he believes this country can be better. I love hoe you republicans loves to scare people, don't tell me you are not a republican because it is evedent in your words. You blame high fuel costs, high wages, socialized programs etc. I just wonder how much you pay your people, and what you charge your customers, the difference is your profit, and what do you do to earn it? And why shouldn't you pay taxes on it, afterall as a business owner you can write off all of your expenses, of which I am sure you persoanlly benefit from. The problem stems from greed, of which you are so proud to exploit. I just hope our elected president will be able to fix the problems the republicans have caused, and all I can say to you is get on board and be an american or get out of the way so we can get this country back where is should be.
Obama worked his way up?? @Sneaky Pete - Barack Obama has never had a real job in his entire life.
How is a guy who has no experience except going to school and living off the government supposed to know how to manage anything?
Wil H @Wil H. - Tell all your business friends good luck because they should expect a harder time getting their products imported to this or any other country… It may be as simple as just an affordability issue.
WHY EVERITHING WILL BE FINE!!!! @Mariannerocks - WHY ARE YOU SO SCARED?? this is one of the good guys!!! he is going to save us from evil, terrorist attacks, and yari yari yara. NOW you FEEL EXACTLY what other countrys feel when "AMARICAN" decide something new. today new CAR, tomorrow a new WAR, yesterday a new BLACK president, next week YOU dead. who cares this is a society that is very very disposable, DONT WORRY TOMORROW WILL BE FINE.
There needs to be another catagory for @pre - pissed off.
Scared is good, but doesn't quite cut it. Obama bought the election. He duped the ignorant people in society by making false promises and then encouraging them to get out and vote. (I hope they are false)
I loved the girl who said she was so excited because when she woke up in the morning she "wouldn't have to worry about the price of gas anymore, or about paying a mortgage." Then there is the guy that called into Hannity to say that he was voting for Obama because he "wants his check." I suppose that is where the nae "Messiah " comes from.
Please People! Do you have to make your ignorance so public? It just makes us more pissed off.
And to think, we traded a real war hero, with experience and an actual voting record for THIS?
To Pharmer: Even though McCain was a POW, his speech at the convention... @pharmer - had almost exact wording from Vladimir Lenin's speech at his "republic" party's nominating meeting which ushered in Leninism and the great fall of the Soviet Union's economy and his next moves for the country into communism and paranoia. And, though Stalin was put into office afterwards to correct things, he did worse for selfish power and hence the result was the communism we saw years ago. McCain's ideas scared me as much as Obama's.
Does it matter anymore who won once we hear communism spewing from both candidates mouths?
And, to ease your angst though, and to let you know I wish we had had a better Republican candidate to begin with, so we'd win, the story of Obama having all those millions from fundraising was all made up! And, the story of Obama's grandmother dying is also all made up! Also fabricated is the story of Obama spending a night on the streets of New York City when he was younger and washing himself with a fire hydrant. And, I believe his mother is living too and told him not to get him involved in the election at all so he told her he made up the story that she died! Who do we trust? I heard Obama say months ago that these stories were made up--as well as the campaign millions--and when the stress got to him he'd say to the press he was leaving to go to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother, but not really! Yet, months later, and a week before the election, he's supposedly flying off to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother!! All a big story.
I agree this Obama thing isn't going to go as well and everyone wishes. And, I wonder where he's going to vacation when the stress gets to him this time, but to tell you the truth, I'm Republican and am tired of the same old thing--and to me McCain's not young enough to do the job we needed! Even he admitted he never could put in the energy of a full campaing so he just kept having recorded speeches aired! He really wasn't out and about the country all month--Palin did most the work.
Guess Obama was "supposed" to win.
Oh.... no troll on me--even thought I don't know what it means!!! It is absolutely true what I've written. Sure... @tobyoneconoby - it is all dependant on seeing Obama saying himself that all these stories of his were made up....but I saw him say it on national television in the summer. Sure maybe I shouldn't bring it up right after he wins the presidency--he won and we're now praying for his success!! But, just ease your minds that he wasn't as truthful as everyone thinks. Maybe the national media had a photo of him and moved his mouth----nooooooooppppeeeeee! I saw him say that politicians always tell stories or make up things to please the public. Think about it! He said himself to think about it..."How could a campaign raise $150 million in a month?"!!! Well, don't be stumped. We'll see his work as President now--and may God continue to bless America! This is a great land and we have alot of things to do and correct. We have the first AfroAmerican President and I'll be praying for him.
Maybe the Democrats know how to help the economy and end/win a war or at least have it on their heads now how it goes since they've done so much complaining!!!
Toby @tobyoneconoby - Get back on your med's, you are hallucinating again. It is such a rare occasion that I tell someone to medicate themselves but reading your posts, I just had to tell you. You really need to seek help or quit reading things that create such mixed up messages in your head.
Amen Pharmer @pharmer - I am the famous Christy C from the article...now don't all applaud at once. HOnestly when I wrote that I was angry, of course I don't want him to fall on his....face(even though they implied otherwise).
I do however stand behind him not being my president. He is not and he never will be. He is the leader of this country for now.
I find it humorous that all these Dems keep saying give him a chance, or we need to get behind our president. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Are you the same ones who have been crucifing our current president? NO matter what you feel he did wrong he is still our president. Your logic makes no sense.
I have news for all you Dems, you will be getting a taste of what all of us have had to listen to for the past 8 years. I know this will happen, because Obama will destroy this country. Do I want that to happen? Of course not I have 5 kids, but I know it will happen.
The fact that he has bad judgement in friends means nothing to me now or that his wife isn't proud of this country.
What matters to me is the pressure he will get from the far left to SPEND SPEND SPEND all of our money. People act as if he is the second coming of Christ. SOmeone made a comment on here further up how the comments on here are what scares her. Have you seen the way these Obamaintes act?
It is remminiscent of that scene from the Mummy when all those people from the village are under a curse and are chanting the mummies name, just replace the mummies name with Obamas and you have it just about right. They are following blindly without question.
I guess it is now up to us Repubs to question every single move he makes, and magnify every bad choice he makes (starting with his pick of COS RAHM) You can't get further left then him. Excluding Pelosi and Reid.
In closing, buckle up we are in for a long a very scart ride. I pray at the end we are all still well enough and whole enough to walk off the ride.
Christy C @Christy C. - Doug Wright's analagy, I thought, was stupid.
If I am on a plane of course I don't want the pilot to crash. No one would hope for that. I don't want Obama to fail. If I am forced to board a plane that is going to a destination that I don't want to go, then I will be upset. If I find the pilot is anebriated, or not fit for the job in any way, I will be mad as well. I would ask how he got there in the first place, who allowed this to happen, how could he be so selfish etc. etc. I would worry about the safety of other passengers as well as my own. Does that mean I want him to crash and burn? Of course not. I want him to succeed for the good of everyone on that plane. I am just pissed off. And I have every right to be.
That is exactly how.. @pharmer - I feel Phar. I am in shock that so many people were duped by this used car salesman. If any of them had actually listened to what he was saying, they would realize he does not have any intention of making things better.
He is going to systematically destroy our country, first with the economy, then with our defense. Finally with immigration. I don't think people quite grasp what is going on here, they are too caught up in the excitement of the win.
Reality is about to hit 63 million americans, for the other 55 million of us it has already hit. I was scared before Obama was elected...now I am TERRIFIED!
My husband and I have 5 children that we need to protect, and 63 million of us have just ruined thier future.
IF he comes out of his 4 years making the country a better place then how he found it, then great I will be thrilled beyond belief. However, I unfortunately know that is not going to happen. The Dems have been in control of the congress for just over 2 years and look at where they have taken us.
Now imagine not only are they in charge of congress but they are a majority in the senate they are in the White HOuse and 2 more will be appointed to the Highest Court in this land.
This country has we had once known it is gone, we will all be changed forever. I dont mean change in a good way either. In a time like this ones instinct would be to say "I TOLD YA SO". But really I dont think I want to say it, because the I told ya so is going to hurt my family and everyone else I love.
May God bless us all and protect us we are really going to need it!
Hypocrite @Christy C. - You discredit yourself in your first three paragraphs. First, you make it clear that you refuse to consider Mr. Obama as YOUR president, but then by paragraph three you're appalled that we don't all just blindly accept our current president's pathetic record and actions just because he's OUR president. Have you seen his approval ratings lately? No, he's definitely YOUR president and you're a hypocrite and YOUR logic makes no sense.
KSL: You and your board of directors ought to be ashamed of yourself for even starting this unbelievable tirade. Talk about anti-American and anti-patriotic. Yes, freedom of speach is one thing but you do have a moral obligation here.
Guess what people - we don't always get what we want. But WAKE UP, we're in a Democracy here and the majoriy wins - like it or not. Stop your crying. I have yet to see a president or ANY representative be all things to all people. We do have a system that I'm personally proud of as being the best government on the planet but it's not perfect.
Me too. Here's why: @Mariannerocks - My top ten list of predictions for the next 4 years (no particular order, assuming liberals retain control of congress):
1. Tax increase of a minimum of 10% to everyone except those on welfare
2. Welfare dependants increase by 15%
3. Gas prices above 5$ per gallon
4. Iraq falls to terrorist control resulting in at least one major terrorist attack on our home soil.
5. Gay marriage legalized in most states not having amendments to the contrary
6. Final year budget deficit over 2 trillion dollars
7. Food/commodity prices up 20%
8. Unemployment increases by 3-5 points
9. High school test scores fall at an accelerated rate and college graduation rates fall 10% or more per capita
10. Individuals living within poverty level increase by 10%
That's my purely gut hunch guess...we'll see if I'm right at the end of 4 years.
hold up @pre - you talk so much about illegal immigration and crime, well when you think about it , the jails and prisons are not just full of immigrants , they are also full of "WHITE PEOPLE" that are supposed to be better than the so called "rest" , so heres something for mind, 15 % of crime will increase and about 10% would be violent crimes done by "WHITE PEOPLE"
Not saying that US citizens don't commit crime @Cognac - but the numbers don't lie. Go look up crime stats on illegals. And I was referring to all illegals, not just Hispanics. I don't care if they are Chinese, Russian or whatever. If they are here illegally they are equally disliked by me.
most of them @pre - well most of the "lower jobs" are taken by those immagrants , some jobs that you wouldnt even take, so why not give them to people who dont mind taking them? its not like its affecting you in anyway? im sure you live in a place where crime is not an issue for you? so why complain, its not hurting your wallet.
Okay, I'll give one response: @Cognac - Never had more than 10,000 dollars to my name, and that was for a month after saving for 5 years and I used it to put myself on a humanitarian trip.
I've never held more than 300 dollars in my hand.
I have worked jobs both alongside immigrants, and ones they wouldn't do, and I was grateful I could work to boot.
I've spent a lot of time living in inner city Houston.
I am currently putting myself through college with no outside assistance--that's right, mom and dad aren't helping me because they have the rest of my family to take care of.
Think I haven't seen the side? think again.
Difference is I can still think straight and solve my own problems instead of wanting someone else to bail me out.
WELCOME TO THE WORLD @pre - and when your done with school, that is the biggest accomplishment for you, then why not be gratefull of everything no matter how different it is to you? you talk so down to all immigrants as they are "equally disliked by you" but maybe one day you'll suprise yourself by working for one that is if you dont have your own company... for someone going to college, your views on immagration are very ignorant for someone who has had it hard. but then again its your opinion and nor me or the world can tell you otherwise.
I said @Cognac - "illegal immigrants" I have no problem with the legal ones...in fact I would favor making it easier for law abiding, decent people who would contribute to society to come into this country. I only have a problem if someone is going to break the law coming in and then cause problems when they are here. I do NOT dislike ALL immigrants. Read carefully.
Oh, and thanks for the welcome. I'm quite enjoying it. ;)
OK @pre - i see completly what your saying, but how can you judge so quickly on them , when the many that are already born here break the law equally as bad,.... ?? you must fix from within to expect anything to work outside.
Is KSL gonna have to start monitioring for swear words in Spanish? @E.J. - Congratulations, you learned something from your 7th grade spanish class, and just told everyone to "F" themselves.
@pre - The high school test scores probably will fall some more and the college students are being taught by socialists. The dumbing down of America is already rampant. Heaven help us!! This election was an orchestrated event that has been in the works for years, being done ever so subtley so we wouldn't notice. Socialism is in the works!! Guaranteed!!
I'm not a conspiracy theorist @Scorpio Two - but in a lot of ways I have to agree with you, sadly. If something doesn't change drastically at the end of this electoral cycle I'm afraid America as we know it (knew it?) will be no more.
Scorpio Two @Scorpio Two - America has been "dumbing down" for quite a few years now. Hopefully Obama will change that because he sees a need for educated children.
More Top 10's @pre - 1. A weakened military that can not protect us.
2. Free speech gone.
3. Freedom of association gone.
4. A Brown Shirt like para military "national defense" force.
5. Federal Budget gone wild.
6. All large companies taxed into submission and scared out of this country taking jobs and tax bases with them.
7. Increased intolerance of religious beliefs.
8. 2 more ultra liberal judges on the supreme court
9. Even more wars around the world because we are so weak and unwilling to stop anything.
10. Complete lack of respect around the world as Obama seeks to talk bad guys into submission.
Another top 10 @pre - 1-Civilian Military (whatever that is)
2-No more 2nd Amendment rights
3-Michelle Obama
4-Infanticide here to stay
5-Taxing small businesses out of business
6-$1 trillion extra gov. spending
7-Socialized Medicine
8-Large corporations hiding money, cutting jobs, leaving the country
9-Sitting down with leaders from Iran unconditionally
10-A notional disaster in the first 6 months (Mark Bidens words) And they won't respond appropriately, but we still need to back them up.
Pharmer Another top 10 @pharmer - Out of you're top 10 the only one I would like to see is Socialized Medicine of some type. Have you ever had anyone around you get cancer or die from cancer and watch them lose all they worked hard for go up in smoke becuase of the HIHG cost of med. bills. Have ever got sick and have you're insurance co. not cover much at all? I have and I have seen a good friend lose it all just to survive. I do not know what you're life is like and the money you make but alot of us can't aford to get sick in this country. Somthing needs to be done.
Take a look... @slomoriot - Countries that have socialized medicine pay more for their medicine and health care. Unless Physicuians are paid by the healthyone, then medical costs will skyrocket and your end will be in more costs to you. Socialized medicine does not work and it never has worked.
slomoriot @slomoriot - Hey, I feel your pain. We have had serious health issues and accidents in my family (one with my own kid). We sacrificed for years and years paying it off. I know families that can never get on top of it because the problem is chronic. It is heart breaking. I would love for someone to step in and say, don't worry about that bill, I got it. I would love to do that for someone else.
I have another perspective too though. I have worked in health care for 17 years now. I am, by no means, the expert on this topic, but I do have an opinion. I agree that something needs to be done. I have many ideas on what that is, but that is a whole other issue.
I believe passionately, that the government should not be involved in health care as far as trying to run it. It would be a disaster. The quality of health care would be in the toilet. Look at other government employees. They take no pride in their work. They are mean and insensitive. Do you really want your Dr. or Nurse to be that kind of person? The quality of research and medication would decline as well.
People are driven by a free market. I currently own a business. I work long hours, take risks, make sacrifices, have to pay unbelievable taxes. I could probably make more money working for someone else with half the headache. Sometimes I wonder if it is all worth it. But I am driven by the possibility of success. It is like my baby that I am raising. I dream of financial success and independence and of being able to help others financially. I am proud of my employees and the pride they take in their work. I have exciting ideas that sometimes work and sometimes do not, but they are my ideas that I get to implement. That is what is rewarding about a free market.
Take that drive away and we don't have new research and ways to save lives and manage diseases. There won't be Dr.'s that are willing to spend 10+ years in school and work long, gruelling hours in behalf of the patient.
I hate paying medical bills and then I remind myself that my family would be much smaller than it is if I weren't paying those bills. I am not giving a lecture on gratitude. I know it is tough, but the government is not the answer. That would only make the problem worse.
Look at other countries that are doing that right now. Sure, some people like it, but the majority do not. They wait for months for an MRI. They die while waiting for an operation.
They are also leaning on the USA, using our expensive research and new procedures and medications. We are the leader in health care for the world. We do not have the luxury of leaning on another country. We are it.
Yes, something needs to be done, but please, do not push for bigger gov. There are other, better ways. Gov. involvement would defeat the reason you want them to be involved in the first place, and then there would be no where to turn, even if you have all the money in the world.
Slomoriot @slomoriot - Since when are we supposed to save everyone from dissapointment and hardship. At some point in our lives all of us has had it. If it doesn't kill us it only makes us stronger. That is the american way. We don't force people to help out we ask and the american people give generously. Taxing is forcing.
Slomoriot @slomoriot - Since when are we supposed to save everyone from dissapointment and hardship. At some point in our lives all of us has had it. If it doesn't kill us it only makes us stronger. That is the american way. We don't force people to help out we ask and the american people give generously. Taxing is forcing.
top ten @pre - Many of the future problems our economy and lives face is because of what the current president has done. Your predictions of unemployment increases are already happening. If you knew what was going on in the economy you would notice 3-5 point loss in employment would probably be the low end. Obama wants to create an education system where teachers are paid on their perfomance.. That sounds like a capitalistic view to me..and you say socialism? Holding teachers accountable will only make your child actually have to listen and pay attention. Sorry, attention deficit disorder wont work as an excuse anymore,, you just might have to pay attention and become a responsible parent, but then again its probably not your kids fault nor yours. It never is. A final year deficit of 2 trillion dollars,, that is nothing compared to what Bush has done. Obama at least gave us a plan of how he intends to pay for his plans.. Mccain never once gave us an explanation how he would get the money? Not only that, he said he would freeze all spending. Thats like you saying i am not going to pay my house payment for a couple months to figure out where my money is going.... Try that and let me know how it works out for you. 2 trillion dollars would be chump change under his plan. Tax increase of 10%.. are you joking? Obama isn't tring to be socialistic, he is trying to stop the corrupt capitalists that put us in this mess. Put your gun down and focus on life instead of shooting things and you might realize what life is really about. There have been way to many foxes with keys to the hen house and no one watching.. Not only that, the fox was able to lend out money to other foxes to by the chickens from him and he maid commissions on the financing to boot... All we needed was a gaurd in front of the hen house to manage what was going on and our economy wouldn't be in this mess... He was probably getting paid off...It was time for a change, and that is what we got... Take your head out of the sand, smile, and get back to work..
Wow. that was long @Chad Aalders - I'll agree that a lot of it is because of Bush. Not a fan of him either. My point is that Obama will exacerbate the problem rather than fix it. As for McCain I agree with you almost completely...same goes for him. I didn't vote for either windbag. As for education, it is unconstitutional for the feds to even be involved...capitalist you say? A capitalist ed. system would let the states handle it, generating competition.
Anyway, just watch, Obama's promises of prosperity will NOT materialize. Corruption will get worse, not better.
Oh, @pre - and to clarify what I meant by a "final year budget deficit of 2 trillion" ...that would be just for that year ALONE, not the cumulative amount. Bush will only get 1 tril.
Amen @Chad Aalders - In your scenario the guard in front of the hen house is Sean Hannity and others like him, diverting attention away from the slaughter, while the foxes glut themselves. It was time for a change four years ago, when the foxes were so fat they couldn't even get back out of the hen house! Four years later and the foxes have become so fat, that the hen house broke under their enormous girth! Wake up America! It's time to shed a few pounds, and get back to work! We've got a hen house to rebuild, and it's not going to be easy!
Oh, Chad @Chad Aalders - Your analogy of this administration was priceless. "Too many foxes with keys to the hen house". Love it, some time you have give simple explanations for some people to understand. Thanks for your great comment.
really? @pre - Complain about gas prices. Indeed a mature approach to the situation. Are you working to change it? I doubt not. Will your complaints keep coming? Ill gladly put money on it. I bet that within these 4 years to come you will do nothing but complain about everything instead of trying to make a difference. Typical lazy american. Obama is trying to wake America up to change these "woes" of yours so I dont have to listen to you complain. Seriously? Grow up.
Nope @Conor P. - actually I'm majoring in Mechanical Engineering with an emphasis in automotive design...specifically I will be dealing with alternative fuels and propulsion methods. That's if I can afford to finish my degree and/or get a job under Obama.
Pre @pre - Get a real degree...ART HISTORY...According to "H", you will be able to afford an education...But I doubt you will find a good job, unless it is with the civilian security force.
Of course @pre - my statement was sarcastic. Not sure why people get a degree in art history, but they do. Your ME degree is VERY respectable. I wish you the best...I spent 7 years as an Electrical Engineer, until I jumped into sales...Not sure why I made that leap.
Exactly, Conor @Conor P. - I can't tolerate whiners. Like Obama said, we all in this together. We've all got to do our part in trying to make America better. We don't have time to sit around and whine and complain.
