Poll: Obama gains, but Utahns still favor McCain
November 1st, 2008 @ 10:00pm
By Sarah Dallof
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Not only does he have good ideas. He has run a good campaign, without over spending or going in debt. All the others in this particular race are in the hole, either in debt or negative cash.
I really like the fact he is talking about issues.
The democrat made the mistake, in my opinion, of hiring a professional campaign consultant. 1/5 of his expenses, the last I checked. Other than some negative press, which people see right through, I don't see what he has done.
Most people are smart enough to go to the source to find out what someone believes, instead of listening to their opponent.
It doesn’t matter anyway; the Democrats will be in charge.
You folks in Utah County need to stay out of politics.
What happens in Provo needs to stay in Provo.
Leave us normal folks alone.
laughed out loud on that one. Maybe by rest of the world you mean Utah. I love how we now live in this world where if you arent a bible thumping republican conservative then your some sort of socialist or communist or outright evil human being. Hillarious.
http://extras.sltrib.com/bagley/content/10302008.jpg
But KSL chooses NOT to report on that and instead tells us that Obama has broken 30% in Utah?!?!?!?!?
Gosh Tom, if I didn't know any better, I'd swear you were describing the ruling majority in in this state.
Troll away.
There are people that want to round up all 12 million illegals, and are mad that Jason DOESN'T want to do that. Jason only wanted facilities where the government wouldn't have to catch and release felons. There are 600,000 they have let go. We wouldn't have to build facilities for that many, as we just need a temporary facility for convicted criminals, to be held prior to deportation.
There are people that don't want anyone new moving in, where Jason wants to fix LEGAL immigration so it doesn't take so long to legally come here.
There are people that think providing any temporary worker visa is wrong, where Jason agrees it is a great way to bring people out of the shadows, get rid of the fake IDs, but this in NO WAY provides a pathway to citizenship in front of those wanting to immigrate who have followed the rules.
I know that you guys must be in deep denial, but come on.
Tom - we are not uneducated OR dishonest (unlike Palin, who thinks that abusing power isn't unethical)....we understand what socialism is and we understand that Obama's not a socialist - we also understand that we need a major change in this country - Obama's going to bring that needed change - and we're not going to be talked out of it. The fear and smear campaign that the GOP constantly brings will not work - we are fed up - we are over it - we are done! Maybe one day, you people will understand this and the GOP will change its message.
Divided we fall.
Utah is in the top two states in the nation for fiscal responsibility and has three cities in the top ten for livability.
Is that because we all support Democratic Values like the ones you see in the back of the butt wipe newspapers downtown? Mrs. Wilson should be ashamed to publish such trash!
Avoid him as you would avoid a poisonous serpent!
I watch all the polls- and yes fox like always doesnt tilt the polls to make mccain look better, they just report whats out there~ truth in news media is rare but sweet.
I think polls are so/so First who is polled? how many people? are they acutally going to vote or just talking about it?
I choose to wait and see who actually votes on Tues. Not who zogby or anyone says will win.
I think this race is very close and it will be decided by the dumb electoral college that even most dems had a problem with in 2000-
In all truth Obama isnt (if he wins) going to be able to swoop in in his superman outfit and make the world all ok (yes the world) He has many many many promises, but truth is I highly doubt he'll be able to keep many.
If Mccain gets in- I count on a shake up in Washington, a freezing on spending, and our taxes being kept low. I count on National security being a top issue- with out it our economy will suffer even more.
I doubt either guy will be able to get us out of this huge deficit in 4-8-12 years... I doubt either guy will be able to keep all promises but I choose to go with the one I see UNITING dems and republicans alike. Someone I know will reach across the isle to make this country better. I never have seen bama do it and with major control in all houses he wont have to.
Your right though
Divided we fall and Divided we fail.
You say the GOP needs change- I agree
but to think the Dem. Party is good as is - --- buyer beware... not even close.
http://www.zogby.com/
I routinely refuse to respond to them.
Sad commentary about our great media huh...
...sigh
Watching the debates, he is smart, and can talk.
No it is about taking out the garbage. Really good article.
You forgot that the democrat said Jesus would vote for me.
And the latest:
"For example, the beatitudes clearly tell us that we should have universal health care,"
I am voting for Jason Chaffetz. He is not trying to tell me what the Savior's political policy would be.
I wish Utah would stop just voting blindly, based on the old way things "USED TO BE", and really look at what is happening to us, by the politicians.