Not sure about that @pre - It seems like we were almost there this year; during the Bush administration. I think that we're ready for a change. It's also intriguing that over 90% of foreign countries would have voted for Obama. And maybe we'll get smart and get rid of "No Child Left Behind" and start leaving those children behind who can't cut it, rather than making those who can cut it, stay behind with those who can't.
Listen up @Mariannerocks - Okay for the 24% that are scared, just like me.. I think its our chance. Lets stop right now wanting a president fail. As Americans we need to support a president. EVEN if we dont support his ideas. Our country is more divided, and we just need to support.
I see it on the boards here, on ksl, as just people pointing fingers. Lets just reach the facts that Obama is in for four years, that might be great for some people, but for some, like me, it might not be the great situation. But im sick of of just wanting a president fail, lets stick up and act like Americans for once, and come together. STOP blaming bush, clinton, banks, for one time. and realize that maybe those sub prime loans were us. those living without their means were ourselves. Lets just support, even if we dont agree. Now thats american!
I must disagree @guitargal333 - I'm not vilifying Obama (I voted for him) but...
You should never blindly 'support' your leaders... what if we were in nazi germany, would you support your leader regardless?
We are responsible for the people we put in power, but we're not responsible for the sub prime mortgages (clinton actually made it a law to give out more sub prime mortgages) but it is OUR fault for electing him.
Support alone will do nothing... you have to actually USE that MAGNIFICENT fact-checking tool (the internet) that you have at your fingertips.
I agree. @brlafreniere - I'm glad there's at least one Obama supporter with some sense. Not sure why you voted for him, but I can tell you personally had some good reasons to. I can respect that. I have a problem with people who just voted for him because he said the word change and it was the cool thing to do.
Saying that, we do need to be courteous to one another at the same time as making our opinion known (which I sometimes fail at). Not sure how I'm going to reconcile myself with this situation since Obama's views are diametrically opposed to mine in almost every instance. I guess this all just means that we should do our homework and exercise our civic duty and vote for and support the candidate we think is best for the country and make our voices heard respectfully at every opportunity.
Scared? @Mariannerocks - The irrational fear expressed by many on this and other boards comes only from having been sold a bill-of-goods by a campaign of misrepresentation and fear, especially as expressed by Gov Palin. Too many people were convinced by a candidate who offered nothing positive, only fear, and now we see it reflected by the posters here.
Given a choice between positive solutions coupled with hope and intelligence from Obama versus fear and ignorance from Gov Palin, the choice was easy, not only for me, but also for the majority of Americans. It is no accident that the level of education, knowledge (as opposed to email myths and fables) and intelligence correllated directly with support of Obama and inversely to support of McCain-Palin.
I didn't vote for Obama.. @Just-commenting - But I have to agree with the irrational fear thing... Scared? If you are a moron, and believe all of the email myths etc, yeah, I guess you would be scared. Guess what people? Just because it's on the internet, or "you heard" someone say, doesn't make it true... boggles the mind.
scared @Billmcneal - i'm scared for the service members who are going to be underfunded to perform the duty's. i'm scared for the everyday citizen who has to pay more in taxes so that those who are to lazy to work and just go on welfare will have a free paycheck. i'm scared for when we get our gun rights taken away and thugs on the street are running around town without the fear of being shot back at. the list goes on and on and on
hoot352 @hoot352 - It's obvious that you have been fed too many lies from people like Hannity, Limbaugh, and Bill O. And, if you listened to many of the campaign videos of McCain/Palin, you would have clearly heard all the hate and dooms-day predictions from them if Obama won. Sadly, when McCain made his speech after the loss to Obama, the crowd was still in that hate Obama mode. Whenever McCain mentioned his name they would let out their boos. How childish. But, in Obama's victory speech, whenever he mentioned McCain, people cheered. They were respectful to the opposing party.
Hey Bill perfect hair mcneal @Billmcneal - I have every right to be sacred, mad or whatever emotion I am having. Who are you to tell me or anyone how to feel?
Where did you get your superior opinions? Hopefully first hand and not from the Internet. I suppose you know Obama personally.
Fine, be scared.. @pharmer - but at least let it be a rational fear, not based on falsehoods and lies (again, didn't vote for the guy..)... Yes, snopes.com is on the internet, and is generally considered an unbiased source of information on rumors etc. Someones blog or chain email is more than often not.. that is what I was referring too..(hint: Hannity is not a good unbiased source of info)
i am not @Mariannerocks - what are you scared about? in a few years there will be no more o-zone and the weather is going to change eradically causing more disease and earthquakes and stuff like that , you should not be scared of OBAMA , anybody would be a better president than bush and it should also be the least of your worries.
@Cognac - Why does everyone ignore the scientific community that says global warming is a naturally occuring event. It is cyclic in nature. Have you ever heard of the Hegalian principle? It is a hoax perpertrated on people to instill fear in order to manipulate people. The ice caps melted during the times of the dinosaurs, and there were no cars then, so what caused that dinosaur dung!!!
climate change @Cognac - the ozone isn't going to change over night. The state of the ozone now has been the product of all time since the begining of the industrial age. It's taken a long time for the ozone to get in the state it's in. Pres. Bush 08?? I'd vote Yes!
BACK-PEDALING ALREADY... HERE WE GO @Mariannerocks - What a two-faced, forked-tongued, politician!
It is only the day after he is elected and he is already start the snake dance, squirming out of his promise to change things!!!
Read it for yourself!-
With Victory in Hand, Obama Aides Say Task Now Is to Temper High Expectations:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06expect.html
Who cares @Mariannerocks - John or Barack, doesn't matter. The president doesn't run this country anyhow. He is only the whipping boy when things go bad, and lauded when things are going well. Corportations rule the world, want a real vote? Become a lobbyist.
I'm just glad @Mariannerocks - I have my years supply of food ready to go for the innveitable armageddon comming our way when we get attacked again. =)
Mariannerocks @Mariannerocks - "Only thing we have to fear, is fear itself" (FDR's first inaugural address). I am very happy that Obama won this election. Now, let's move forward.
News update on Palin @Mariannerocks - http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=6196407&page=1
I can't believe you people! You all need to get out and get a life because whether you like Obama or not he is the President and we as people should support him and hope he will make the country better and stronger than it is today.
Why are not more of you angry at BUSH? He's the jerk who got us where we are because he lied to us and he let the banks and credit card companies run amuck because they lined his and the republican parties pockets. Now we are in HUGE debt, have no money and people can't even file bankruptcy to get away from the banks and what they owe.
On a side note I think all of you who have defended Palin to the end should read today's story on ABC News and think to yourself, "Maybe I should have sent an email to McCain demanding she be dropped from the ticket for a better choice running mate." This is 70% the reason many of us long time republicans shifted and voted for the democrat.
You people need to Wake UP! @Mariannerocks - All these negative comments coming from the very same people that voted George Bush in to office. We all see where his economic policies have placed us. Republicans DO NOT have your best interest in mind! Period! The proof is there. However the best you have on The new president elect are sean hannitys talking points! Give the man a chance. Besides, Jesus was a liberal! I think he was a good guy. And you all worship him!
Marrianerocks @Mariannerocks - your a moron and those of you who voted ditto are too...scared that hes a democrat or scared that hes black give me a break...
I am not a moron..... @Daniellemrm1978 - If you think people don't like Obama because he is black, then YOU are the MORON! I don't like his elitist attitude and think his wife has that same attitude. Color has nothing to do with it.
Im scared..... @Daniellemrm1978 - because of his past. Go do some reasearch & maybe youll find a few things out about him. & also try to stop insulting people for their opinions & views! & to think people like you r allowed to even vote!
The begining of the end of our democracy @Mariannerocks - 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
- Alexander Tyler
Truly a sad, sad day for American This was taken from an article written by Declan McCullogh on CBSNEWS.COM today.
"Neither party is especially prudent on fiscal matters, of course. But the ability of either to exercise monopoly power in Washington, or something close to it, should worry anyone concerned about limits on government and worried about new taxes and harmful restrictions on free trade.
Divided government has its benefits. One calculation says the best times for the U.S. stock market -- a 20.2 percent stock market return and a 4 percent GDP increase -- happened under a Democratic president and a Republican Congress. Then there's the remarkable stock market boom after the 1994 mid-term election".
Real facts, Real numbers, and the numbers never lie.
I was thinking more like some nice island with a beach somewhere... @Private O. - ...canada is still more socialist than we are...not for long if Obama has his way.
Hey Everybody @emptynester - Why are we making angry jabs at people who wish to move because they find the political climate intolerable...? That is how our nation was founded, isn't it...? When did we start ridiculing those who strive for liberty?
I only wish voters would quit voting for more of the same (from the Dems and Reps both) so that our freedoms would stop eroding.
When people think they need to leave this country, that actually does say something....
PLEASE READ THIS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!!! @vision - Ok. i have been looking at the exit polls of this election and have come to the conclusion that if Obama was white, then McCain would have won. I have done the numbers and they say.
With 97% Reporting
Obama had 63,679,596 Votes
McCain had 56,278,372 Votes
for a total of 119,957,968 Votes
The Black people = 13% or 15,594,536 Votes
Now Obama received 95% of the Black Votes
So if 50% of the Black vote went to McCain then 7,797,268 Votes will come from Obama and go to McCain
and that would make the outcome of
Obama 55,882,328 Votes
McCain 64,075,640 Votes
And McCain Wins.
These numbers would have changed many of the states, and McCain would have easily won Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Probably More.
If the Black Communities were not so determined to have a black president then we would have McCain as the President-elect right now.
Please tell me if i am delusional or if i'm on to something.
Uh... no @Chunkylover 239 - That is not how it works... It is all based off electoral votes. So even if you did the numbers they would still be off....
But you McCaine could have won if the black vote turn out wasn't so large.
I think it is sad that this is the only time the black vote has been at its highest.
And how? @Billy_Jack - How will a great acceptance speech really translate into helping the American people? So he's a great orator - big deal. I'd rather have someone who really cared about the rights of unborn children than a good speech giver. Whoopdeedoo.
get a clue @JustThinkingOutLoud - trust me you will be surprise how many people in utah that's going to nevada to have abortion, they have the highest rate in the nation and yet they always acting like they so perfect,or know everything, you are so full of it, you need to get out more because over 63 millions people voted for obama, joy was everywhere in the planet do you relly think what you believe or think right now is matter, save for the next four years,
Huh? @good price - I might give your comments some consideration if they made any sense, but they don't. Rambling with no punctuation, etc., is simply a bunch of mumbo jumbo. If you want to make a point, use some decent grammar and maybe somebody will take you seriously.
Yes, something monumental But that would have been the case with either party because of the female V.P. position. I think more people voted for him just because it was the "hip" thing to do - a young black senator. I am not prejudice, and would be delighted to vote for a black male or female if their views were more closely aligned with my own. But I really think it was the "in" thing to do to cast the vote for him.
I'm not necessarily scared, but I am disgusted. If you look closely at Obama's position on many things, and particularly at his view of protecting life (or not, in this case), that's downright pathetic. To think that someone that has so little concern for the value of life would be leading this whole nation - wow. What does that really mean for all of us?
Just watch here, and you'll see for yourself: http://americaschoicenow.com/
Thanks for the reminder. Things could get better in some ways very quickly @JustThinkingOutLoud - Most Americans are personally against abortion and are pro-choice. Just because someone is not willing to take away a woman's reproductive choices does not mean they are not pro-life. You should not be able to use the government to force your religious beliefs on others regardless your extreme emotionality over your inability to control other people's choices.
It is disgusting and pathetic that people think they have the right to make reproductive decisions for women. Obama can only do so much to influence choice in America, but it will be good to have a person in office who will not continue the deadly policies of the last administration relative to reproductive health.
Abortions increase considerably under conservative policies because many neo-conservative (The Post-Barry Goldwater Conservatives) are against family planning and birth control. More pregnancies have a direct correlation with the number of abortions, and conservative policies on sex education and birth control lead directly to pregnancies. For example, Texas and its abstinence-only approach to pregnancy prevention has lead to the highest level of unwanted pregnancies in the nation. The Bush Administrations policies on internation aid to organizations providing reproductive health assistance has cost tens of thousands of lives each year.
I was pissed. I didn't even turn on the tv last night and stayed away from the computer as well. I didn't want to hear what I already knew. It is a sad day for America when we allow someone to come and take over the country who is going to spend the next 4 years making our lives harder. And then the next four years will be even harder cause we will have to play clean up. It is sad to think that we as americans who value being american citizens are on the verge of world war because of poor choices that are to be made. I am absolutely depressed about the outcome of the elections. YOU BET!!!!
@sideng - A constitutional republic is a form of democracy.
The constitutional limits on how people and groups can use government power is critical to de-fanging the majority's ability to destroy liberty in the name of conformity and pious meddling in people's personal lives.
And what if the opposite happens? @Brandi B. - What if things do get better? Will you admit it or will you continue to hate the other side because their color is blue and why are you so sure things will get worse? That's a defeatist attitude.
I had hope for George W Bush after he was elected because I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was proud when he said we were going to get the [no swearing please] who made the towers fall but not long after that I became horrified that this man who we call our president took such a wrong turn.
So how about we all just sit back for awhile, have some popcorn and enjoy the show then we can decide if it's going to be a horror flick or not.
things get better? @Billy_Jack - If things get better all the more power to America. It's gonna take more that just a good president to make things better. I'm all about living the life of an American. I pay taxes, I drive the road, and I fight for our country. Someone who doesn't salute the flag and what it stands for shouldn't be our president. Don't try to change the standards of truth for your own well being. Make our country who we once were. A country who was the wealthiest, whose army was the strongest, who others wanted to be like. Come to America to be an american, TRULY!!! We will see in 4 years where we stand, hopefully we still stand.
@Billy_Jack - Excuse me didn't W keep us safe. Let's see how long before we get hit again now. It does us no good to address the economy if we aren't safe. Personally I don't want a Red Dawn for my grandchildren.
continuation.... @Wheels - This is just a continuation from the Bush years... so yes this country will be a mess for the next 20 years but not because of Obama but because of Bush.
at this point....... @Johnny C. - at this point...... with the way things are going, having to give the acceptance speech behind bullet proof glass it ain't gonna be long till the VP is our president and that isn't any better!!!!
I agree 338 Magnum Remember in Evita, when Antonio Banderas said the people get the government they deserve - unfortunately the rest of us will be affected along with the idiots that voted this guy in. The crowds for Obama were sickening. They were like 16 year olds drooling over Elvis. Mush brains. Lincoln said if destruction be our lot it must come from within. Well here we are. Ain't it grand!!!!!
when it happens.... @Scorpio Two - I am a proud gun owner in this country but you know when it happens they will go door to door collecting our guns so no protection from anyone in this world. Lets talk about scared. Are they gonna refund all my money for those guns? I don't think so. Good luck collecting anything from me.
When in the history of this country... @Brandi B. - did anyone "go door to door collecting our guns?" What possible historical precedent makes you think that this could possibly happen in this country?
@Tim G. - When did we have a marxist in the white house? This is unprecedented, it hasn't happened in history, but until now there has never been a marxist in the white house. The democrat party went after Joe the Plumber for asking a question of Obama to which Obama accidentally said he wanted to spread the wealth. They did not have the right to investigate this citizen. And the anchorwoman in Florida who asked some real questions of Joe Biden (the only one besides Fox news who did) her station got blackballed. Do you see a pattern here?
Precedents: @Tim G. - Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, just to name three. Don't think it will happen in 4 years, but if the current trend continues I give it less than 20. Possibly much less.
Really? @pre - I certainly hope you're not honestly likening Obama to the likes of them, because not only is that a stretch, it's a down right ignorant sentiment.
When in the history of this country..... @Tim G. - Did we ever have such a marxist as a president? When in the history of this country did we ever elect a punk (no swearing please) 'd snot nosed junior senator as the president of the United States? When did we ever have a group of people in such positons of power that hated this country and what it stands for so much? The cards are on the table and these things could happen to this country now. No one thought Hitler would do what he did either.....now did they?
@armymedic - Actually Utahns are some of the best educated people in the nation, and if you think there are too many kooks here, no one is keeping you here. Move back East it is going to get really interesting back there and they are more of a target for the next terrorist attack!!
@armymedic - Heaven help the soldiers if you are a medic!!! I personally think you are a liberal plant. I served 20 years in the Army, never met a medic as kooky as you.
we will keep an eye on you @Scorpio Two - the real terrorist right now is you trying to terrorize people with fear and mis-information,by the way education doesn't buy commonsense,and that's what hypocrites here need.
edukated Uta ans @Scorpio Two - Grate comant! Ewe kan tale hough smhart evryone iz bye seaing al thu korect spellin an centenc strukur en theeze posts! Wee iz smhart!
scarded I just watched bama speak about how we didnt vote for him (as a person I guess) but we voted for a change. Im sorry Ill have to yaaaaaa disagree on that one.
When 95 percent of the black vote went to bama you know it wasnt just change, values, or life they were voting on. They were voting in the first bi-racial President. They were voting for someone that is like them.
I beleive more people voted for him *(the name and the promise) then voted for him because they really know him, or understand his policies.
You know what Obama would be called if he were the same man but a Republican? he would be called white.
So please with all of our race talks try and remember that racists come in every color,religion, region, etc.
I wish I had more faith in him (he hasnt earned it) I wish I trusted him (he hasnt earned it) and I wish I believed he may govern toward the center, and work with republicans..but I don't think he will.. hes already vetting a liberal that is more liberal then bama himself...I hope (as sean Hannity said) and I swear Im mean this:
I hope that bama succeeds, I hope that he finds a way to pull this country together and I hope he can keep us safe. I hope that Im wrong.....I fear I wont be but I still hope, and for the first 6-8 months ill just sit back and watch ~ so Ill give him a little time.
I will also hold him and the dems responsibile for everything from Jan 09 on. Its all in their hands now and they say they know exactly what to do with it....we'll see. But now they have no one in the world to blame except themselves......no republican fall guy.
I hope Im wrong....
I do not want to see this presidency turn into a 4 year love fest which very easily could happen. Barrack will not be able to do anything wrong in the eyes of his supportrs. and no matter what he does in office good or bad.
Bama will get a free pass from the libs and the African Americans.
Im proud to see a country that has gone that next step and voted for a bi-racial man. I have no problem with that, and I think its great for all the USA. Im happy for every person of color becuase the joy they must feel- isnt really even something Ive felt in my life time...except when our soldiers and others were trying to save lives after 911. That trying time was the time I felt truely American and like we were all on one team.
Today the libs scare me...
nancy
harry
barny
biden
bama and others
Im sorry They just scare me. But for this countries sake I hope that Obama does well.... if not we'll have Hannity and Orielly and others keeping on him and others.
well i had to take some meds for a headache and they are bugging me out...( i think its election/ksl/day after headache..) so Im out.
I clearly remember being concerned and scared when GW was voted in in both 2000 and 2004 and it turns out I had every reason to be. Now I'm very excited about Obama's win and optimistic for the future of our country.
Russia's already flexing their muscles I thought it was interesting that the russians announced today they are getting ready to take out our missle shields in Poland and Chekoslovakia. Yep Bama is going to be tested. I didn't like the McCain choice either, but he wouldn't have needed to be tested, he was feared. So what happens to our country or to Israel when these commies and radicals decide to test Obama. It is going to get interesting to say the least.
welcome to the choir @Private G - i'm glad to see that obama used the same type of speech as his christian public figure uses. The racist american hating liberal.
... Ok, I'm going to throw in my long 2 cents*. And I'll first say that I'm glad you all are happy and excited for Obama!! I'm just happy and excited that this stupid election is over with!!!
I was for Obama before each party had their candidate. I believe he is a decent man. I thought that some of the change he was talking about could do us some good. Then as I started researching him some more and the more truth I found out about him the more I did not know him and did not trust him enough to be MY representative. I changed my mind on him based on what he stands for and they did not coincide with what I believed in. I'm sorry but the government is not going to make our lives better. We don't need to rely on the government to fill up our gas tanks or make our mortgage payment. That is our responsibility not the governments. WE have to make our lives better. It starts at a family and community level and works its way up. It doesn't come from the government down. And what Obama, and other politicians, is after is for the government to make our lives better, make everyone equal (not talking about race) financially. I'm sorry but why should someone who actually EARNS their own money have to pay for someone who just leeches off society and doesn't do anything? Definition of socialism: "any of the various economic and political theories advocating collective or GOVERNMENTAL ownership and administration of the means of production and DISTRIBUTION of goods". "Take from the rich and give to the poor", or "spread the wealth" IS socialism, and what does he want to do? "Spread the wealth" "take from the rich and give to the poor" I'm not just talking Obama here but about many politicians out there who believe the government can and will solve everything. There are many other reasons why I did not like Obama but that was the main thing that drove me nuts.
Now I didn't like McCain either but I felt he was the lesser of two evils. I did not believe him to be another Bush. I guess you could say that I was more for Palin than McCain because I felt that more of what she was talking about went with what I believed in. (besides McCain blinks too much... lol) And it really is sad that politics has now come down to picking the lesser of the evils to represent us to the world... *sigh*
I really would have prefferred Hilary in office over Obama and McCain, but oh well...