Nothing will destroy this country faster then socialism or sharing the wealth! Can't Obama see that it has never worked in other countries. It can't and won't work here. You reap what you sew. I think too many American's are looking for a handout. Why don't they just get off their butts and go get a job, save money and spend wisely. What would be the motivation for people to work hard if the government was going to take their money away and give it to the lazy poor people? There are many other reasons to not vote for Obama such as his ties to terrorist and anti-american's not to mention his association to ACORN.
What about his ties with the credit crisis? The governmnent in the 1990's forced banks to give bad loans to the poor and minority groups that couldn't afford homes and to pay back those loans. Obama was a lawyer and fought for the people and against the banks. Obama was a huge part of the reason we are in the mess we are today along with many Democrats and Republicans.
What about the war in Iraq? Obama wants to pull all the troops home and then sit down and have nice talks with all the terroists and organizations that want to kill and destroy America and Isreal. If Obama wins then prepare for war coming to America. I think I would rather see war being fought off of American soil. Bush may have other issues and things he is wrong on but I feel he is right on with the war. Iraq harbors terrorists and hundreds have been killed thanks to the war in Iraq. Sure we have to still find other terrorists but finding and killing others has been a success. (Thanks to all those soldiers who have fought and continue to fight for our Freedom and for those in Iraq that desire to be free!)
I could go on about FACTS on Obama but I hope the people of America will see the real Obama and what he stands for.
God Bless America!!
IF you truly believe Obama has terrorist ties, what are you doing here?
WHY haven't you turned Obama in to Homeland Security as being a potential terrorist? WHY? I dare you to explain why you have not. A good patriot who identifies a terrorist threat, certainly should do the right thing.
The stuff people believe.
Now, that being said, I do not think there is enough evidence, even circumstantial, to brand him as a terrorist. I do believe, though, that there are a lot of questions that need to be answered that are being ignored by the Obama campaign and the media in general. If his associations were few and just "through education" as Ceedoubleu suggests (see post below), Obama would have nothing to fear from answering questions about those associations. In fact, he would not have to even disown his pastor or spend so much money distancing himself from his "friends". The sad fact is that Obama is much more connected to these people (and there are very, very many) than just through education (see Reverend Wright, ACORN, and Rezko, to name a few). We deserve answers that are actually true as can be seen from the facts that have been unearthed. Just denying an association or saying it was just through education doesn't make the facts go away.
Both Layton Mom and Ceedoubleu need to realize the reality of the accusations made against Obama before throwing out their own self-righteous "you turn him in" or "well, the FBI etc thinks he's not guilty". Those arguments are calculated to end discussion by calling on a "higher power" or returning the blame to the one making the original argument. They do nothing to further a discussion on the merits (or lack thereof) of either candidate. Spencer F should also realize that while his comments did bring up some issues that need to be talked about, there were many unfounded accusations made.
While general information can be found on many of these topics by searching Google, Wikipedia, etc, if you have a specific accusation, please post a link to the source.
My reference to those agencies are in the context of this...I find it very hard that he would have not only been cleared to a degree to have access to confidential information but to have access to the president.
Rezko? This is funny too. What about Charles Keating Jr. and McCain?
Rev. Wright? I like to hear people bring him up. Let me say that I don't condone what he says nor do I support his extreme views. However, I can see his frame of reference. Rev. Wright came up through racisms, segregation, and the slanted views of America in one of the darkest times in modern American history. While I can relate to some of his message, I cannot qualify all of them either. I will say that my grandfather told me of times when a black man couldn't look a white women in the face…if it happened, there’s a possibility of getting beaten or going missing; blacks wasn't allowed to go to the hospital if they were sick…blacks had to find other methods of treatment; blacks had to walk miles (pass four or five white schools) just to go to a black school; blacks had to eat out of the back of the restaurants; blacks wasn’t allowed in the commercial swimming pools in which blacks had to swim in dirty ponds, and many other examples of discrimination. The sad thing is my grandfather is a little bit older than Rev. Wright. What I’m getting at is this…Within Rev. Wright’s frame of reference; he is expressing his own point of view and by his own personal experience he could be right. However, it doesn’t express the opinion of everyone that heard his sermon. Also, I have my own personal experiences that I draw from when I hear Rev. Wright’s sermon. However, I don’t subscribe that line of thinking that Rev. Wright has expressed.
What about this? McCain opposed the creation of a federal Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, but admitted in 2008 he was wrong and eventually realized that it was time to give full support [in 1990] for a state holiday in Arizona. So you mean to tell me since the passing of the civil rights act in the mid 60’s and seeing the progression of minorities (including women), McCain couldn’t pull himself to honor Martin Luther King until many years later. Wow!
Acorn? The verdict is still out for me. I haven’t found much if anything to comment on.