I am glad that we have made a historic step by having an African American president. There was a customer at work yesterday who saw that one of my coworkers had an "I voted" sticker on. He said to her "So you went and voted did ya? Well I hope you didn't vote for that n****r Obama!" (those were his exact words). I'm sorry but you don't talk to or about anyone like that! I don't care if you don't like him or not he still needs to be treated with the same respect you would want to be treated with.
I also just wanted to say that things CAN get worse than what Bush has done. And as we see more and more of our freedoms go flying out the door as the government tries to make our lives better, I don't want to hear any complaining about Obama. After all, America's the ones who voted him in... (that and ACORN... but we'll skip that part...) lol
Again, I am happy that you are all happy and excited about his win! I'm mostly happy that this election is over with!! lol
*Note: all this is MY belief and MY opinion. I'm NOT bashing anyone or their beliefs!
I am consitantly amazed at the level of intolarance and ignorance ? I read the bigotry and hate filling these posts, and it gives me pause, not only on this post but on others here on KSL that I find worrisome.
The American People spoke and resoundingly chose YOUR next president, I didn't vote for Bush in 2004 but none the less he was my president and while it is our right nay our duty to criticize leadership, I find the continuing perpetuation of the untrue and misinformed to be the real reason to fear, We face unprecedented challenges in the times to come and needlessly perpetuating myths and lies to stir needless fear and discontent about a president who has yet to take office or make a single decision! As of yet your fears are unfounded! His inexprience may be his greatest strength or his greatest weakness, We do not know.
Leadership is not born in the senate or in congress. Has I overheard today, we do not need another Clinton, We need a Lincoln, We need someone who can cross the divide of the last 16 years, A President who is capable of uniting this country, the one thing that was apparent, in his speeches to the democratic convention and last night, I saw such a man and i believe he deserves the right to prove that to the American people
Post Jan 20th It will our pleasure to second guess and ridicule every decision that does not meet our fancy, but until that moment I find myself in agreement with Karl Rove! and that my friends leaves a foul taste I assure you.
Hey Nathan @Nathan W. - Have you ever lived in area where you are the minority as a caucasian? I'll bet not, or you wouldn't be so naive. The hatred and bigotry is sooooo directed at the white races in these areas and the jails are filled with blacks who have perpetrated horrendous crimes against whites. A black president is not going to fix that, I promise you.
@Scorpio Two - Yes I have, I lived in Belglade florida,(Closer to 3rd wold country than America) Predominantly Black, We got pulled over every time we drove into certain areas! I saw many good people doing the best they could under very trying conditions! I found most to be friendly and positive even towards myself and ridiculously tall candanian roommate! Your fear is the root of the problem!
Cute, your a stand up guy! @Private O. - Diplomacy at one time in our country history didn't have this taint! Oh it will be nice to have a president able to form complete thoughts and sentences!
Grow up people! It amazes me how many people bring race into the issues of how a person can do a job.
Sure Obama has some liberal views that some may not agree with and McCain probably has more experience with a lot of issues, especially foreign policy and relations.
However, economics is NOT one of the issues McCain has experience in and considering the state of the economy now a lot of people surely voted for Obama based on McCain's admission of not having that experience.
Personally, I don't have a party affiliation and vote for the "lesser of the two evils" based on the issues because both have good points and both have negative points, but when the powers that be insist on narrowing the choices down to just the two major parties and ignoring candidates in the other parties, really what choice do we have as voters?
I say give Obama a chance to do his new job and stop breeding fear out of speculating the unknown. So what if he's not all white, who of us really are "purebred", ESPECIALLY in America? Not one of us is, and having racist attitudes only shows your ignorance and is an embarrassment to the rest of us.
At this point anything is better than Bush, regardless of color, background, experience, or whatever.
If Sean Hannity actually starts wishing liberals well he risks losing his job.(Although I'm sure ksl will always have a position available for him)
What happened last night is the best thing to happen to America. Truth be told, my feeling last night was that whoever ended up on top, our country was the better for it. But because it went to the left, I think we will ALL win in the end.
Look at it this way...what is the ultimate achievement in this countr, or arguably the world? To achieve president of the united states. Obama has done it, and guess what? He did it in spite of all the adversity that comes along with being an underpriveleged person in this country. That's right, he is , by definition underprivileged. To me, that is one hell of an accomplishment. And it proves to all others of the underpriveleged class that they no longer have an excuse to NOT succeed in this country.
All of us rednecks out there that are afraid that "them liberals iz gonna tek owr gunz and set up Abortion clinics in the city parks" need to pull their heads out of their arses. Gimme a break. NO ADMINISTRATION will ever take away our right to bear arms. If they did, then they would find out why we have them in the first place. As for the abortion bit, Obama wants to address the cause..not try to remedy the outcome. By then its too late. Anyone with that mentallity cannot be too bad.
Either way, we ALL win. The past eight years has been absolute torture. Ask yourself...who did you vote for then? Then perhaps you will reconsider your tomorrow.
Heart Broken Obama winning this election only brings me to sadness and loss of patriotism. This wasn't a campaign against race. This was about the presidency. He may be the 1st black president, but i don't care what color he is. I look at the character and political standing of the candidate. Obama wouldn't even pass a federal background check. Know the people have elected him president. I'm heading to the sporting goods store so i can stock up on supply's for when i have to fend for myself against all enemy's forign and DOMESTIC. I pray for my fellow brothers in arms who are sure to face a dramatic cut in funding. I hope that the lives lost do to lack of funding will be counted against Obama at his judgement day. Because he will fail to supply them with such things as armor plating for their vehicles. Missle defense systems for our every day american citizen. I see a dark future under this kind of leadership. Common sense isn't so common. That saying has never been more real then it is today. How else could a man like Obama get elected?
little dramatic @hoot352 - Don't you think you are being a bit dramatic. We don't know what Obama is going to do yet besides what he says he is going to do. And with every single president we have had they say one thing and do another. Obama hasn't even had his chance to be in office.
You're acting like an emotional little school girl @hoot352 - You have really worked yourself up to a frenzied state haven't you? It is kind of embarassing.
I do agree that it is pretty frightening to think that every day American citizens won't be able to own missle defense systems, but I'm sure we will survive. I predict that President Obama will be the best US President in the past half century or more. I might be surprised, but I don't think so.
Maybe you are the one who is lacking common sense?
Republicans have only proved to me that they are ignorant, snobby people that throw the first punch, and always cry forever when they lose. Utah is filled with the above type of people, and I think you all deserve the bad rep you have with the rest of the country. Quit crying and graduate grade school PLEASE!
Puh-LEEEAAASSE To all the people making these comments about being afraid for their future, moving to Canada, Obama not saluting the flag, etc., etc.,etc.
Please just go back to listening to your favorite right wing talk radio show. They will reassure you that president-elect Obama is the great satan and is the reason that your life is not what you think you deserve. Surely your own personal failings must be someone elses fault, right?
Experience?? You voted for Obama because he has what experience in dealing with a economic crisis? McCain has more experience in every aspect of government then Obama. You just made a labor worker a CEO of the biggest company in the world! I'll personally thank all you Obama supporters when we have our next 9/11.
Hooters @hoot352 - I would rather have our new President anyday over some war hero... They hold grudges and as far as i know, EVERY electoral debate he was the one throwing the first punch. I think that if mccain was elected he would start WWIII, then kick the bucket because his health is laughable. Guess what? Then Mrs. Hockey Mom would be president. I bet she couldnt count how many sides Utah has without looking at it first. She only talks about what she knows, and apparently it has nothing to do with how to be a leader. Idiot. Quit being ignorant and do your research.
Some war hero.... @Conor P. - That some war hero spent more time in a vietnam prison camp then you obviously went to college. I can tell that this comes from someone who wouldn't pick up a weapon to defend this country if terrorists were breaking down your front door. Obama being elected could start civil war II. McCain was throwing punches because he is a war hero. He knew what was at stake. He was fighting the enemy! Msrs. Hockey mom has a far more outstanding record then Obama. She's one who actually has brought change and made a difference in the state of Alaska. I've done plenty of research. I'm just not blinded by the corrupt media who try's to brainwash american citizens. Gov. Palin know's more about nationatal defense then Obama. She's in charge of Alaska's missile defense system!
Conor P @hoot352 - How old are you? Your statement seriously lacks maturity. McCain was a POW for 5 years while he was in service to YOUR country, defending your punky, arrogant, undeserving butt. A little gratitude would be appropriate.
9/11 @Lpcity - Pres. Bush is in office and was in office during 9/11. But who's the only pres. to stand up to terrorists and stick to his guns? Pres. Bush. Who wants to cut and run? Obama.....It's afghanistan all over again, this time with Iraq. Pres. Bush took on a handfull of problems from the pres. before. He wasn't any different. 9/11 wasn't the 1st terrorist attack on american soil. Research it and your'll find others. Pres. Bush wasn't in office for those. He's just the only Pres. in office to do something about it. How many terrorist attacks have there been on U.S. Soil since Pres. Bush announced the war on terror??????? 0!
oddly enough.... @hoot352 - Obama isn't in office yet to do anything. And this war on terror is costing trillions of dollars while the real terrorist (Osama Bin Laden)is still living. This war is also is part of our recession. The 9/11 attacks have been planned for sometime no matter who was in office. The only war we should be in is with Osama Bin Laden. Oh, and thank god we don't have terrorist attacks every 4 years!
Our Incoming President... a reason to celebrate! What an exciting time to live to see this event happen. The election is to be celebrated even if you didn't vote for Obama. I am a Native American, a Republican, yet I voted for Obama. Why? Because I see a man that has a lot of offer OUR country with desire to lead ALL Americans to a better life than in recent years. His leadership will make a difference because it is not just Obama but his team of leaders that help direct this great nation. Yes, it may take time, changes don't come immediately, yet with a leader that can make a difference it will happen. I see that in Obama. HOPE for the future, and enduring FAITH that we as a nation can hold true to our Constitution. The vote is final and what an honor it is to live in the United States of American and to be able to vote and have that choice. My prayers are with our new leaders in this great nation that we might unite not just with our hearts but with the unity of a great nation to have the peace for all mankind. It is my prayer, and to be of good cheer... I admit I do pray, that we can become a greater nation that supports the new leaders of tomorrow.
Experience Every capitalist wants to get there as quickly as possible. As a matter of fact I bet many of you hate that you are supposed to have "experience" to get a job you know you can do better than someone with a degree or "experience". So think about that word before you through it around. Some people can gain more experience in 2 years than others over a lifetime. Bill Gates changed the world when he was a young man. Some people can, most people can't. Would you rather get heart surgery by someone young, ambitious, up to date on the most recent technological advances, and very intelligent. Or by a doctor that has "experience" for 30 years, doesn't care that there is a new way to do things, and has nothing to prove.. Sounds like most of my college profs that just couldn't wait to retire and gave me a crappy grade for questioning their intelligence..
Chad @Chad Aalders - His lack of experience wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't ragged on Palin for her lack of experience. It just made him look like a hipocrit. And she wasn't even running for pres.
Agreed @pharmer - Obama didn't get near as much heat as Palin did for lack of experience. She wasn't even running for president. Even if she was, she does have more experience then Obama. She has a track record of taking out the garbage and bringing about a thriving economy. Obama has done what? Voted no a bunch of times??? That's the way to get things done. Vote no all the time.
Experience.. @Chad Aalders - I would much rather see the face of this nation being a man who knows how to turn a computer on than the old fuddy duddy who is a self proclaimed "don't know how to check my e-mail" man.
Doesn't that seem odd to you? Doesn't that sound a little archaic? It is, and so is he. He lives in his little nut shell where he doesn't have to change a thing... he only has to look like he is making progress from day to day. He is happy with all the old farts in the senate. He is scared of change and evolving to be the better America that we are all capable of being. We need a man who isn't afraid to learn something new... someone who can lead us in these progressive times.
My Advice My advice to all of you is to change all your 401 K plans to the least risky categories for investment(No stocks national or foreign). By this time next year the dollar might be worth ten cents if we are lucky.
Have enough money hidden away (not in a bank) that you could use to go to Australia or another country where they don't tax you to death and there is no fear of a terrorist attack.
Pray to God that he won't let the country go so socialist that the next Republican President can't fix the mess that's been made by the democratic President, Congress, and the liberal supreme court!
Good luck!
Run or hills everybody!!! @Anderson S. - Really, you have such a low opinion of our country, that you believe we elected such a man, Even before he set foot in the white house! But then again you have been trained well over the past 8 years to fear those unlike you, to hate those who believe differently, to ignore the very diversity which is the strongest foundation of our democracy!
Ashamed.... I am ashamed of everyone who is "scared". What is there to be afraid of? I mean really? Mcaine lost, oh well it isn't the end of the world. We are in a recession and things are going to get worst no matter who the president is. I feel bad for him because of everything he is going to have to tackle.
I don't agree with either canidate but all I know is that the last 8 years have sucked. Mcaine voted along president Bush for 90% of the time. I am sorry but I really don't want another Bush in office. I also feel it would be a mistake to have Palin in office as well. She is inexperienced. She might have done great things for Alaska but she also has done things that isn't ethical in my book either.
Obama is president so lets just make the best out of the situation, bad or good.
A trained monkey could have had 80% approval rating @Whitney D. - If you was handing you a check for several Thousand dollars every year. Soicalism is baaaaad!
Make the best of it @Whitney D. - yes i think i will make the best of the situation at hand. But that still dosen't make a wrong a right. If the last 8 yrs. were so bad. then why was Pres. Bush re-elected for a second term? The downfall in the economy isn't Bush's fault. We can thank the wallstreet, people not being able to make payments on loans, those filing bankruptcy's, welfare lifers, etc. etc. Read above about palin being inexperienced. Inexperience she is not. Not when compared to a man like Obama. Needs more time to come full circle....sure i'll go with that. But she could be a very promising leader.
@hoot352 - Bush was reelected for the very reason McCain wasn't, Democrats did not front a strong candidate. Bush didn't win reelection by a large margin and the campaigns did nothing to heal the divisions ripped open during their runs. One only has to listen to Obama's speech last night to tell he is not a typical politician and May or May not be what we hoped for. But the hope is there and we all owe him a shot to prove himself.
Researched @hoot352 - So I did some research and it still didn't change my mind about Palin. 2 years as a governor and then was Mayor. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/sarah_palins_experience_checkm.html
Obama has 2 years in US Senate and 7 years in Illnois Senate. To me that is more experience.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-16-obama-experience-cover_x.htm
Is there something I don't know?
I unserstand we can't blame president Bush for everything but I just disagree with alot of what he decided to do with our country. I wasn't old enough to vote against Bush in 2004. But then again I wouldn't have voted for John Kerry either, that would have been a bad idea. I wouldn't have voted for either one.
With your level of expectation no one would win your approval! @Zwise Cracker - But your right, having a president who never waivers untill faced with insurmountable failure, Yea that worked out well! Lets have more of that....
Why all the negativity? Someone could have a great day and all they have to do is read 3 minutes of the commentary and you get sick from all the chaos and repeated animosity. You can't change whats happened. Why waste the time and energy into complaining over the past. Look to the future- hold onto anything positive in your life. You are what you think. Henry David Thoreau wrote: "What a fine and measureless joy god grant us thus, letting us know nothing about the day that is to dawn!"
change I see this as all bad, we can see from the stock market going down. I have a really good friend in CA who owns a company that employs 35 workers, he told me today that on Friday that he is going to lay them all off and move his company to Mexico. He is doing this so that he does not have to pa the high taxes, health care, or anything such as that. He is moving his entire family as well. He only stayed in America to help the people that have been working for him. He has had many offers to move to Mexico and have a greater profit, yet he stayed here to help his workers. He told me today that he is done with this country and he cannot wait to move. He is going to keep his house, just to visit. I think that it is sad that 35 people will lose their jobs, oh well you get what you pay for - change. The worst part pink slips right before the christmas season from the guy who hands out a 2,500 bonus to every employee that has worked at the business over 12 months. These people have no clue a pink slip will be their bonus. SAD!
Change @storms - Pretty SMART Guy you have.....I have my company own down there...too, pretty soon we will see white guys running across the borders......please HELP
The worst part... @storms - He was born in Mexico, became a US citizen 8 years ago and built his company up from the bottom by working 18 hour days. I used to work for him, he would tell me the best thing to get is an education so you can make more money and do greater things. Now he is leaving America because he is seeing it going downhill. I remember the first day he had to pay health care for his workers, he was proud and I was there when he said he was gonna do it. Now all of the current workers will not have health care in a few months. Where are these people gonna go to find help now, Pres. Elect Obama?
Not the only place with lay offs @storms - Right now the only place to be working with guarantee pay(almost guaranteed) is the military. We have billions of dollars going to the war in Iraq. We have high taxes because America chose to go to war. With war comes a price, they aren't free.
We need to keep funding the war and pay for other stuff but we can't do it on the budget we are on. SO they have to raise taxes. That is how you get things paid for in this country. If you don't want higher taxes then our president should have not started the war.
I don't think this is a result of Obama because this is all happening before his term (it hasn't even started yet).
Google, Krogers, Ebay and I could go on, are all big companies that are laying off. It isn't just 35 people it is thousands of people.
It is sad but we have to pay somehow unfortunatrly.
storms @storms - Good heavens storms. Obama will not be President until January and you are already blaming him for the situation we are in now. Give me a break!
Obama Presidency How damage can Obama do in two years? That's how long he has to screw up. If he is too radical, we vote the Republicans back in to the majority in the Senate and House. It happened to Clinton and Bush.
Checks and balances! What a concept. We are a center right nation and Obama will hopefully remember this. If he goes too far to the left he will fail.
Why would the successful person stay? I understand what you are saying "change." With America already having almost the highest income taxes in the world, why would anyone who is succussful run the risk and stay?
My only sibbling who lives in Hong Kong and pays taxes in the US is seriously considering moving his citizenship elsewhere. So sad....that it has all come to this...
Mo Mo ville or should I say racist ville Hello Mo Mo bigots and HAHA we now have a real president. Im so proud of this racist state I live in NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are scared because you are ignorant! Americas voice was heard and now you 5% peices of trash are on your way out. It's a new and refreshing day. God Bless Obama! Hopefully you racists die and then see that God doesnt want your kind and then you are forced to beg for mercy.
Racist? @Mike L. - When you point a finger at someone else you have four pointing back at yourself. You sound more racist than anyone else on this forum. Shame on you.
Sack up @Mike L. - So are you God or something? I dont know what has happened to you to make you so bitter but I do pity you for it. My suggestion is to LET GO OF IT. you will feel better. What is the point of your comment anyway? I'm sure all the bigots feel really bad now.
Utah re-elected Buttars!!! @Mike L. - That tells me how racist this state is, they re-elected him because they all feel the same way he does. This state is full of red necked racists, bigots. Take a look in the mirror eyeryone!! YOUR NECKS ARE RED!
I can't believe I can't believe that people are complaining about Obama when we voted in Bush for a second time. Obama is the one who got us here in the first place. I think that we should deal with the hand that we're given and make the best of it. If, at the end of next year, things aren't improving, then we can blame. If we don't see the good in things, then we never will.
that people would flee to America and not have brain cells? @lemon - We voted Bush which means at least 1/2 of us are stupid enough to let anything happen. You're all sheep ... sigh.
Sheep...? @Obama - Utahns can be proud of their voting independence. Utah is tied with Montana for having the highest percentage of Third Party voters. And when Perot ran we really rocked!
Be proud of having so many people who can think outside the box in this state!
Raceist? All this talk about raceism when talking about our newly elected President is exactly the reason I did not want Obama for president. In these times here in America it's the time for strong leadership and not a president with something to prove or any agendas other then our country, I'm really glad that our country has come so far, but now is not the time to prove that point.
Even Utah is gradually becoming more and more Democratic. Within 10 years I believe Utah will be in the blue colume with most of the rest of the nation.
Well Mr. Wright, I didn't hear anything spew from your lips when President Buch was elected in 2004 and many many people said they no longer believed they had a president any longer. Fair is Fair...
Utah should be embarassed Some of these comments on these boards are illegal and should be deleted. How dare you people threaten the life of the newly elected president! Do you understand there are laws against this?
It's easy for anyone with a brain to understand that Utah is the MOST racist state in the union. After all the LDS Church didn't even allow blacks into their church until only 20 years ago. So it's understandable you LDS are racist. But can't you use common sense? Ask yourself one question. Are you actually happy with the econonmy the way it is today? If you answered yes, you obviously live under a rock. Mickey Mouse could have slaughtered a republican candidate. Barack Obama wasn't needed to slaughter the republicans, George Bush handled that for you all. This thread and new story are sickening. It's just unreal how dumb some of you really are. Now go back to being good little Polygamist like your founding fathers were. Perhaps toss some more of your tything into some gay propaganda.
Correction @Knight-Hawk - There has never been a time when blacks could not be members of the LDS Church. Perhaps you are referring to holding the priesthood.
Now then, there definitely were churches in other parts of the country where blacks were not permitted.
The deplorable state of the economy is the product of Democrats and Republicans alike. I'm not sure how you voters found it in themselves to condemn one side and absolve the other. Amazing! I'm especially amazed that Barney Frank was re-elected -- the guy who denied Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had a problem....
Correction again @carolm62 - Check your church history...you'll have to dig deep because it's not something the church is proud of but it's there. Just like the fact that the church is founded on the beliefs of the Free Masons (J.S. was a Free Mason) but members deny that as well because of the association with worshipping symbols and such.
Holding the priesthood was a privelege given only a few years after general membership priveleges were given.
Agreed! @Knight-Hawk - The whole race issue was the VERY reason I had my name removed from the membership records of the church! It actually was mid-1970's when "non-white" members were allowed in the church and in response to threats of legal action, just like many other issues that have plagued the church and forced a "new revelation" to come forth (thus change of doctrine).
I remember as a kid growing up in the church in the late 60's, early 70's and never seeing a non-white member but always being told they weren't worthy of membership because of the color of their skin (the curse of Cain we were told). We never even associated with non-white people, but let me tell you I'd much rather surround myself with people from different ethnic groups any day than a bunch of ignorant "sheep" who don't question the authority of their leaders.
That is Ridiculous @MamabirdS - Perhaps you lived in a place where there were no black members, but I grew up in a place where there were. Black members waited patiently for the time when they could hold the priesthood. I don't know how they managed it quite frankly, because I would probably have had too bad an attitude if I were a black man and couldn't hold the priesthood -- but many blacks were baptized members nevertheless -- but without the priesthood.
Let me remind you what the revelation pertaining to blacks was. The revelation was that all worthy males could now hold the priesthood -- not that all races could now be baptized.
I can not believe the posts I am reading Actually I am shocked. There is so much hatred and fear of things that are unknown. It took this country a very long time to get into the condition it is in. Companies have been moving their business' to Mexico and other country's for a very long time. They are not loyal to the American worker anymore, they are loyal to their profit. They go to where they make the most profit. Please don't fool yourselves into thinking that this is a new concept. We have been taxed forever and have been paying for government programs forever. Our government spends more than it earns and has been doing this for over a hundred years. This is not new. It didn't just happen yesterday. Everything is just catching up. It is not one persons fault or vision, it is not one parties fault or vision, it is all of our faults. We have put the mighty dollar before God and expect to have perfect outcomes. We call God's children so many different names, just read all the posts on here to see what I mean.
Whoever won the presidency will have one of the biggest battles this country has seen since the great depression. I would be ok with either candidate and I sure would not hide under my computer desk whining about how it should have been someone else.
No one is going to come and take your guns away. Really. Just think about that. How on earth could they really do that and who are they? Take a deep breath and breathe again.
No one is going to force you to have an abortion in your 8th month. Come on. Take another deep breath. Start praying your fears away and step back a little bit from the emotional drama.
What shocks me the most is how on earth are we to heal this country's wounds and become united again when a lot of you are so bitter and are absolutely not going to support the President of the United States of America or at least give him a chance? We are the greatest country on earth but we have some temporary problems that we are facing right now. I am proud to be an American and am proud to be a part of the United States of America. I will support whoever is president and pray for their safety.
I will also pray that those of you that are so afraid, that God will calm your fears and bring you peace.
Statistics @greeklikeme - You might want to check the statistics on the percentage of black babies and children being adopted out by LDS parents. How many have you adopted???
Doug Wright's comment is flawed. If I were in an airplane and found my pilot was somehow invalid or dangerous, I would not consider him my pilot. I think that is what Christy C. was trying to communicate. And usually in a commercial jet and in government, if one man fails, there is a backup. I'm not saying anything about Barak. I just have a bad habit of critiquing peoples' logic.
!!Obama - Mabus How could we possibly know what Obama's real feelings about the United States? Well, actions speak louder than words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
By the way, he's NOT the FIRST Black President. He's the first half-black and half-white President. Calling him Black is only 50% true. NO 100% Black President has ever become President.
Remember this every time the media starts calling him the first black president. In fact he is called a "moreno" or "mulato" the true definition of his ethnic composition.
Cluelessnes was never happiness. Nothing like millions of people get royally duped. The best is probably yet to come.
"Change!"
Yeah. Change.
- "I'm Albert Einstein and I approve this message"
Americans Ok, so Obama proved his point. Now can we stop being, African American, Asian American, Mexican American, etc. My ancestors are from France, I'm not French American or anything else, I'm AMERICAN period and so should any other person who is a citizen of this country. This is the United State of America, not the United States of African America or Asia America or Mexico America. We need to be Americans and stop hindering our success as a nation because of our poor pitty me I'm a minority. We're all Americans there should be no minority crap.
I think Mr. Obama has as much Eurapean blood in him as he has African blood, he's as much "Euro American" as he is anything and that goes for the "MAJORITY" of so called "AFRICAN Americans".
Mr. Obama Lead this country of Americans and knock of the racism act and be a President for all Americans.
How easy we forget Those that complaining because there team didn't win semm to have forgotten why they can voice their oppinion.
I am not one to bad mouth any political affiliation, but folks we as Americans have the rights we do because of certain Americans who have fought for that right.
It is time as Americans that we unite and work for a better America no matter the Commander in Chief.
You and I are what makes this country great, not one person..
Majority Rules Isn't that what you have been spouting to us for the last eight years? It is high time ya'all got over yourselves and realized that there is a new majority. There is also a new minority - and it is you.
The next four years Obama has is NOT enough time to fix what has happened the last eight years. However, what he does have time for is to impliment plans and actions so that when the times comes (2012 or later presidency) we as Americans and our gov't can get back on track.
And just a comment on the posts' that mention that federal spending will spin out of control. What do YOU really think has just happened the past eight years and just this past two months? Is that not considered "out of control" federal spending?
Clueless Why????? Yes I am clueless as to why I read these posts. The ignorance and plain stupidity of some people is enough to drive a sane person to drink!!!
Lets address the reason for these posts in the first place. People are scared of Pres Elect Obama and what he plans on doing to this country. This is plain right stupid!!!! Lets get one thing straight here your "scared" is not what will happen to this country it is because a BLACK man was elected president. Be honest!!! If you truly listened to anything Barrack said you would be filled with the sense of pride and excitement I have for the direction this country will be making. Not only is he a terrific orator, but he truely has new ideas of how to make this country a better place. None of the same old thing different old guy in the oval office way of thinking. In Obama we are getting someone who truly cares about this country! Yes it does sound like that I think Barrack cannot do any wrong, this is as far from the truth as it can be. In fact it took me along time to come to the realization that Obama was the candidate we needed to elect. Just one thought nobody is absolutely perfect so of course mistakes will be made, reserve your negativity till he has been in office long enough to see what will happen.
1 more thing if you construct your opinions on and around the things that Sean Hannity, Russ Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily and others say I pity you!!!!!! Do yourself a favor and do your own research and study of the topics effecting us instead of listening to the rants of ignorant and hypocritical human beings!
That said GO JAZZ!!!! 4-0 BABY!!!!!!!!!!
Obama I feel like a celebrity has been elected simply because of his name. Just look at the mass of crowds Obama attracts.
About some of the comments about racist Mormons. I am sure that there are some racist Mormons out there, as I am sure there are racist Catholics, Methodists, etc, etc. There are racists in every religion. It seems that Mormons receive a lot of negative comments. I don't think every person who voted for McCain in Utah was a Mormon, and I know that a lot of Mormons supported Obama. I don't think that the LDS religion deserves such comments, and I wonder what fuels these comments.
I am saying this because I live with someone who makes such comments. This person bases a lot of their opinions about the whole religion on select individuals. There are bad people in every religion.
So don't judge the religion. And the polygamist comments, Please! Maybe everyone who makes these comments should research about it a little better, and know that MORMONS are NOT polygamists anymore, AND HAVE not been for a long time, SO WHY THE COMMENTS?
America Our country comes first, ladies and gentlemen. I did not vote for Obama, and frankly his tendencies toward socialism scare me. It scares me even more that he has a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House to help him pass his liberal policies.
However, as it has been for the last 232 years, in America it is still UNITED WE STAND. We don't have to agree with this person, but we need to unite. There are enemies both outside and within this country who rejoice when we fight among ourselves. (Remember Osama bin Laden? They still haven't caught him.)
America is the original land of the free, home of the brave...and a land of tolerance and acceptance of our fellow man. "e pluribus unum"..."out of many, one."
This is the best post @Lurkinlizard - I have read in the days since the election. This brings hope that we can come together to fix the problems that all Americans face. Heres to you Lurkinlizard, I am proud to be an American!
The truth be I voted for Obama for one reason. To put it to all of the racist people that came out of the wood work around me in the past weeks. I am very ashamed of the whole lot of you. What is this? 1845 0r 2008? Well I can say that with my vote I helped make all of you're racist words and fears come true. We the people have a new person in D.C. and all of you old school thinking KKK type have a black prez! Now live with it. I was going to write in Larry Flynt but thanks for stopping me from that vote.
If this election was about race for you (slomoriot) @slomoriot - then fine. Everyone gets a vote and all votes are counted equally. But don't accuse me of being racist because I voted for McCain/Palin. At first I was for Obama. I was excited about a black pres., then I did a little research and found that he was way too liberal for my taste. I voted based on experience, values, and previous record.
I seriously doubt that the majority of the people who voted for Obama did the same. THEY voted on race.
I saw 2 men on tv interviewing black people in the South. The 2 men interviewing said they were for Obama and Palin. They asked the black people if they liked Palin, Obama's running mate. They said they loved HIM!
So don't tell me they knew about 1 single political issue in this election. The issue for them was race and race alone. So who are the racist ones?
Crash and Burn We seem to be headed for a crash and burn, Inflation is horrendous in this country if it isn't detoured everyone will be poor before it is ovwerwith. Let's hope we have a strong enough person in to try some new methods and stave the fall off for as long as possible or maybe even for good.
History in the....... making. Obama has a big mess that the bush administration has produced. Now starts a new chapter in American History. The people of the popular vote have spoken.. now it is up to Obama to right what was wronged. HOPE is now at the forefront in the minds of the American People. Obama now has to turn intellectual propaganda into prgressive action that will take America out of its economic mess, INS troubles, war mongering and strengthen our relations with our allies. Can Obama do this?...time will tell...my guess is No...why... because is too liberal...I HOPE that I am Wrong. Congratualtions God speed to Obama and his administration!
Where have the democrats been @Tom C. - Amazing how you dems have had the majority in Congress for the past two years and still haven't been able to get anything done.
it is called @Anderson S. - checks and balances! Even if the Dems have congress.... guess what? The Senate and the White House still have to okay it. Amazing how things work....
America as we knew it..... I understand how someone might feel they no longer have a president. I feel this way too.....In January when Obama takes office I will no longer have a president because I will no longer belong in a country to be proud of....America will change as the Democrats want it to0....only the change will be the removal of the things that instill pride in our country. Our President burns flags, openly admits this and he will not place his hand over his heart while our national anthem plays. Where is his Pride? I don't wish to see him fail, I hope he proves me wrong...however this change is coming and I no longer am an american at heart, nor would I be willing to serve my country for Obama as I did for Clinton and Bush. I'm republican and I can support a democrat but I can't support a President who hates the country he lives in. Obama for Change....I hope your ready for it....
How wrong can you be? @tifbmelt - Why would you no longer have a President? Are you giving up your citizenship?
Living in a country where we have the freedom to vote and choose our leaders is a blessing. But it doesn't mean we only play when we get our way!
The majority of Americans have decided that Obama is the best person to lead our country at this point in time. In four years, we'll have the opportunity to do so again, if we choose to, based on his performance in office and the state of the union at that time.
This forum seems to be full of kindergarten-minded people who only want to complain about not getting their way, instead of putting differences aside and moving forward to support solving problems.
President-elect Obama isn't a flag-burning, disrespectful Communist who hates our country.
If you're not an American at heart, immigrate somewhere else - otherwise, support your country and your President, and stop whining.
please read this and TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!!! Ok. i have been looking at the exit polls of this election and have come to the conclusion that if Obama was white, then McCain would have won. I have done the numbers and they say.
With 97% Reporting
Obama had 63,679,596 Votes
McCain had 56,278,372 Votes
for a total of 119,957,968 Votes
The Black people = 13% or 15,594,536 Votes
Now Obama received 95% of the Black Votes
So if 50% of the Black vote went to McCain then 7,797,268 Votes will come from Obama and go to McCain
and that would make the outcome of
Obama 55,882,328 Votes
McCain 64,075,640 Votes
And McCain Wins.
These numbers would have changed many of the states, and McCain would have easily won Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Probably More.
If the Black Communities were not so determined to have a black president then we would have McCain as the President-elect right now.
Please tell me if i am delusional or if i'm on to something.
Assumptions @Chunkylover 239 - You're making the assumption that 95% of blacks voted for Obama because he was black. Did it occur to you that they may have voted for Obama because they feel the Republicans have not served them well for the last 8 years? As much as I like McCain himself, he surrounded himself with lunatic-conservative Republicans... I don't blame folks for running scared. It wasn't just the blacks that voted for Obama... it was a large number of whites and a large number of Latinos. It was about 50% of the young voters, it was a large number of first time voters, and it was older folks who have seen Bush run up insane deficits while their retirement funds have evaporated.
If all these blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black you might have a valid point, but frankly I think that's an insult to the black community. How about Colin Powell... one of the most successful and thoughtful black men in America? He made a point that he was endorsing Obama not because of race, but because McCain has shown serious lapses in judgment about the economy, in his choice of Palin for VP, and a lack of integrity in how he ran his campaign. I think you'll find that a large number of black people voted for similar reasons.
Another point... @pd - By your reasoning McCain should have won because all of us whities would have voted for the white guy. Sorry dude, even though my vote doesn't count with this ridiculous electorial college system, I voted for Obama. No, I'm not a Democrat... I didn't vote for Kerry last go around... I'm just think Obama is more likely to turn this country around than McCain could have with the folks he would have had to bring on board. I'll say again, though, that's not because I haven't historically liked McCain... it's because he surrounded himself with people like Palin, Rove, and Gramm to get the backing of the Republican party.
white vs. black @pd - Let's be honest. The majority of black voters voted for Obama because he is black, just like the majority of Catholic voters voted for Kennedy because he was a Catholic.
Your reasoning is flawed!
What's your point? @Chunkylover 239 - Do you really want to go back to the days of segregationist thinking?
If African Americans support Obama, so what? Have you considered that it could be that they feel that the "White Communities" are still trying to minimalize them?
You can "what-if" all you want to, but there's no point. The election is complete, the winner is declared, Obama is our next president, and we need to work together as THE Community to make our country a better place.
All i am saying is.. @Robert O. - If Blacks were not so hell bent on getting a black man in the white house and really looked the issues then mccain would have one. Just like every other elections, where the whites are with mixed feelings and made it a close race, but the blacks threw it over the edge.
Have you considered... @Chunkylover 239 - ... that if so many Whites (like you , perhaps) weren't so color-focused they would be able to evaluate the candidates on their own merits and not worry about the color/race of the candidates?
As soon as we start a Black/White conversation, we're headed into racist territory, and I for one am tired of that same old story.
I don't believe Obama was elected because of his racial background. I believe he was elected because voters hope that he has a vision and a plan to lead the country better than McCain.
The sooner we stop the race comparisons and analysis, the sooner we can work together as Americans to solve the problems we face.
@Robert O. - I am not color focused, i like the rest of the nation looked at the candidates and i looked at there views and i feel that Obama is not qualified to do this job, so i voted for mccain. i don't care that he is black, i am simply putting 2 and 2 together and want to know if race was a factor.
Of course... @Chunkylover 239 - ... race is a factor. Just look at this thread as an example - the number of race-related comments isn't restricted to Utah, and as a nation we still haven't resolved our racial issues and prejudices, but we've made progress.
Who would have thought that we'd have a mixed-race president in the White House? I honestly didn't think this would happen in my lifetime (and I'm 52), so we're slowly moving forward, perhaps closer to a nation that can get past its issues with race and the related biases.
I think a lot of people DO care that he is mixed-race, hence the number of conversations (good and bad) around his race.
I voted for Obama because he presented a vision for change, while McCain didn't present a positive vision of anything, including his choice of a VP running mate. I believe Obama has a better chance of bringing the country together, promoting an optimistic and hopeful future and for getting us away from the war-promotional policies of the current administration. Not because he's "black", not because he's a Democrat, but because he's an energetic, intelligent, articulate and focused person who presents a stronger leadership image to me.
Again, we need to move past the election (it's over) and do what we can to make ourselves, our families, our communities and our nation better - together.
Unlike all the negative republicans. I will support Obama just like I will support any other president that was and will be elected in office. Obama like Bush needs to be given a chance. People are judging from what they do not know about a person and what they can do for this country. Republicans are bitter and in my opinion have so much hate. Utah republicans surprise me more than those down south. You all need a reality check and get with the program.
I am excited to for Obama to be my new president. All those who will not and cannot support or see him as president of the USA can move to Canada.
Obama is OK....BUT.... People actually 'BELIEVE' what comes out of his mouth. That's what kills me. There's so much more to this guy than he's letting on. Can't anyone see beyond what he says??? Scarry.
I agree Jill Y. @Jill Y. - I'm usually a pretty good judge of character, and I don't like what I see when I look at Obama. But I am not bitter, and I will support him and our country!
Really???? I completely agree with knight hawk if the secret service saw some of these comments you would be biting your tongues...The only reason you are scared is because he happens to be half black...My children have been coming home from school almost in tears from what parents are saying to their children and then in turn their children relaying their messages of hate to mine...shame on all of you. The reason that America is the greatest country on this earth is because of our ideals, our love for our country, our hope that we can make a difference, and that we believe that we are one nation under GOD. It's we the people not we the white people.
I PLEDGE MY FULL SUPPORT TO MY PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA AND I AM HONORED TO HAVE HIM AS MY PRESIDENT...
can we make a difference YES WE CAN!!!
GO OBAMA @Daniellemrm1978 - I completely agree with everything you said. What is sad though is people do not honor our country as one all that I see happening is so many people dividing themselves amongst others so that they can hate on Obama, I am so sick of all the racist text messages about or directed to Obama, people it was a white man that we have had for the past 8 years and even though he has done some good look where we are at! Obama is my president and no one can change that I will support him 1. because I want to 2. Because he is our elected President which means he is the one at the head of our country so what good will going against him do?
Infallibility Stemming from the assertion that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only ‘true’ church, Mormons believe they are infallible. Especially in Utah, this sense of infallibility is compounded by group think. They associate largely only with those that see the world the same as they do and they share eerily similar political positions. Their sense of rightness is validated by constituents in their homogeneous throng.
Is there precedent for this phenomenon? Yes. The Jews held a similar view of their chosen status and special lineage. They viewed themselves as infallible, despised those that did not share either their religion or heritage. And in the end, they were profoundly, tragically and everlastingly wrong. They crucified their, and our, Savior.
Notes:
1. Homogeneous is not to be confused with homosexual.
2. Throng is not to be confused with thong.
3. Jesus Christ is not to be confused with Barak Obama.
So we're on this plane together But 52% of the people that chose the pilot did so based on the fact that he gives good speeches and has promised to fill people's gas tanks and pay their mortgages, and is the media darling of the decade...but all I had to do was look at his record to know what he will really do. Everyone complains about George Bush and things are so bad after 8 years with him as a President. Guess what...while you were going along in your peaceful existance, he kept terrorists at bay and the percentage of people earning less grew less and the percentage of people earning more grew more. You didn't hear that in the media, did you? But the facts are there, you just have to dig deep to find them on your own, because the media certainly wasn't about to tell us. Obama voters just decided they wanted 4 more years of Jimmy Carter without even studying what that 4 years did to our economy. Talk about failed policies.
Where have you been?? Now you are scared? the last eight years have been a disaster. what could possibly be worse. Here is a scary thought, if George Bush could have and did run again, you complainers would still vote for him. There is no question that there will be uncertainty. it is a long uphill battle, it would have been for McCain as well. The rich have been using our money for a long time. This is our country, let's hop on be supportive, if it doesn't work, than be scared, but at least try and have a solution.
... @g64r - What could be worse? One word..... Socialism.
What do you mean your money? The rich pay nearly all the taxes in this country The lower and middle class get back more than they pay in taxes. The rich are the ones who should be complaining about you taking their money!
Wake up and get a clue! Stop listening to the Lies you have been told.
Utahns are not so good at math this probably stems from large families and a sibling being assigned to devle out the treats, it goes like this, one for you, one for you, one for you, 10 for me, one for you, one for you, one for you, ten for me..... and it's problably why they are so jealous as well.
I AM ASHAMED To even call myself LDS..I am not a Utah mormon I did not grow up here...thank GOD.... I see nothing but a bunch of racist hippocrites....
Daniellemrm1978 @Daniellemrm1978 - Amen! Try living here and being some one who thinks out side the masses. Now with this election I am seeing people all around me telling off color jokes, using the "N" word more than ever. Sad very sad. I am ashamed of a lot of people how's true colors are comming out.
@Daniellemrm1978 - Why is it considered racist to believe that Obama will not be a good president. His color/origin have nothing to do with the majority of opinions on here. There are plenty of other reasons to be worried about the next four years of an Obama administration to worry about that.
Welcome to my world.... A quote from the article: "I became more and more depressed. It makes me worry for my children and their future."
Guess what, dude, that's exactly how I've felt since 2003 when Bush strong-armed us into a war simply to carry out his own ambitions. How come they didn't do a similar poll when Bush was re-elected? I think you would have found similar numbers of folks who were "scared" or "concerned." Kudos to Doug Wright for having the courage to state that he didn't vote for Obama, but he's our next president and we need to align ourselves behind him... at least give him a chance. We gave Bush a chance and it turned out VERY BADLY, but Obama deserves the same chance to prove himself.
How many of you who are bashing Obama listened to McCain's concession speach? If you believed in the guy at all, you should listen to his concession speech again. It was very well thought out, rational, and I believe it was from the heart. Rather than fear mongering, let's make a serious effort to end the bipartisan nature of our government and work to pull ourselves out of our current mess.
There has been too much divisiveness in Washington for the last 8 years and you know the old saying... divided we fall.
I am nervous I am one of those people who got depressed Tuesday night when I saw the numbers coming in. Six months ago, I didn't know which one of the candidates I was going to vote for, in fact, I thought I would write in a name, or just skip the presidential part all together. There just was not a decent person to vote for. Tuesday morning, there still wasn't somebody that I wanted to vote for, but let me tell you, after the past 2 months, I realized that I sure didn't want Mr Obama to be my President, so I felt it was my civic duty to vote against him. It made me literally want to vomit to think of him as my President. I love my country and to think that someone who doesn't love my flag and my National Anthem, as much as I do. Someone who has never tasted political defeat to know how to handle it in the "real world" leading the strongest country in the world, scared me. In his autobiographical movie done on MSNBC, he has only lost one race he's ever ran, and he didn't handle that well--more like a child who had a toy taken from him. They pin him as a child raised by his single mother, blah ,blah, blah. She remarried, he travelled the world, and then to stabilize him, he moved to the States to get his education and live with his Grandparents, who raised him. He has always had a father figure in his life. He is not someone to pity, and by the way, he is only HALF black---if anyone cares, he is HALF white too. But nobody cares about that. He's just ALL scary for this country. When we are tired of looking at his pretty media face, what are we going to think in 2 years when its too late....
Try to look at the bright side....... I know it's hard. I'm as concerned as can be over the socialist wave that the Obama/Biden Whitehouse is going to bring this country. But really, let's pick ourselves up by our bootstraps and try to think about the good that can come of Obama winning. Remember Jimmy Carter? We managed to survive him for 4 years while he had a Democrat controlled congress and they ran about running the country into a hole.......... and we got the bright shining star of Ronald Reagan! I'm hoping and praying that we're going to find another diamond in the rough in 2012! Meanwhile, hang on tight, because it's going to be a nasty ride.
Reagan?? @Laura E. - Bring back ReaganOmics in 2012? He was a half decent actor and great at non partisanship, nothing else. Will the right wingers allow an Obama administration to be non partisan? reading the blogs here I doubt it. Just think it could be worse, 8 year of the W. have proven that!
Partisan Ignorance !! @Laura E. - It amazes me, no scares me, no makes me sad how so many Republicans in this state think that only the Republicans can do things right and only the Democrats can do things wrong. Please fight off the Sunday brain washing you are all receiving !
I'm independent, voted for on both party sides as I thought best. McCain I was there for ya 'till ya picked Tina Fey ;-)> That sealed it for Obama
We Need to Come Together While Obama may not be the choice of many to be President... He is now going to be President. We need to come together as Americans. Our support and positive attitude will only help him and congress in the years to come. Everyone needs to get involved, even in the littlest way and do thier part to move forward to a brighter future for us all. Negative attitudes only set us back and attract negative outcomes. Being positive and excited about the future needs to be the first step. Take that step! God Bless America and God Bless our new leaders.
Yikes... @Nancy A. - Nancy, the people in this state are so heavenly bound they are no earthly good at all.
This is the ONLY place that sees someone with brown eyes and brown hair and asked "WHAT" you are. The are not interested in "WHO" you are. It's really quite sad.
But, in the last conference they were told to be gracious and kind to those that were of different faith...this board, and the one on Prop 8, shows how much they listen to their leader, and how much they have not learned.
"Great Spirits Have Always
Encountered Violent Opposition
From Mediocre Minds." (albert)
agree with Rem @Rem - ????? First African Americn ????? Rem is right looking up his name Wiki shows an early picture of Obama and his mother, whom is clearly white. ????????
GET OUT OF THE BOX I'm scared of the people who are negative to this situation. Take a minute and remember the faces of the people not only in this country but around the world.
If you couldn't see and feel the HAPPINESS, HOPE, and JOY in everyone's eyes then I'm more scared about people like you who can't let go of their hate and prejudices against everyone who doesn't believe in 'exactly' what you believe in, because THAT is what is destroying this world NOT color of someones skin. Shame on you!
I did not vote for Obama because I do not agree with his theory of spreading the wealth or increasing government. I do not see why it should even be considered to give more tax cuts/credits to those who already pay no income tax. It creates another layer of welfare. And adding more government and spending to our already bloated government and debt makes no sense.
That said, now the decision has been made it is time to work together. I sure hope he turns out to be all he has been built up to be otherwise it could be one of the most disappointing presidencies in history. Hopefully Obama and both sides of the isle of Congress can figure a way to work together and actually get some of the People's business done.
But know this I am not particularly happy with the outcome of this election...on more than one level...but I am, first of all an American.
I know this country is a great country. It wasn't founded by politicians in the sense we understand now. It was founded by strong men and women who believed in liberty, who believed in equality and in the opportunities that freedom offered.
Lady Liberty still stands as a beacon in New York harbor and even in these frightening times there can be hope. Alone, there isn't much we can do to change the world, but, though alone we have areas in which we can promote change. CHANGE in the lives we lead, our attitudes, our values. We have to understand what is important to us on more than a material level. If the things we hold as most important are internal, they can't be taken away, to lose them you have to GIVE THEM AWAY.
We MUST decide what our freedoms, our families, our purpose, our values are REALLY worth to us because we might have to fight to preserve them. Not today and perhaps not a year from today but at some time probably not of our choosing. What will you do? Will you be willing and ready to defend what you enjoy here or will you roll over and let the powers that be take it all away from you? The best time to make decisions is before you HAVE to make them.
I love this United States. As imperfect as things are here, this is the best place to live. As terrible a place as some seem to believe it is, thousands come here every year, legally or illegally. There must be something that we offer here that isn't offered in other parts of the world.
I am saddened that there is such a lack of cohesiveness in this nation. I am saddened that there are so many who feel they are discriminated against. Some of that is in their own thinking, some of it is in the thinking of others. BUT, as to the laws of this nation...there is no discrimination. That should be enough. It isn't the laws that need to change..the Constitution says it all..it is YOU who needs to change your thinking.
For those who feel the Obama will wipe away all the bad, smooth every bump and change the attitudes of the hate mongers and bigots that populate the world I say..That is not his responsibility. That is YOUR responsibility. Hate, fear and bigotry has two faces because it involves both sides.
You who believe you will finally get what you deserve I ask...What don't you have that you deserve and whose fault is that? Do you lack the freedom to do, go, and be what you choose? Freedom to think and say what you want? Educational opportunities? Job opportunities? I say to you that there are people of every color, nationality, and religion that suffer the same feelings of injustice that YOU do. That is not this country's fault.
For MOST, there are NO special programs, NO affirmative action, NO minority status, NO government programs available to them that ARE available to YOU.
So, why do they have more than you have? It's because they put action in place of wishing, hard work in place of wanting and self-discipline in place of self-pity. Everything they have is available You. Pay the same dues and you get the same results.
Remember this...If the government gives it to you, they own you. You have no freedom. You are in debt EXCEPT that, at the end of the day, you are not the owner of a house or car. You are OWNED and ENSLAVED by the government who provided everything for you. and BY YOUR OWN CONSENT.
Like it or not Obama was elected and some people agree some disagree. People are need to realize he is only a human being. So many people are looking for a miracle, so they need to start looking for God not a president. Obama is not even in office yet and people are complaining. Give the man a chance you have to give him some credit he is starting off with our country in trouble as it is, he had nothing to do with that. For people to say I will not call him my president is just sad because he has not done anything! He is just passionate about what he believes in and passionate about our country. Who cares what the color of his skin is I thought we would all be mature enough to overcome racial barriers. After all if McCain became president there would be a female right behind him and I sure wouldn't feel comfortable with a female, so I guess that goes to show that no matter who is elected people are going to disagree so we need to stick together as a country if we all love it so much.
C'Mon People... The comment about "All white people are required to report to the cotton fields tomorrow at 7 AM for orientation." is FUNNY! If we don't laugh at ourselves as a nation, we'll end up playing victim all of the time and taking ourselves so seriously that we'll be like the fundamentalist muslims who want to blow everyone up who don't agree with their religion. Oh my gosh people, lighten up or we're really in trouble!
I disagree - not funny... @Jill Y. - Humor is not an excuse for racist comments. "I was only kidding" is used too often to cover up hurtful and thoughtless comments of all types, whether it's between races or spouses!
Humor is good, but thoughtfulness is needed, too. There's too much hurt and pain associated with slavery in America for it to a humorous topic, at least in this venue of discussing the election.
I think it's evident that when non-Mormons use "humor" to discuss LDS beliefs and behaviors that LDS-believers probably don't see the "funny" in that, either.
I'll settle for less humor and more compassion, understanding and acceptance.
robert @Robert O. - many people of many nationalities and colors have been enslaved by others. This country did not hold the monopoly on slavery. The difference is, this country got past that period except for those who will not move past it. Other countries still practice slavery...and no one dares say anything about it. See, that's the difference. If you were there, you'd be in trouble for stating your views. Here, you get to say what you want. So, can't you use that freedom to a better purpose than to remind us of a time in our history when we were not the best people we would/could eventually become.
Excuse me but @Robert O. - How is that comment racist? It's merely a comment on the fact that we've come far enough in this country to have a black president and I've heard so many people say he shouldn't be president just because he's black. If I were a black person saying that white people should now be required to make resitution for slavery that would be ridiculous. I'm thrilled that we were able to elect a black president. Do I think he's the best guy for the job? No, not really. But not because of the color of his skin.
I'm tired of acceptance and tolerance @Robert O. - It only applies to the other guy. Tolerance is code for you have to tolerate me but I don't have to tolerate you. Let's stop POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. It was founded by the USSR in the "Political Correctness" Camps.
no logic Because I didn't vote for Romney in the primary, does that make me a bigot, because he is a Mormon?
Because I didn't vote for Ferraro as VP some years ago, does that make me a bigot, in that I didn't vote for a woman?
So, now I didn't vote for Obama and most of you somehow connect that to me being a bigot?
I would have voted for Cond. Rice. and many other black or half black or half asian or half chinese candidates. I'm sick of all the liberals playing the race card!
You have no logic!
Ditto, ditto, ditto!! @Anderson S. - I wanted so bad for McCain to run with Condie. I wouldn't have had to agonize over my decision as to whom to vote for.
I get tired of Obama supporters thinking that I am racist or bigoted if I didn't vote for him.
The only reason we continue to have race as an issue in this nation is because people continue to MAKE it an issue.
interesting... @older but wiser - So you are going to vote, no matter what color or gender, for the continued deregulation of institutions that has so far collapsed our economy, for continued wars on foreign soils that have nothing to do with our freedom or rights and are more for profits and wrongful worldwide control and for continued misuse and greed in the distribution of jobs and funds to friends of friends instead of the most qualified?
Figures... then you are not a bigot you are an uninformed, conservative-minded individual who fails to see the desperate need for change in this country.
conservative does not equal uninformed! @64lincoln - Just because I am a conservative, it doesn't mean that I am uninformed. I have studied politics my entire life, and in this country (like it or not) there are people on the left and people on the right. How does that make either of us uninformed? I see the falicy in your reasoning skills.
Hey, at least @Anderson S. - I didn't call you a bigot!
I did not say you are uninformed because you are a conservative, I simply said YOU are uninformed AND a conservative. Either you are very young and haven't been able to study politics for long or you haven’t' studied them well if you believe that those conservative, wealthy orientated policies are continued then we will miraculously be free and clear of massive fiscal debt, free of needless wars and free of outrageous greed that is only spread among the uber-wealthy.
And yes there are numerous uninformed people on both sides, all sides, and honestly that is sad. There is no fallacy (not falicy) on my reasoning skills as those things I described in my comments were done by conservative republicans and if you want and believe all of what I said then you are too…. you agree with and believe = you are or sympathize
That's called deductive reasoning... good thing to know.
All I can say is that if we pull our troops out of the war it's a sign of weekness so get ready for the next war to fought right here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! Be prepared for blood in the streets just like the bible quotes in the end of times!
vikinggirlz @vikinggirlz - Really? You actually believe that? You don't think that Bush whacking almost every hornets nest in the middle east with a stick did not make us more vulnerable to terrorism? According to the July 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, Al Qaeda has fully reconstituted itself in Pakistan's northern border region. Terrorist attacks worldwide have grown dramatically in frequency and lethality since 2001. New terrorist groups, from Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia to the small groups of young men who bombed subways and buses in London and Madrid, have multiplied since 9/11. So, vikinggirlz, as you walk around with your end is near sandwich board, make sure you give credit where credit is due...to Bush.
NOT ON BOARD! I do not support president elect osama.
He IS NOT my leader. We do not see things the same way at all. He is a terrorist, lulling the American people to sleep from the inside so he, and people like him can eliminate personal incentive, and remove our true freedoms.
While campaigning, he was almost entirely vague on his policies. When he did seem to be forthright, I didn't agree with him. I haven't listened to a U.S. president since Bill Clinton was elected. I won't start now. I just change the channel.
Most politicians are power mongers, and are so out of touch with reality. They want the power, fame, money, and sex that comes along with the offices they covet. Many do not start out this way, but fall into the trap. Those who remain strong in their convictions find that there is very little good they can do in such a corrupt system. There is no hope in our system as presently constituted. Why do only the ultra-rich get a chance at national political office?
The government can't keep giving money away, and then borrow on the back end. Don't they realize that it's going to blow up sometime?
We have these fools who would rather jeopardize our national security, and entire economy than drill for oil on our own land, and explore other sources of energy.
It's okay to kill a human being growing inside of another, but don't kill a tree!
We have judges deciding what the American people want, taking the voice right out of our lungs. Then we have spend millions of dollars, and thousands of man hours to reverse there decision by voting our true voice. Seems a little backwards to me.
We have the same egotistical aggrandizement in our own state. All gov. johnnie jr. cares about is his legacy, and getting a leg up to take a ride on the jack [no swearing please] that is our national political scene.
If he really wanted to make a difference, he would stop growing the state government and agencies. He would cut out the bureaucracies, and put the resources into educating people, giving them incentives to work, instead of freebies.
Why do government events need to be like the emperer's ball? Why do we need to print on fancy paper, and have gold foiled letterhead? Why did johnnie jr. and others ram the Real stadium down our throats when expert after expert said it was a bad idea, and after it was voted down. They must know better than the citizens of Utah. Thank you for saving us from our foolishness.
HIGHER "EDUCATION" DOESN'T HAVE TO COST THIS MUCH. MOST PROFESSORS DON'T "TEACH," THEY PROFESS. AND WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY EVEN $50 FOR A TEXTBOOK? $200 IS RIDICULOUS. WHAT A RACKET.
POLITICIANS COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THOSE WHO WOULD MAKE MAJOR CHANGES ARE NOT ALLOWED BY THE MAJORITY, BUT MOST JUST WON'T.
WHY DON'T ELECTED AND ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS TAKE THEIR PLACE AS "PUBLIC SERVANTS" INSTEAD OF EGOTISTICAL WINDBAGS JUST OUR FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR ENTOURAGES.
No, I don't support our president elect. Elect a real man, then I'll listen.
Obama's social policies will cost billions and the damage will likely not be fully evident until after Obama is out of office.
His plans will destroy the basic principal of self reliance that has made this country great. Under Obama only the upper middle class and rich will pay taxes. When 50% of Americans don't pay any Federal Income tax they will not care how it is spent, as long as it is on them.
I have family members that receive Government welfare, and it has destroyed them. They can't hold down a job for more than 6 months before they quit. They don't manage their money because they didn't earn it. They don't plan for retirement because they expect the Government to do that for them. Of course they all voted for Obama.
I think the Stock market today said it best, Down 500 points. Those with Money invested know Obama wants to tax it. Businesses know that Obama will take thousands from their bottom line. They know they will have to cut jobs or increase prices to pay for the taxes.
What Obama has said he will do scares me! Having democrats control Congress scares me! The only thing I can hope for is that they do crash and burn in their efforts to destroy this country.
If you really want to be scared, read the Communist manifesto, it is the same concepts that Obama has presented.
Oh, and that's interesting about the stock market. Was wondering what was gonna happen there...why am I not surprised?
I didn't vote for Obama...but stop with the incorrect information already.
Unfortunately, many of the politicians we've elected are corrupt, and will act in accordance with their own (or the lobbyists who've bought them) desires.
We need to be watchful of these people, and hold them accountable for the decisions they make.
Now is the time for cautious optimism, with a lot of careful oversight, and vocal opposition when things are done that should not be.
The net effect was population so dependent on the government that they had no motivation to improve their own lives. There were no dreams or aspirations. Virtually no one owned their own business or house. It was sad. I was an eye witness to the utter failure these programs are. A good way to describe it would be social neutering.
So you see, those of us who are so disappointed or scared are not closed-minded, inexperienced, unsophisticated, brainwashed people who have never been outside of the Utah bubble. On the contrary we have seen it for ourselves, and it is not pretty.
I don't want to live in a nanny state. I want to be a free man with the responsibility and opportunity to provide for myself and my family, along with the truly needy who live among us. Socialism takes that away.
All of Obama's socialistic government plans??? Look up the true definition of Socialism and you will see that the mighty few even remotely socialistic plans Obama's wants to initiate (remember they have to pass/go through congress as well!!!) do not, can not make the US a socialist state.
Did I miss a party?
Now me saying that is technically wrong as I do not know, nor have I met everyone in this state so I am just going by my 25 years of interaction here…. so bad on me for doing a sweeping generalization there.
First of all. I am from D.C. and am worried that Obama is putting in some of Clinton's people. They are all corrupt. I am actually a cousin to the Clinton's. I could tell you stories about them. Yuck!!!! (My side of the family refers to the as the white tra__ of the white house). Their political affliates are big on handouts which don't work!!! Ironically, I'm part Indian. My great-great-grandmother met an Irish man and moved off the reservation and off the government's tab. Best thing in the world for her descendents!!! I have distant relatives on the reservations that have done absolutely nothing!!!! They are bums. Love them, but when you are handed things and don't have to work for them then there is no need to work. Obama's socialist plan is the same way. Socialized medicine does not work. I was raised with my father in the military. They practice socialized medicine. You can't see the best doctors (they out source to foreign non-english speaking doctors) and a lot of medications are not available.
This boils down to - life is about choices. Education is free in America; it is our job to take advantage of it to better ourselves to be able to provide for ourselves. Some may say that not everone has an equal education. I will admit I was educated at the best east coast schools. What made the difference? The community mentality. According to the socio-economic theory of learning you can take a child out of a 'poor' school and put them in a private expensive schoold and I believe about only 2-5% will improve. Upon analysis of the situation, the determining factor of success is the mentality of the parents or significant role model in their life. So, if the parents don't care, there is not much hope unless someone else steps up (ie a teacher, friend...). OBAMA can't miraculously change wages unless people care enough about themselves and their offspring to make them educate themselves.
*My neighbors are from Australia and were informing me of how their system works. First, an individual can't go out create debt and not be responsible. Why do we let people walk away from debt? They should go on a payment plan. They also focus on teaching students trades in high school for those whom will not go to college. There are plenty of jobs in america; we have allowed non documented workers to take them. We have become an snobby culture; many people find themselves too good to do certain jobs.
America has caused this problem. I purchased a home that I could afford. Nothing fancy. Ironically, the family was about to lose the home because they were in the process of buying a mansion. Ironically, they are loosing their mansion now. A lot of this mess was created by GREED!!!
OBAMA isn't the answer to fix these things. We need to start with ourselves. Unfortunately, people many want more dependency. We need more regulation on mortgages and on wall street. We need less free hand outs and more education / training. Instead of free welfare we could even go to the days of when the government PAYED men to do improvement projects (trails, bridges, landscaping...).
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish ; and you have fed him for a lifetime”—Author unknown
The percentage of ignorance and pessimism I have seen on these boards does not translate to the same ratio out in real life.
I just asked for people to think. I also didn't assume anything much different that the mojority of the comments on this board have proved otherwise. 'Deeply rooted socialist beliefs'??? look at his record in the senate, look at the bills he tried and did put forth and the programs he supported in his own community. The few IDEALS that he would LIKE to implement do not gaurantee 1. that they will even get approved and passed and 2. that it will make the US a socialistic state.
Finally an opinion is not based on research or critical thinking, from dictionary.com: opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. or 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
In my opinion, anyone who touts that Socialist rule is some ideal utopia is the one that is ignorant! Try pulling your head out of the dark orifice and find out what life will be like before praising his policies (that by the way have failed every time they've been tried, just ask the USSR)!
You also failed to mention that Sweden is the second highest taxed developed country on the planet! Workers actually get to put 15% of their earnings in their own pocket, compared to 50% in the USA. The rest goes to one form of tax or another! Sounds great, doesn't it? I sure look forward to losing another 35% of my income to the government, don't you?
If any of you are excited about Obama's promised social plans, please move to Europe now (or Canada for that matter) and get a taste of it for yourself. I bet you'll be disappointed and come back home with a different perspective. Personally, I find the social safety net in Sweden to be stifling, despite them waking up and moving a few steps back toward capitalism in the early 1990s and again in 2006.
Ref: http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0319/034.html
and
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jun/16/20070616-080932-5740r/
if you want something to "look up". Socialism isn't all that great.
Unemployment rate:
US #49 lowest
Sweeden #55 lowest (0.8% higher than the US, and nowhere near the lowest)
Standard of Living isn't much higher in Sweden (#2) than the US (#6). btw, #2 isn't the highest!
YA right- maybe the dems could try a little of that open mind thing themselves. I will give bama a chance, the vote is in and I have no choice. I hope he proves me wrong, but that doesnt mean I have to blindly jump from the cliff like a lemming or dems. in this case.
This whole election is what has completley soured me on trust! Rasmussen reported yet another poll this am. It showed most republicans believed in media bias, and that the media actually put on their vote obama shirts and didnt even try hide it. The thing is that over half (I believe) of Dems and Independents also agreed that the media had portrayed Mccain poorly and bama as though he were "THE ONE"
I do believe that this is the end of unbiased reporting and its just plain wrong.
So the media, the extreme libs, and the nastiness of a lot of supporters (creaming Palin etc) completley changed my view point of the dem. Party. You want me back on board youll have to earn it. Bama will have to earn my support and trust. But I do promise you to give bama as much respect as you have given to Bush...
and as ive said in the past its now on the dems. shoulders to make things work (since they are the ONES) so have at it... Its also all their faults if it doesnt work out... have fun with that also.
YOu thing im mean spirited? Nope Im just sick of the
games. I dont trust Bama and I dont care for him in the least, but he is my President and I will respect the OFFICE he holds, for the man he has to earn that respect.
Anyone who votes or makes decisions without doing some research is misinformed or closed minded. We all should make choices for the one(s) that we've done the research on, and find they match what we want. Vote as you will, but don't vote blindly.
You want to know why I vote republican? because they are conservative!
because they stand for my belief system and for my political system.
How could I vote for a Dem. When they have 0 respect for my conservative views?
Give me a dem. that believes in lower taxes
pro-life
pro-family (one man / one woman)
is still ok with God
believes in a hand up, not a hand out
wants this country to succeed (military) and doesnt want to just stay home, hoping we'll be okay.
give me a dem that has the guts (as bush did) to say I will fight on their turf instead of ours, I will go to war and defend this country
I will go after terrorists ~ even if I don't make many friends along the way.
This Iraq war was started, with both parties eyes wide open and in agreement. It was only when it became unfavorable because it wasnt over in 5 minuets that everyone jumped ship and went against our own government and President. Everyone jumped ship when things got tough. So if you want me on the bama ship there had better be some reaching across the isle and some respect toward me and the conservative party.
Im giving him his chance- 90 days! but seeing as he's already picking uber liberal cabnet people- Im not holding my breath.
We don't need more taxes right now on the people who create businesses and jobs, we need the government to be business and investor friendly. Obama is neither; he will raise capital gains, raise taxes on small businesses, and raise taxes on more than just the 2%. New York City politicians made a promise of tax rebates and tax cuts just last year and looks what's going to happen.....neither. What about the tax cuts promised in California? Nah, they were just campaign rhetoric. The truth is California can't pay it's bills and will have to either raise taxes or cut spending. Since California is run by libs, you can bet they'll just raise taxes. Cutting spending means taking away government money from people who are dependent on the state and angering democrat voters.
Obama made campaign promises that many people bought into hook line and sinker. Gone are lofty speeches that made people feed good, gone are the campaign promises, gone are the pie in the sky emotional responses as reporters cried and people celebrated. Now it's time for reality and the reality is our economy is sick due to the sub prime mortgage meltodown (courtesy of the democrat party).
If you dont like the guy I can understand that, but if you want to spew facts...get them right.
Your California comparison is also mis guided...the gov. is a republican not a lib.
I did not support Obama either....but I hope I am smart enough to look for the opportunities in a changing country....
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1021/p09s01-coop.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_05/006282.php
http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/18/IN5C13H0J5.DTL
http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/09/economy-suffers-under-republicans.html
The Bush administration, supported by Republicans on Capitol Hill, pushed through a sweeping tax cut in 2001, under which the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans reaped 43 percent of the gain. In less than a year and a half, the federal government's 10-year projected budget surplus of $1.6 trillion had vanished. In 2000, we had a surplus of $236 billion. In 2004, we had a deficit of $413 billion. This dramatic reversal is the direct consequence of Bush's tax cuts - and McCain wants to pursue the same bankrupt policies.
The past three decades have seen a momentous shift: The rich became vastly richer while working-class wages stagnated. Economists say 80 percent of net income gains since 1980 went to people in the top 1 percent of the income distribution, boosting their share of total income to levels unseen since before the Great Depression.
In the last 30 yaers we have had a republican president for 20 of them and look at was has happened.
If you truley believe the republicans are better for the working class and small business you are a fool.
Here is what the Bush Tax cuts did:
the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket
the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25%
the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28%
the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33%
the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35%
Those that pay more in taxes get more back with a tax cut. Those that don't pay taxes don't receive any money back from a tax cut without receiving a Welfare check. This is the spin put on the tax cuts by the left. The Federal Government still gets over 1/3 of the income of those in the highest bracket. That does not count State income tax, Social security, medicaid, etc they still have to pay.
What is wrong with people prospering? Governments job is not to hold people back from prospering. Taxes were cut across the board in an effort to keep the Government from getting in the way. Holding back the upper class will not raise the lower class.
How much do you pay when you file your taxes? Under Obama I would get $500 more than I paid. I don't want his welfare check!
What will be the result of requiring small businesses to pay tens of thousands more in taxes every year?
What will be the result of requiring large businesses to pay Hundreds of thousands more in taxes every year?
How much will it cost the Government to pay for Healthcare for millions of people? In 2007 the Government paid 641.8 billion for those on Medicaid/Medicare/etc. Add in 50 million more people and how much to you think it will cost?
Obama wants to pay for the first $4,000 of College for any college student. How much will that cost?
Obama wants to add 92,000 soldiers how much will that cost?
Obama want to cut taxes for 95% of Americans, how will he pay for his spending? 40% don't pay taxes and will get a welfare check labeled as a tax return.
Obama has said he will make it so expensive to put in a Coal power plant that anyone who wants to do it will go bankrupt in the process. He also said that the amount Americans pay for the Utilities will need to go up to get rid of coal power plants and fight Global warming. How will this effect the economy?
If Obama does what he has said he will do it will take decades to clean up his mess.
As for inheritance, it is not the Federal Governments job to give to people. It is Federal Governments Job to Protect our Security/Freedom, and to not Hinder the Economy.
The debt has been largely built with Social spending that costs American Tax payers around a Trillion every year.
Now, I just hope the Democrats in Congress don't make a mess of things like both parties tend to do when they're at the helm. I'm thankful that we didn't end up with a fillibuster-proof majority.
(rolls eyes)
Liberals want it to be a democracy, because that empowers them to vote themselves more money from the public treasury.
That is exactly why our inspired founding fathers feared a true democracy; and they never set up any such government.
I agree this plane has NO PILOT!! Just an idiot without a learners permit...
So, just cover your eyes and enjoy the ride. We will let you know when to open them again!
Who have you been listening to? Hugo Chavez? Chavez thought the Rich in his country had too much so he opened up land owned by the "Rich" to anyone who wanted to live on it. That is essentially what Obama wants to do. Steal from the Rich and Give to the poor.
It doesn't matter how much money someone has it is wrong to steal from them!
DOUG, IF YOU ARE READING THIS. "RETIRE" IT IS PAST TIME. GIVE ANOTHER PERSON THE RIGHT TO BRAINWASH UTAH LIKE YOU HAVE. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? RETIRE AND GIVE EVERYONE A BREAK. OBAMA...MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT. HE WILL DESTROY AMERICA! YOU CAN NEVER GIVE A BLACK CONTROL, THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO STRESS. THEY MAKE WRONG DECISIONS CONSTANTLY, AND ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A WHITE FOR ADVICE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY ARE..ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. WHAT THIS MAN WILL DO WILL DESTROY AMERICA. IF WE ARE LUCKY HE WILL GET OUT BEFORE HE DOES, HE IS A MADMAN.
[Please don't shout with ALL CAPS.]
Moron!!!
Not to mention what ever happened to "in a time of war you BACK your president or you're uinAmerican." OH I see only if that president is Republican right?
YOu're all a bunch of HYPOCRITES and pathetic littles[no swearing please]! Like you told those in 2004 if ya don't like it MOVE Canada isn't that far away. BUt I doubt you'd like it weither they have SOCIALIZE medicine.
But hey maybe some where in europe they might take you
but being YOUR preident alienated them all maybe they won'ttake you either. Hmm Iraq might be a good place for you you can even take your guns with you and shoot poeple. you'd like that huh?
I find your comment extremely offensive and inappropriate as it is clearly racist.
Feel free to disagree with the guy, or dislike him personally, but please do it for the right reasons, instead of believing everything you read on the Internet.
Check snopes.com for accuracy on internet rumors, they tend to be quite accurate, and they cite their sources as well.
To be very clear, I am not an Obama fan and I did not vote for him.
Besides, even if he WERE muslim, would that really matter? Are we so biased toward non-christians that we fail to look beyond their religious beliefs? I've worked with several muslims. They are decent, moral, God-fearing people. True Islam is a faith of peace.
Secondly, Barack Obama is our President-Elect. I think he deserves our respect regardless of wheter we voted for him, John McCain, or Mickey Mouse. We should support him as our president. We should give him our respect until he has proven himself unworthy of such. To do otherwise is un-American.
P.S. FYI: I voted for someone else... but I believe wholeheartedly in our country and the democratic process. The People have spoken.
as-salamu `alaykum
(Peace be unto you)
WIL! That's your president you're--- WILL YOU TAKE OFF THAT TIN FOIL HAT AND LOOK AT ME WHEN I'M TALKING TO YOU!
Worst case scenario, we'll be as prosperous as under Clinton. Spooky!
896 Billion on Health Care/Welfare
653.9 Billion on Defense
Don't forget that Defense is the PRIMARY purpose of the federal Government.
What Obama has proposed are new entitlement programs and to make Health Care a right provided by the Government by Taxing your employer. As an employer I would not be able to pay for the added tax burden and would cut employees.
Obama will break the Economy, and according to what he has proposed Double or triple Social Spending.
I just laughed about all the lies and mistruths that people made up to scare people away from voting for Obama. I didn't get one email bad mouthing McCain but I must have recieved 200 about Obama.
As far as people pulling their money out of the stock market goes. How are we supposed to get our country out of debt if we don't tax someone? Obviously the last 8 years of running this country into the ground isn't working. Somebody has to pay and unfortunately nobody likes it. But we can't keep doing what we've been doing or we won't have a country to call our own. I just hope Obama does some good and tries to fix some of the problems we have. O and if anyone was wondering I am not a democrat :)
Just remember that Defending our country and our freedoms is the primary purpose of the Federal Government.
Giving out a Welfare check to my cousin so he can spend his money on a brand new pickup truck is not what this country needs.
I know at least 15 people who receive either Welfare, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, Social Security, etc. It has helped none of them It has made them more dependent on Government and less responsible in their own lives. We need in this country not only the freedom to succeed, but the freedom to fail. That is what makes great Americans and makes America great! The change Obama wants is to change America into Canada, or Sweden. What Obama wants goes against the Self reliance, Family responsibility, and patriotism that made this country great.
More welfare slobs, less self reliance, more government control = equals unavoidable collapse.
We still have a the greatest nation on the earth in spite of some of the poor misguided people ( so far)
we are just all going to have to fight as hard as we can now to keep it that way.
The Flag incident (it was the national anthem NOT the pledge):
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_anthem.htm
The Flag Pin scandal (oh, the horrors):
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1779544,00.html
Birth Certificate rumor:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
As for the video on YouTube, yes I believe what I see. Don't you?
Nobody cares about the Flag Pin.
The real problem with Obama is what he has said. Things like lowering taxes for 95% of Americans, when 40% don't pay any Federal Income taxes. That is very simple math. For some reason Obama prefers to lie than tell the truth.
And NO I didn’t vote democrat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Oh....BTW. Anthem Etiquette is that you stand at attention....no Saluting necessary. Saluting is for the Pledge and when the Flag passes by (in which case you should be facing it).
BTW this is not a major issue, this is just one of many small issues that are indicative of an elitist who has no respect for this country or what has made this country great. Obama only won 52% of the vote and not a Landslide. He received 63 million votes while Bush in 2004 received 62 million.
Obama only received 43% support among white Voters, while McCain received 55%. 95% of Black voters voted for Obama. 67% of latino voters voted for Obama. Obama has no clear mandate! He is a slick car salesman that has sold the American people a Lemon!
This man could not get a security clearance due to his past associations and people he had contact with. This is based on the Homeland security Regulations. But the Congress. Senators and our Government officials are exempt from these rules and regulations. IF you are a government worker, Contractor or Soldier then you would haver to pass the security clearance to work for our government. Yet we vote him in as president...Though I am not a Bush supporter, history will look back and declare Obama worse than Bush...I am very afraid that we will see another great depression under his rule...
Hmmm, it says the rumor is true. What do ya know. How about you look it up on snopes.com next time.
McCain's corporatism should scare you more. He's in favor of handing over our last mode of free speech (the internet) to private companies like AT&T who would filter any content (for the right price) at the drop of a hat. Just like they helped the U.S. unconstitutionally spy on people who didn't even need to be spied on.
The only thing we can't afford to lose our free speech, and McCain is the biggest threat to the internet, and that Ted Stephens guy who said the internet is a series of tubes.
Trust me, without free speech, America would start transforming into China much faster than you think it would under Obama.
Please take off your tin foil hat, and use the most magnificent fact-checking tool at your fingertips, thanks.
He lost.
He isn't a player.
As for Obama--all this talk about associations and patriotism and Socialism will be irrelevant in about five months. He will have been in office and we will know more or less where he stands on many issues.
Immediately, we should see the saving of tens of thousands of lives each year just by revoking Bush's anti-family planning executive orders and administrative policies.
When Bush took office, he stopped the US support of condom distribution to countries with serious AIDS problems, and the death rates increased considerably.
Another good thing that will probably happen is Obama's appointment of Supreme Court Justices who aren't Religious Right wack-jobs like Thomas and Scalia and Alito. I like Roberts so far. I hope Obama is able to appoint several justices. The anti-individual rights justices are now in the majority, and we need to re-establish balance. Too bad Sandra Day couldn't have held out until a less religiously zealous President was in office. Two of our most explicitly religious presidents have been our worst presidents: Carter and Bush.
Also Socialism as a program that has never worked...Obama and the Dems are Pure Socialists. Spread the wealth, Socialized Medicine, More Social Programs for the lazy people. Do you think as a middle class person you are going to get anyones wealth??? Think again. You make too much money...It will go to the poor, the people who are lazy and will not work, and to the illegals who are getting benifits that are for Americans. You think things are going to get better??? Well let me tell you, If taxes on business go up you will join the ranks of the unemployed as business will not only raise their prices, but will cut jobs. Businesses are already looking to see where else in the world they can go to cut costs. Expect to see double digit unemployment before Obama is 2 years into his new office. I own a business and IF my taxes go up I will lay off everyone and shut my doors. I will not pay more for Obama and his socalized programs. I will not be able to stay in business. Which means you will have less food to eat as I am a farmer and I will be hit the hardest. I get what ever the market bears. IF prices are high I make decent money, If prices are low I lose my shirt. I already pay enough in taxes that I did not make a profit this year. High fuel costs and rising wages killed me. This year I am in the negitive as far as profits go...Think Obama is going to help me??? Think I will get a share of anything??? Nope...I take the risks, I accept my profit and loss, and I am responsable for what happens with my business...I refuse to give out my meager profits so someone who does not take my risks can have a share of something they did not earn or work for. To someone who was too cowardly to take the risks and expect a handout. I would rather shut my doors and let somone else take the risks and pay high taxes. I will grow enough to take care of myself and my family and not worry about trying to get through hard times. I am not the only one who is thinking about shutting their doors. Others are looking to move their corporate headquarters to countries that really want them and will give them breaks. Good l;uck to those of you who wanted this change so bad that you were willing to sell our country down the drain and sell your sell to the devil. No I did not vote for either of the canidates in the major party's. Both are crooks and both helped to cause the mess we are in. I wanted real change, not socialism, not more of the same, not larger government, not more social programs, not socialized medicine and not a share the wealth plan. We needed real change and neither of the major parties canidates are the real answer. God help America, Cause our new president will not...
How is a guy who has no experience except going to school and living off the government supposed to know how to manage anything?
El pipi fantasma
Scared is good, but doesn't quite cut it. Obama bought the election. He duped the ignorant people in society by making false promises and then encouraging them to get out and vote. (I hope they are false)
I loved the girl who said she was so excited because when she woke up in the morning she "wouldn't have to worry about the price of gas anymore, or about paying a mortgage." Then there is the guy that called into Hannity to say that he was voting for Obama because he "wants his check." I suppose that is where the nae "Messiah " comes from.
Please People! Do you have to make your ignorance so public? It just makes us more pissed off.
And to think, we traded a real war hero, with experience and an actual voting record for THIS?
EL PIPI FANTASMA
Does it matter anymore who won once we hear communism spewing from both candidates mouths?
And, to ease your angst though, and to let you know I wish we had had a better Republican candidate to begin with, so we'd win, the story of Obama having all those millions from fundraising was all made up! And, the story of Obama's grandmother dying is also all made up! Also fabricated is the story of Obama spending a night on the streets of New York City when he was younger and washing himself with a fire hydrant. And, I believe his mother is living too and told him not to get him involved in the election at all so he told her he made up the story that she died! Who do we trust? I heard Obama say months ago that these stories were made up--as well as the campaign millions--and when the stress got to him he'd say to the press he was leaving to go to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother, but not really! Yet, months later, and a week before the election, he's supposedly flying off to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother!! All a big story.
I agree this Obama thing isn't going to go as well and everyone wishes. And, I wonder where he's going to vacation when the stress gets to him this time, but to tell you the truth, I'm Republican and am tired of the same old thing--and to me McCain's not young enough to do the job we needed! Even he admitted he never could put in the energy of a full campaing so he just kept having recorded speeches aired! He really wasn't out and about the country all month--Palin did most the work.
Guess Obama was "supposed" to win.
Maybe the Democrats know how to help the economy and end/win a war or at least have it on their heads now how it goes since they've done so much complaining!!!
I do however stand behind him not being my president. He is not and he never will be. He is the leader of this country for now.
I find it humorous that all these Dems keep saying give him a chance, or we need to get behind our president. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Are you the same ones who have been crucifing our current president? NO matter what you feel he did wrong he is still our president. Your logic makes no sense.
I have news for all you Dems, you will be getting a taste of what all of us have had to listen to for the past 8 years. I know this will happen, because Obama will destroy this country. Do I want that to happen? Of course not I have 5 kids, but I know it will happen.
The fact that he has bad judgement in friends means nothing to me now or that his wife isn't proud of this country.
What matters to me is the pressure he will get from the far left to SPEND SPEND SPEND all of our money. People act as if he is the second coming of Christ. SOmeone made a comment on here further up how the comments on here are what scares her. Have you seen the way these Obamaintes act?
It is remminiscent of that scene from the Mummy when all those people from the village are under a curse and are chanting the mummies name, just replace the mummies name with Obamas and you have it just about right. They are following blindly without question.
I guess it is now up to us Repubs to question every single move he makes, and magnify every bad choice he makes (starting with his pick of COS RAHM) You can't get further left then him. Excluding Pelosi and Reid.
In closing, buckle up we are in for a long a very scart ride. I pray at the end we are all still well enough and whole enough to walk off the ride.
If I am on a plane of course I don't want the pilot to crash. No one would hope for that. I don't want Obama to fail. If I am forced to board a plane that is going to a destination that I don't want to go, then I will be upset. If I find the pilot is anebriated, or not fit for the job in any way, I will be mad as well. I would ask how he got there in the first place, who allowed this to happen, how could he be so selfish etc. etc. I would worry about the safety of other passengers as well as my own. Does that mean I want him to crash and burn? Of course not. I want him to succeed for the good of everyone on that plane. I am just pissed off. And I have every right to be.
He is going to systematically destroy our country, first with the economy, then with our defense. Finally with immigration. I don't think people quite grasp what is going on here, they are too caught up in the excitement of the win.
Reality is about to hit 63 million americans, for the other 55 million of us it has already hit. I was scared before Obama was elected...now I am TERRIFIED!
My husband and I have 5 children that we need to protect, and 63 million of us have just ruined thier future.
IF he comes out of his 4 years making the country a better place then how he found it, then great I will be thrilled beyond belief. However, I unfortunately know that is not going to happen. The Dems have been in control of the congress for just over 2 years and look at where they have taken us.
Now imagine not only are they in charge of congress but they are a majority in the senate they are in the White HOuse and 2 more will be appointed to the Highest Court in this land.
This country has we had once known it is gone, we will all be changed forever. I dont mean change in a good way either. In a time like this ones instinct would be to say "I TOLD YA SO". But really I dont think I want to say it, because the I told ya so is going to hurt my family and everyone else I love.
May God bless us all and protect us we are really going to need it!
KSL: You and your board of directors ought to be ashamed of yourself for even starting this unbelievable tirade. Talk about anti-American and anti-patriotic. Yes, freedom of speach is one thing but you do have a moral obligation here.
Guess what people - we don't always get what we want. But WAKE UP, we're in a Democracy here and the majoriy wins - like it or not. Stop your crying. I have yet to see a president or ANY representative be all things to all people. We do have a system that I'm personally proud of as being the best government on the planet but it's not perfect.
Good god people, go back to work.
1. Tax increase of a minimum of 10% to everyone except those on welfare
2. Welfare dependants increase by 15%
3. Gas prices above 5$ per gallon
4. Iraq falls to terrorist control resulting in at least one major terrorist attack on our home soil.
5. Gay marriage legalized in most states not having amendments to the contrary
6. Final year budget deficit over 2 trillion dollars
7. Food/commodity prices up 20%
8. Unemployment increases by 3-5 points
9. High school test scores fall at an accelerated rate and college graduation rates fall 10% or more per capita
10. Individuals living within poverty level increase by 10%
That's my purely gut hunch guess...we'll see if I'm right at the end of 4 years.
Also, if you want people to understand you, you might try writing in English...we are in America you know.
Troll away.
Oh, and here's number 11: Illegal immigration increases by 15% resulting in a crime rate increase in border states of 30%.
Happy trolling EJ.
I've never held more than 300 dollars in my hand.
I have worked jobs both alongside immigrants, and ones they wouldn't do, and I was grateful I could work to boot.
I've spent a lot of time living in inner city Houston.
I am currently putting myself through college with no outside assistance--that's right, mom and dad aren't helping me because they have the rest of my family to take care of.
Think I haven't seen the side? think again.
Difference is I can still think straight and solve my own problems instead of wanting someone else to bail me out.
Oh, and thanks for the welcome. I'm quite enjoying it. ;)
Woopdee doo....
2. Free speech gone.
3. Freedom of association gone.
4. A Brown Shirt like para military "national defense" force.
5. Federal Budget gone wild.
6. All large companies taxed into submission and scared out of this country taking jobs and tax bases with them.
7. Increased intolerance of religious beliefs.
8. 2 more ultra liberal judges on the supreme court
9. Even more wars around the world because we are so weak and unwilling to stop anything.
10. Complete lack of respect around the world as Obama seeks to talk bad guys into submission.
Just my two cents worth.
2-No more 2nd Amendment rights
3-Michelle Obama
4-Infanticide here to stay
5-Taxing small businesses out of business
6-$1 trillion extra gov. spending
7-Socialized Medicine
8-Large corporations hiding money, cutting jobs, leaving the country
9-Sitting down with leaders from Iran unconditionally
10-A notional disaster in the first 6 months (Mark Bidens words) And they won't respond appropriately, but we still need to back them up.
I could go on all night.
I have another perspective too though. I have worked in health care for 17 years now. I am, by no means, the expert on this topic, but I do have an opinion. I agree that something needs to be done. I have many ideas on what that is, but that is a whole other issue.
I believe passionately, that the government should not be involved in health care as far as trying to run it. It would be a disaster. The quality of health care would be in the toilet. Look at other government employees. They take no pride in their work. They are mean and insensitive. Do you really want your Dr. or Nurse to be that kind of person? The quality of research and medication would decline as well.
People are driven by a free market. I currently own a business. I work long hours, take risks, make sacrifices, have to pay unbelievable taxes. I could probably make more money working for someone else with half the headache. Sometimes I wonder if it is all worth it. But I am driven by the possibility of success. It is like my baby that I am raising. I dream of financial success and independence and of being able to help others financially. I am proud of my employees and the pride they take in their work. I have exciting ideas that sometimes work and sometimes do not, but they are my ideas that I get to implement. That is what is rewarding about a free market.
Take that drive away and we don't have new research and ways to save lives and manage diseases. There won't be Dr.'s that are willing to spend 10+ years in school and work long, gruelling hours in behalf of the patient.
I hate paying medical bills and then I remind myself that my family would be much smaller than it is if I weren't paying those bills. I am not giving a lecture on gratitude. I know it is tough, but the government is not the answer. That would only make the problem worse.
Look at other countries that are doing that right now. Sure, some people like it, but the majority do not. They wait for months for an MRI. They die while waiting for an operation.
They are also leaning on the USA, using our expensive research and new procedures and medications. We are the leader in health care for the world. We do not have the luxury of leaning on another country. We are it.
Yes, something needs to be done, but please, do not push for bigger gov. There are other, better ways. Gov. involvement would defeat the reason you want them to be involved in the first place, and then there would be no where to turn, even if you have all the money in the world.
Anyway, just watch, Obama's promises of prosperity will NOT materialize. Corruption will get worse, not better.
and who is "H"? just curious.
Barrack "H" Obama!!!!
#12 The new Great Depression begins...
I see it on the boards here, on ksl, as just people pointing fingers. Lets just reach the facts that Obama is in for four years, that might be great for some people, but for some, like me, it might not be the great situation. But im sick of of just wanting a president fail, lets stick up and act like Americans for once, and come together. STOP blaming bush, clinton, banks, for one time. and realize that maybe those sub prime loans were us. those living without their means were ourselves. Lets just support, even if we dont agree. Now thats american!
You should never blindly 'support' your leaders... what if we were in nazi germany, would you support your leader regardless?
We are responsible for the people we put in power, but we're not responsible for the sub prime mortgages (clinton actually made it a law to give out more sub prime mortgages) but it is OUR fault for electing him.
Support alone will do nothing... you have to actually USE that MAGNIFICENT fact-checking tool (the internet) that you have at your fingertips.
Saying that, we do need to be courteous to one another at the same time as making our opinion known (which I sometimes fail at). Not sure how I'm going to reconcile myself with this situation since Obama's views are diametrically opposed to mine in almost every instance. I guess this all just means that we should do our homework and exercise our civic duty and vote for and support the candidate we think is best for the country and make our voices heard respectfully at every opportunity.
Given a choice between positive solutions coupled with hope and intelligence from Obama versus fear and ignorance from Gov Palin, the choice was easy, not only for me, but also for the majority of Americans. It is no accident that the level of education, knowledge (as opposed to email myths and fables) and intelligence correllated directly with support of Obama and inversely to support of McCain-Palin.
Where did you get your superior opinions? Hopefully first hand and not from the Internet. I suppose you know Obama personally.
snopes.com is not on the internet?
Yes, it is mind boggling.
It is only the day after he is elected and he is already start the snake dance, squirming out of his promise to change things!!!
Read it for yourself!-
With Victory in Hand, Obama Aides Say Task Now Is to Temper High Expectations:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06expect.html
I can't believe you people! You all need to get out and get a life because whether you like Obama or not he is the President and we as people should support him and hope he will make the country better and stronger than it is today.
Why are not more of you angry at BUSH? He's the jerk who got us where we are because he lied to us and he let the banks and credit card companies run amuck because they lined his and the republican parties pockets. Now we are in HUGE debt, have no money and people can't even file bankruptcy to get away from the banks and what they owe.
On a side note I think all of you who have defended Palin to the end should read today's story on ABC News and think to yourself, "Maybe I should have sent an email to McCain demanding she be dropped from the ticket for a better choice running mate." This is 70% the reason many of us long time republicans shifted and voted for the democrat.
- Alexander Tyler
"Neither party is especially prudent on fiscal matters, of course. But the ability of either to exercise monopoly power in Washington, or something close to it, should worry anyone concerned about limits on government and worried about new taxes and harmful restrictions on free trade.
Divided government has its benefits. One calculation says the best times for the U.S. stock market -- a 20.2 percent stock market return and a 4 percent GDP increase -- happened under a Democratic president and a Republican Congress. Then there's the remarkable stock market boom after the 1994 mid-term election".
Real facts, Real numbers, and the numbers never lie.
El pipi fantasma
Go ahead we need the room you will leave and boy will you get "schooled."
I only wish voters would quit voting for more of the same (from the Dems and Reps both) so that our freedoms would stop eroding.
When people think they need to leave this country, that actually does say something....
With 97% Reporting
Obama had 63,679,596 Votes
McCain had 56,278,372 Votes
for a total of 119,957,968 Votes
The Black people = 13% or 15,594,536 Votes
Now Obama received 95% of the Black Votes
So if 50% of the Black vote went to McCain then 7,797,268 Votes will come from Obama and go to McCain
and that would make the outcome of
Obama 55,882,328 Votes
McCain 64,075,640 Votes
And McCain Wins.
These numbers would have changed many of the states, and McCain would have easily won Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Probably More.
If the Black Communities were not so determined to have a black president then we would have McCain as the President-elect right now.
Please tell me if i am delusional or if i'm on to something.
Thank you.
and numbers do lie statistics can be made to say anything.
Why did all those white people vote for him it wasn't because he was black.
His mother is White. His father is Black.
Thus he is 50%.
Sorry,
but the Blacks only succeeded half way.
Though he is a wanna be Black, he is still short of the mark. (As he will probably be on most issues).
Stop WHINING about it and move forward.
Or should we put you in last night's new episode of South Park as a moron who is living in his bomb shelter.
But you McCaine could have won if the black vote turn out wasn't so large.
I think it is sad that this is the only time the black vote has been at its highest.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-text1105,0,2684817.story
Certainly will go down as one of the great orators in history.
Troll away, but it's the truth.
I'm not necessarily scared, but I am disgusted. If you look closely at Obama's position on many things, and particularly at his view of protecting life (or not, in this case), that's downright pathetic. To think that someone that has so little concern for the value of life would be leading this whole nation - wow. What does that really mean for all of us?
Just watch here, and you'll see for yourself: http://americaschoicenow.com/
Yes, I am disgusted.
It is disgusting and pathetic that people think they have the right to make reproductive decisions for women. Obama can only do so much to influence choice in America, but it will be good to have a person in office who will not continue the deadly policies of the last administration relative to reproductive health.
Abortions increase considerably under conservative policies because many neo-conservative (The Post-Barry Goldwater Conservatives) are against family planning and birth control. More pregnancies have a direct correlation with the number of abortions, and conservative policies on sex education and birth control lead directly to pregnancies. For example, Texas and its abstinence-only approach to pregnancy prevention has lead to the highest level of unwanted pregnancies in the nation. The Bush Administrations policies on internation aid to organizations providing reproductive health assistance has cost tens of thousands of lives each year.
This this country deserves the ash kicking its about to get! Hang On!
Husein Husein Husein Husein OBAMA
a lynch mob
two wolves and a chicken voting on dinner
"Democracy is the most vile form of government"
--THOMAS JEFFERSON
What we have (or HAD) is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.
The constitutional limits on how people and groups can use government power is critical to de-fanging the majority's ability to destroy liberty in the name of conformity and pious meddling in people's personal lives.
I had hope for George W Bush after he was elected because I gave him the benefit of the doubt and was proud when he said we were going to get the [no swearing please] who made the towers fall but not long after that I became horrified that this man who we call our president took such a wrong turn.
So how about we all just sit back for awhile, have some popcorn and enjoy the show then we can decide if it's going to be a horror flick or not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html
When 95 percent of the black vote went to bama you know it wasnt just change, values, or life they were voting on. They were voting in the first bi-racial President. They were voting for someone that is like them.
I beleive more people voted for him *(the name and the promise) then voted for him because they really know him, or understand his policies.
You know what Obama would be called if he were the same man but a Republican? he would be called white.
So please with all of our race talks try and remember that racists come in every color,religion, region, etc.
I wish I had more faith in him (he hasnt earned it) I wish I trusted him (he hasnt earned it) and I wish I believed he may govern toward the center, and work with republicans..but I don't think he will.. hes already vetting a liberal that is more liberal then bama himself...I hope (as sean Hannity said) and I swear Im mean this:
I hope that bama succeeds, I hope that he finds a way to pull this country together and I hope he can keep us safe. I hope that Im wrong.....I fear I wont be but I still hope, and for the first 6-8 months ill just sit back and watch ~ so Ill give him a little time.
I will also hold him and the dems responsibile for everything from Jan 09 on. Its all in their hands now and they say they know exactly what to do with it....we'll see. But now they have no one in the world to blame except themselves......no republican fall guy.
I hope Im wrong....
I do not want to see this presidency turn into a 4 year love fest which very easily could happen. Barrack will not be able to do anything wrong in the eyes of his supportrs. and no matter what he does in office good or bad.
Bama will get a free pass from the libs and the African Americans.
Im proud to see a country that has gone that next step and voted for a bi-racial man. I have no problem with that, and I think its great for all the USA. Im happy for every person of color becuase the joy they must feel- isnt really even something Ive felt in my life time...except when our soldiers and others were trying to save lives after 911. That trying time was the time I felt truely American and like we were all on one team.
Today the libs scare me...
nancy
harry
barny
biden
bama and others
Im sorry They just scare me. But for this countries sake I hope that Obama does well.... if not we'll have Hannity and Orielly and others keeping on him and others.
well i had to take some meds for a headache and they are bugging me out...( i think its election/ksl/day after headache..) so Im out.
I was for Obama before each party had their candidate. I believe he is a decent man. I thought that some of the change he was talking about could do us some good. Then as I started researching him some more and the more truth I found out about him the more I did not know him and did not trust him enough to be MY representative. I changed my mind on him based on what he stands for and they did not coincide with what I believed in. I'm sorry but the government is not going to make our lives better. We don't need to rely on the government to fill up our gas tanks or make our mortgage payment. That is our responsibility not the governments. WE have to make our lives better. It starts at a family and community level and works its way up. It doesn't come from the government down. And what Obama, and other politicians, is after is for the government to make our lives better, make everyone equal (not talking about race) financially. I'm sorry but why should someone who actually EARNS their own money have to pay for someone who just leeches off society and doesn't do anything? Definition of socialism: "any of the various economic and political theories advocating collective or GOVERNMENTAL ownership and administration of the means of production and DISTRIBUTION of goods". "Take from the rich and give to the poor", or "spread the wealth" IS socialism, and what does he want to do? "Spread the wealth" "take from the rich and give to the poor" I'm not just talking Obama here but about many politicians out there who believe the government can and will solve everything. There are many other reasons why I did not like Obama but that was the main thing that drove me nuts.
Now I didn't like McCain either but I felt he was the lesser of two evils. I did not believe him to be another Bush. I guess you could say that I was more for Palin than McCain because I felt that more of what she was talking about went with what I believed in. (besides McCain blinks too much... lol) And it really is sad that politics has now come down to picking the lesser of the evils to represent us to the world... *sigh*
I really would have prefferred Hilary in office over Obama and McCain, but oh well...
I am glad that we have made a historic step by having an African American president. There was a customer at work yesterday who saw that one of my coworkers had an "I voted" sticker on. He said to her "So you went and voted did ya? Well I hope you didn't vote for that n****r Obama!" (those were his exact words). I'm sorry but you don't talk to or about anyone like that! I don't care if you don't like him or not he still needs to be treated with the same respect you would want to be treated with.
I also just wanted to say that things CAN get worse than what Bush has done. And as we see more and more of our freedoms go flying out the door as the government tries to make our lives better, I don't want to hear any complaining about Obama. After all, America's the ones who voted him in... (that and ACORN... but we'll skip that part...) lol
Again, I am happy that you are all happy and excited about his win! I'm mostly happy that this election is over with!! lol
*Note: all this is MY belief and MY opinion. I'm NOT bashing anyone or their beliefs!
Glad the election is over, but the ride has just begun.
The American People spoke and resoundingly chose YOUR next president, I didn't vote for Bush in 2004 but none the less he was my president and while it is our right nay our duty to criticize leadership, I find the continuing perpetuation of the untrue and misinformed to be the real reason to fear, We face unprecedented challenges in the times to come and needlessly perpetuating myths and lies to stir needless fear and discontent about a president who has yet to take office or make a single decision! As of yet your fears are unfounded! His inexprience may be his greatest strength or his greatest weakness, We do not know.
Leadership is not born in the senate or in congress. Has I overheard today, we do not need another Clinton, We need a Lincoln, We need someone who can cross the divide of the last 16 years, A President who is capable of uniting this country, the one thing that was apparent, in his speeches to the democratic convention and last night, I saw such a man and i believe he deserves the right to prove that to the American people
Post Jan 20th It will our pleasure to second guess and ridicule every decision that does not meet our fancy, but until that moment I find myself in agreement with Karl Rove! and that my friends leaves a foul taste I assure you.
Sure Obama has some liberal views that some may not agree with and McCain probably has more experience with a lot of issues, especially foreign policy and relations.
However, economics is NOT one of the issues McCain has experience in and considering the state of the economy now a lot of people surely voted for Obama based on McCain's admission of not having that experience.
Personally, I don't have a party affiliation and vote for the "lesser of the two evils" based on the issues because both have good points and both have negative points, but when the powers that be insist on narrowing the choices down to just the two major parties and ignoring candidates in the other parties, really what choice do we have as voters?
I say give Obama a chance to do his new job and stop breeding fear out of speculating the unknown. So what if he's not all white, who of us really are "purebred", ESPECIALLY in America? Not one of us is, and having racist attitudes only shows your ignorance and is an embarrassment to the rest of us.
At this point anything is better than Bush, regardless of color, background, experience, or whatever.
Taking money from people who create jobs and giving it to people that can't even balance their own budget will in no way fix the economy.
Increasing requirements and regulations on employers will not lead to more employment.
The best thing Government can do to stimulate the economy is get out of the way.
The president doesn't need to know everything, he does need to surround himself with qualified people to help craft, design, and implenment policy.
What happened last night is the best thing to happen to America. Truth be told, my feeling last night was that whoever ended up on top, our country was the better for it. But because it went to the left, I think we will ALL win in the end.
Look at it this way...what is the ultimate achievement in this countr, or arguably the world? To achieve president of the united states. Obama has done it, and guess what? He did it in spite of all the adversity that comes along with being an underpriveleged person in this country. That's right, he is , by definition underprivileged. To me, that is one hell of an accomplishment. And it proves to all others of the underpriveleged class that they no longer have an excuse to NOT succeed in this country.
All of us rednecks out there that are afraid that "them liberals iz gonna tek owr gunz and set up Abortion clinics in the city parks" need to pull their heads out of their arses. Gimme a break. NO ADMINISTRATION will ever take away our right to bear arms. If they did, then they would find out why we have them in the first place. As for the abortion bit, Obama wants to address the cause..not try to remedy the outcome. By then its too late. Anyone with that mentallity cannot be too bad.
Either way, we ALL win. The past eight years has been absolute torture. Ask yourself...who did you vote for then? Then perhaps you will reconsider your tomorrow.
signed
Sad and Scared American
I do agree that it is pretty frightening to think that every day American citizens won't be able to own missle defense systems, but I'm sure we will survive. I predict that President Obama will be the best US President in the past half century or more. I might be surprised, but I don't think so.
Maybe you are the one who is lacking common sense?
Please just go back to listening to your favorite right wing talk radio show. They will reassure you that president-elect Obama is the great satan and is the reason that your life is not what you think you deserve. Surely your own personal failings must be someone elses fault, right?
Pathetic.
Doesn't that seem odd to you? Doesn't that sound a little archaic? It is, and so is he. He lives in his little nut shell where he doesn't have to change a thing... he only has to look like he is making progress from day to day. He is happy with all the old farts in the senate. He is scared of change and evolving to be the better America that we are all capable of being. We need a man who isn't afraid to learn something new... someone who can lead us in these progressive times.
Have enough money hidden away (not in a bank) that you could use to go to Australia or another country where they don't tax you to death and there is no fear of a terrorist attack.
Pray to God that he won't let the country go so socialist that the next Republican President can't fix the mess that's been made by the democratic President, Congress, and the liberal supreme court!
Good luck!
I don't agree with either canidate but all I know is that the last 8 years have sucked. Mcaine voted along president Bush for 90% of the time. I am sorry but I really don't want another Bush in office. I also feel it would be a mistake to have Palin in office as well. She is inexperienced. She might have done great things for Alaska but she also has done things that isn't ethical in my book either.
Obama is president so lets just make the best out of the situation, bad or good.
Obama has 2 years in US Senate and 7 years in Illnois Senate. To me that is more experience.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-16-obama-experience-cover_x.htm
Is there something I don't know?
I unserstand we can't blame president Bush for everything but I just disagree with alot of what he decided to do with our country. I wasn't old enough to vote against Bush in 2004. But then again I wouldn't have voted for John Kerry either, that would have been a bad idea. I wouldn't have voted for either one.
Then THE VERY NEXT DAY, not even 24 hours later, and he is already weasling and backing down!
What a "double speak" phony! Make me sick!
We need to keep funding the war and pay for other stuff but we can't do it on the budget we are on. SO they have to raise taxes. That is how you get things paid for in this country. If you don't want higher taxes then our president should have not started the war.
I don't think this is a result of Obama because this is all happening before his term (it hasn't even started yet).
Google, Krogers, Ebay and I could go on, are all big companies that are laying off. It isn't just 35 people it is thousands of people.
It is sad but we have to pay somehow unfortunatrly.
Checks and balances! What a concept. We are a center right nation and Obama will hopefully remember this. If he goes too far to the left he will fail.
My only sibbling who lives in Hong Kong and pays taxes in the US is seriously considering moving his citizenship elsewhere. So sad....that it has all come to this...
Be proud of having so many people who can think outside the box in this state!
It's easy for anyone with a brain to understand that Utah is the MOST racist state in the union. After all the LDS Church didn't even allow blacks into their church until only 20 years ago. So it's understandable you LDS are racist. But can't you use common sense? Ask yourself one question. Are you actually happy with the econonmy the way it is today? If you answered yes, you obviously live under a rock. Mickey Mouse could have slaughtered a republican candidate. Barack Obama wasn't needed to slaughter the republicans, George Bush handled that for you all. This thread and new story are sickening. It's just unreal how dumb some of you really are. Now go back to being good little Polygamist like your founding fathers were. Perhaps toss some more of your tything into some gay propaganda.
Now then, there definitely were churches in other parts of the country where blacks were not permitted.
The deplorable state of the economy is the product of Democrats and Republicans alike. I'm not sure how you voters found it in themselves to condemn one side and absolve the other. Amazing! I'm especially amazed that Barney Frank was re-elected -- the guy who denied Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had a problem....
Holding the priesthood was a privelege given only a few years after general membership priveleges were given.
I remember as a kid growing up in the church in the late 60's, early 70's and never seeing a non-white member but always being told they weren't worthy of membership because of the color of their skin (the curse of Cain we were told). We never even associated with non-white people, but let me tell you I'd much rather surround myself with people from different ethnic groups any day than a bunch of ignorant "sheep" who don't question the authority of their leaders.
Let me remind you what the revelation pertaining to blacks was. The revelation was that all worthy males could now hold the priesthood -- not that all races could now be baptized.
Whoever won the presidency will have one of the biggest battles this country has seen since the great depression. I would be ok with either candidate and I sure would not hide under my computer desk whining about how it should have been someone else.
No one is going to come and take your guns away. Really. Just think about that. How on earth could they really do that and who are they? Take a deep breath and breathe again.
No one is going to force you to have an abortion in your 8th month. Come on. Take another deep breath. Start praying your fears away and step back a little bit from the emotional drama.
What shocks me the most is how on earth are we to heal this country's wounds and become united again when a lot of you are so bitter and are absolutely not going to support the President of the United States of America or at least give him a chance? We are the greatest country on earth but we have some temporary problems that we are facing right now. I am proud to be an American and am proud to be a part of the United States of America. I will support whoever is president and pray for their safety.
I will also pray that those of you that are so afraid, that God will calm your fears and bring you peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o
By the way, he's NOT the FIRST Black President. He's the first half-black and half-white President. Calling him Black is only 50% true. NO 100% Black President has ever become President.
Remember this every time the media starts calling him the first black president. In fact he is called a "moreno" or "mulato" the true definition of his ethnic composition.
Cluelessnes was never happiness. Nothing like millions of people get royally duped. The best is probably yet to come.
"Change!"
Yeah. Change.
- "I'm Albert Einstein and I approve this message"
I think Mr. Obama has as much Eurapean blood in him as he has African blood, he's as much "Euro American" as he is anything and that goes for the "MAJORITY" of so called "AFRICAN Americans".
Mr. Obama Lead this country of Americans and knock of the racism act and be a President for all Americans.
I am not one to bad mouth any political affiliation, but folks we as Americans have the rights we do because of certain Americans who have fought for that right.
It is time as Americans that we unite and work for a better America no matter the Commander in Chief.
You and I are what makes this country great, not one person..
And just a comment on the posts' that mention that federal spending will spin out of control. What do YOU really think has just happened the past eight years and just this past two months? Is that not considered "out of control" federal spending?
Outstanding US Debt:
On 09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
as of 09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49
Thank you so very much George. Lowering taxes has certainly improved our children's futures.
Lets address the reason for these posts in the first place. People are scared of Pres Elect Obama and what he plans on doing to this country. This is plain right stupid!!!! Lets get one thing straight here your "scared" is not what will happen to this country it is because a BLACK man was elected president. Be honest!!! If you truly listened to anything Barrack said you would be filled with the sense of pride and excitement I have for the direction this country will be making. Not only is he a terrific orator, but he truely has new ideas of how to make this country a better place. None of the same old thing different old guy in the oval office way of thinking. In Obama we are getting someone who truly cares about this country! Yes it does sound like that I think Barrack cannot do any wrong, this is as far from the truth as it can be. In fact it took me along time to come to the realization that Obama was the candidate we needed to elect. Just one thought nobody is absolutely perfect so of course mistakes will be made, reserve your negativity till he has been in office long enough to see what will happen.
1 more thing if you construct your opinions on and around the things that Sean Hannity, Russ Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily and others say I pity you!!!!!! Do yourself a favor and do your own research and study of the topics effecting us instead of listening to the rants of ignorant and hypocritical human beings!
That said GO JAZZ!!!! 4-0 BABY!!!!!!!!!!
About some of the comments about racist Mormons. I am sure that there are some racist Mormons out there, as I am sure there are racist Catholics, Methodists, etc, etc. There are racists in every religion. It seems that Mormons receive a lot of negative comments. I don't think every person who voted for McCain in Utah was a Mormon, and I know that a lot of Mormons supported Obama. I don't think that the LDS religion deserves such comments, and I wonder what fuels these comments.
I am saying this because I live with someone who makes such comments. This person bases a lot of their opinions about the whole religion on select individuals. There are bad people in every religion.
So don't judge the religion. And the polygamist comments, Please! Maybe everyone who makes these comments should research about it a little better, and know that MORMONS are NOT polygamists anymore, AND HAVE not been for a long time, SO WHY THE COMMENTS?
However, as it has been for the last 232 years, in America it is still UNITED WE STAND. We don't have to agree with this person, but we need to unite. There are enemies both outside and within this country who rejoice when we fight among ourselves. (Remember Osama bin Laden? They still haven't caught him.)
America is the original land of the free, home of the brave...and a land of tolerance and acceptance of our fellow man. "e pluribus unum"..."out of many, one."
Let's do what's best for our country.
I seriously doubt that the majority of the people who voted for Obama did the same. THEY voted on race.
I saw 2 men on tv interviewing black people in the South. The 2 men interviewing said they were for Obama and Palin. They asked the black people if they liked Palin, Obama's running mate. They said they loved HIM!
So don't tell me they knew about 1 single political issue in this election. The issue for them was race and race alone. So who are the racist ones?
Living in a country where we have the freedom to vote and choose our leaders is a blessing. But it doesn't mean we only play when we get our way!
The majority of Americans have decided that Obama is the best person to lead our country at this point in time. In four years, we'll have the opportunity to do so again, if we choose to, based on his performance in office and the state of the union at that time.
This forum seems to be full of kindergarten-minded people who only want to complain about not getting their way, instead of putting differences aside and moving forward to support solving problems.
President-elect Obama isn't a flag-burning, disrespectful Communist who hates our country.
If you're not an American at heart, immigrate somewhere else - otherwise, support your country and your President, and stop whining.
With 97% Reporting
Obama had 63,679,596 Votes
McCain had 56,278,372 Votes
for a total of 119,957,968 Votes
The Black people = 13% or 15,594,536 Votes
Now Obama received 95% of the Black Votes
So if 50% of the Black vote went to McCain then 7,797,268 Votes will come from Obama and go to McCain
and that would make the outcome of
Obama 55,882,328 Votes
McCain 64,075,640 Votes
And McCain Wins.
These numbers would have changed many of the states, and McCain would have easily won Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Probably More.
If the Black Communities were not so determined to have a black president then we would have McCain as the President-elect right now.
Please tell me if i am delusional or if i'm on to something.
Thank you.
If all these blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black you might have a valid point, but frankly I think that's an insult to the black community. How about Colin Powell... one of the most successful and thoughtful black men in America? He made a point that he was endorsing Obama not because of race, but because McCain has shown serious lapses in judgment about the economy, in his choice of Palin for VP, and a lack of integrity in how he ran his campaign. I think you'll find that a large number of black people voted for similar reasons.
Your reasoning is flawed!
If African Americans support Obama, so what? Have you considered that it could be that they feel that the "White Communities" are still trying to minimalize them?
You can "what-if" all you want to, but there's no point. The election is complete, the winner is declared, Obama is our next president, and we need to work together as THE Community to make our country a better place.
As soon as we start a Black/White conversation, we're headed into racist territory, and I for one am tired of that same old story.
I don't believe Obama was elected because of his racial background. I believe he was elected because voters hope that he has a vision and a plan to lead the country better than McCain.
The sooner we stop the race comparisons and analysis, the sooner we can work together as Americans to solve the problems we face.
Who would have thought that we'd have a mixed-race president in the White House? I honestly didn't think this would happen in my lifetime (and I'm 52), so we're slowly moving forward, perhaps closer to a nation that can get past its issues with race and the related biases.
I think a lot of people DO care that he is mixed-race, hence the number of conversations (good and bad) around his race.
I voted for Obama because he presented a vision for change, while McCain didn't present a positive vision of anything, including his choice of a VP running mate. I believe Obama has a better chance of bringing the country together, promoting an optimistic and hopeful future and for getting us away from the war-promotional policies of the current administration. Not because he's "black", not because he's a Democrat, but because he's an energetic, intelligent, articulate and focused person who presents a stronger leadership image to me.
Again, we need to move past the election (it's over) and do what we can to make ourselves, our families, our communities and our nation better - together.
I am excited to for Obama to be my new president. All those who will not and cannot support or see him as president of the USA can move to Canada.
I PLEDGE MY FULL SUPPORT TO MY PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA AND I AM HONORED TO HAVE HIM AS MY PRESIDENT...
can we make a difference YES WE CAN!!!
Is there precedent for this phenomenon? Yes. The Jews held a similar view of their chosen status and special lineage. They viewed themselves as infallible, despised those that did not share either their religion or heritage. And in the end, they were profoundly, tragically and everlastingly wrong. They crucified their, and our, Savior.
Notes:
1. Homogeneous is not to be confused with homosexual.
2. Throng is not to be confused with thong.
3. Jesus Christ is not to be confused with Barak Obama.
What do you mean your money? The rich pay nearly all the taxes in this country The lower and middle class get back more than they pay in taxes. The rich are the ones who should be complaining about you taking their money!
Wake up and get a clue! Stop listening to the Lies you have been told.
Guess what, dude, that's exactly how I've felt since 2003 when Bush strong-armed us into a war simply to carry out his own ambitions. How come they didn't do a similar poll when Bush was re-elected? I think you would have found similar numbers of folks who were "scared" or "concerned." Kudos to Doug Wright for having the courage to state that he didn't vote for Obama, but he's our next president and we need to align ourselves behind him... at least give him a chance. We gave Bush a chance and it turned out VERY BADLY, but Obama deserves the same chance to prove himself.
How many of you who are bashing Obama listened to McCain's concession speach? If you believed in the guy at all, you should listen to his concession speech again. It was very well thought out, rational, and I believe it was from the heart. Rather than fear mongering, let's make a serious effort to end the bipartisan nature of our government and work to pull ourselves out of our current mess.
There has been too much divisiveness in Washington for the last 8 years and you know the old saying... divided we fall.
But I am sad that he is not more conservative.
I'm independent, voted for on both party sides as I thought best. McCain I was there for ya 'till ya picked Tina Fey ;-)> That sealed it for Obama
This is the ONLY place that sees someone with brown eyes and brown hair and asked "WHAT" you are. The are not interested in "WHO" you are. It's really quite sad.
But, in the last conference they were told to be gracious and kind to those that were of different faith...this board, and the one on Prop 8, shows how much they listen to their leader, and how much they have not learned.
"Great Spirits Have Always
Encountered Violent Opposition
From Mediocre Minds." (albert)
The media is incorrectly calling Obama the First African-American president. He's NOT black!
Barrack Obama is a mulatto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulato
If you couldn't see and feel the HAPPINESS, HOPE, and JOY in everyone's eyes then I'm more scared about people like you who can't let go of their hate and prejudices against everyone who doesn't believe in 'exactly' what you believe in, because THAT is what is destroying this world NOT color of someones skin. Shame on you!
That said, now the decision has been made it is time to work together. I sure hope he turns out to be all he has been built up to be otherwise it could be one of the most disappointing presidencies in history. Hopefully Obama and both sides of the isle of Congress can figure a way to work together and actually get some of the People's business done.
I know this country is a great country. It wasn't founded by politicians in the sense we understand now. It was founded by strong men and women who believed in liberty, who believed in equality and in the opportunities that freedom offered.
Lady Liberty still stands as a beacon in New York harbor and even in these frightening times there can be hope. Alone, there isn't much we can do to change the world, but, though alone we have areas in which we can promote change. CHANGE in the lives we lead, our attitudes, our values. We have to understand what is important to us on more than a material level. If the things we hold as most important are internal, they can't be taken away, to lose them you have to GIVE THEM AWAY.
We MUST decide what our freedoms, our families, our purpose, our values are REALLY worth to us because we might have to fight to preserve them. Not today and perhaps not a year from today but at some time probably not of our choosing. What will you do? Will you be willing and ready to defend what you enjoy here or will you roll over and let the powers that be take it all away from you? The best time to make decisions is before you HAVE to make them.
I love this United States. As imperfect as things are here, this is the best place to live. As terrible a place as some seem to believe it is, thousands come here every year, legally or illegally. There must be something that we offer here that isn't offered in other parts of the world.
I am saddened that there is such a lack of cohesiveness in this nation. I am saddened that there are so many who feel they are discriminated against. Some of that is in their own thinking, some of it is in the thinking of others. BUT, as to the laws of this nation...there is no discrimination. That should be enough. It isn't the laws that need to change..the Constitution says it all..it is YOU who needs to change your thinking.
For those who feel the Obama will wipe away all the bad, smooth every bump and change the attitudes of the hate mongers and bigots that populate the world I say..That is not his responsibility. That is YOUR responsibility. Hate, fear and bigotry has two faces because it involves both sides.
You who believe you will finally get what you deserve I ask...What don't you have that you deserve and whose fault is that? Do you lack the freedom to do, go, and be what you choose? Freedom to think and say what you want? Educational opportunities? Job opportunities? I say to you that there are people of every color, nationality, and religion that suffer the same feelings of injustice that YOU do. That is not this country's fault.
For MOST, there are NO special programs, NO affirmative action, NO minority status, NO government programs available to them that ARE available to YOU.
So, why do they have more than you have? It's because they put action in place of wishing, hard work in place of wanting and self-discipline in place of self-pity. Everything they have is available You. Pay the same dues and you get the same results.
Remember this...If the government gives it to you, they own you. You have no freedom. You are in debt EXCEPT that, at the end of the day, you are not the owner of a house or car. You are OWNED and ENSLAVED by the government who provided everything for you. and BY YOUR OWN CONSENT.
Humor is good, but thoughtfulness is needed, too. There's too much hurt and pain associated with slavery in America for it to a humorous topic, at least in this venue of discussing the election.
I think it's evident that when non-Mormons use "humor" to discuss LDS beliefs and behaviors that LDS-believers probably don't see the "funny" in that, either.
I'll settle for less humor and more compassion, understanding and acceptance.
Because I didn't vote for Ferraro as VP some years ago, does that make me a bigot, in that I didn't vote for a woman?
So, now I didn't vote for Obama and most of you somehow connect that to me being a bigot?
I would have voted for Cond. Rice. and many other black or half black or half asian or half chinese candidates. I'm sick of all the liberals playing the race card!
You have no logic!
I get tired of Obama supporters thinking that I am racist or bigoted if I didn't vote for him.
The only reason we continue to have race as an issue in this nation is because people continue to MAKE it an issue.
Figures... then you are not a bigot you are an uninformed, conservative-minded individual who fails to see the desperate need for change in this country.
I did not say you are uninformed because you are a conservative, I simply said YOU are uninformed AND a conservative. Either you are very young and haven't been able to study politics for long or you haven’t' studied them well if you believe that those conservative, wealthy orientated policies are continued then we will miraculously be free and clear of massive fiscal debt, free of needless wars and free of outrageous greed that is only spread among the uber-wealthy.
And yes there are numerous uninformed people on both sides, all sides, and honestly that is sad. There is no fallacy (not falicy) on my reasoning skills as those things I described in my comments were done by conservative republicans and if you want and believe all of what I said then you are too…. you agree with and believe = you are or sympathize
That's called deductive reasoning... good thing to know.
He IS NOT my leader. We do not see things the same way at all. He is a terrorist, lulling the American people to sleep from the inside so he, and people like him can eliminate personal incentive, and remove our true freedoms.
While campaigning, he was almost entirely vague on his policies. When he did seem to be forthright, I didn't agree with him. I haven't listened to a U.S. president since Bill Clinton was elected. I won't start now. I just change the channel.
Most politicians are power mongers, and are so out of touch with reality. They want the power, fame, money, and sex that comes along with the offices they covet. Many do not start out this way, but fall into the trap. Those who remain strong in their convictions find that there is very little good they can do in such a corrupt system. There is no hope in our system as presently constituted. Why do only the ultra-rich get a chance at national political office?
The government can't keep giving money away, and then borrow on the back end. Don't they realize that it's going to blow up sometime?
We have these fools who would rather jeopardize our national security, and entire economy than drill for oil on our own land, and explore other sources of energy.
It's okay to kill a human being growing inside of another, but don't kill a tree!
We have judges deciding what the American people want, taking the voice right out of our lungs. Then we have spend millions of dollars, and thousands of man hours to reverse there decision by voting our true voice. Seems a little backwards to me.
We have the same egotistical aggrandizement in our own state. All gov. johnnie jr. cares about is his legacy, and getting a leg up to take a ride on the jack [no swearing please] that is our national political scene.
If he really wanted to make a difference, he would stop growing the state government and agencies. He would cut out the bureaucracies, and put the resources into educating people, giving them incentives to work, instead of freebies.
Why do government events need to be like the emperer's ball? Why do we need to print on fancy paper, and have gold foiled letterhead? Why did johnnie jr. and others ram the Real stadium down our throats when expert after expert said it was a bad idea, and after it was voted down. They must know better than the citizens of Utah. Thank you for saving us from our foolishness.
HIGHER "EDUCATION" DOESN'T HAVE TO COST THIS MUCH. MOST PROFESSORS DON'T "TEACH," THEY PROFESS. AND WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY EVEN $50 FOR A TEXTBOOK? $200 IS RIDICULOUS. WHAT A RACKET.
POLITICIANS COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THOSE WHO WOULD MAKE MAJOR CHANGES ARE NOT ALLOWED BY THE MAJORITY, BUT MOST JUST WON'T.
WHY DON'T ELECTED AND ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS TAKE THEIR PLACE AS "PUBLIC SERVANTS" INSTEAD OF EGOTISTICAL WINDBAGS JUST OUR FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR ENTOURAGES.
No, I don't support our president elect. Elect a real man, then I'll listen.