Ties to terrorist and anti-Americans. This as the other topic is laughable. So, everyone that has taken classes from those terrorist and anti-Americans (at both the University of Chicago and Columbia University) are now linked to terrorist. Your comments, just as the comments that come from the Republican Party, imply that Barack went out seeking the attention and fellowship with those individuals. I was very skeptical on these matters just as you were. So, I researched them and found that their ties were through education and not as the Republican Party is suggesting.
Credit Crisis? Come on, you honestly subscribe to that? Interesting. You seem to forget one very important thing (well, many). Barack wasn’t approving the loans and/or signing people up for home loans. If what you say is true, (Utah is one of the leaders in the country in mortgage fraud) this would imply that he’s the blame for Utah practices too. That’s a tall order for one man to be responsible for.
War in Iraq? I don’t know where and how you came up with all of that. Do as I’ve always suggest….go do your own research? Fact Check is a very good source. General searching on Google is another good source. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, New York Times, BBC and others are great resources to dig into to get a general consensus of the truth.
Lastly, there are many things out there about Barack and have been there for a while. The strangest thing is McCain’s character isn’t out there as much. Why is that? Is his character that much better? From what I’ve been able to research, there are many questionable acts that are not in the public. I don’t see the Democrats really attacking them as the Republican Party is attacking Barack’s character. The message coming out of the Democratic Party is all about issues that are at the forefront.
Socialism: You have to be kidding? We just nationalized our banks, mortgages, investment houses, and our considering bailing out the auto industry- all under the current administration. Nothing Obama proposes comes anywhere close to this or the level of deficit spending endorsed by Bush and now McCain. Every government moves wealth around. It currently moves wealth from the lower 80% to the richest 5% with disastrous consequences for the whole country. McCain wants to extend this pattern even though we now know perfectly well that it doesn't create jobs or stimulate the economy, it ONLY makes rich people richer. Obama wants to reverse this trend and create a sustainable economy and you worry about socialism? Think!!!! A- Obama is not proposing socialism, just a more progressive tax code- one that benefits the majority instead of harming it. B- the current system is NOT WORKING. What kind of proof do you need? Open your eyes to what is going on now instead of irrationally worrying about irrelevant scare words like "socialism." You sound like some kind of puppet for Palin. Do you believe everything they tell you instead of thinking and seeing for yourself?
Credit crisis: bad mortgages were only part of the problem. Deregulation of banks and investments, wall street greed, etc also played a huge role. McCain's policies and financial advisors were directly involved. Open your eyes!
War on Iraq: We need somebody to look at balancing what needs to happen in Iraq with what is best for our nation. Simply committing to an ineffective quagmire is not in our best interests.
All you need is facts and some clear, independent thinking and you will see that the candidate you support will not solve th every problems you are concerned about. You seem to be just one more "sucker" that the GOP tricks into voting aginst your own interests to keep them in power just because they can scare you.
I wrote a letter to the editor about McCain's lack of judgement; I received a phone call from a very nice little old lady; she could only recite Republican verse. To her, Democrats are demons. Period. So sad. But if it were ONLY little old ladies, we'd be okay. Unfortunately it's most of the majority people.
I agree that Utah should stop voting blindly for Republicans, but that doesn't mean that we should blindly vote against Republicans either. Vote for each candidate based on his/her own merits. Political parties still have a place in our decision because there is a reason why the candidates have affiliated themselves with those specific parties, but the most important is what they specifically say and have shown are their actual stands on issues.
Unfortunately, he will find himself quite powerless in Washington, not only on the wrong side of the aisle after this election, but the new guy. I have a pretty good feeling he will make lots of noise, but probably just be largely ignored.
Jason has identified four core conservative values which guide his policy positions. They are:
* Fiscal Discipline
* Limited Government
* Accountability
* Strong National Security
Jason has said every policy decision will be guided by those principles. He cannot support policy initiatives that violate those core principles.
Jason has also prioritized five key issues on which he plans to spend his political capital in Washington:
* Fiscal discipline
* Energy Policy
* Education
* Illegal Immigration
* National defense
Jason Chaffetz is more a voice of reason compared to:
There are people that want to round up all 12 million illegals, and are mad that Jason DOESN'T want to do that. Jason only wanted facilities where the government wouldn't have to catch and release felons. There are 600,000 they have let go. We wouldn't have to build facilities for that many, as we just need a temporary facility for convicted criminals, to be held prior to deportation.
There are people that don't want anyone new moving in, where Jason wants to fix LEGAL immigration so it doesn't take so long to legally come here.
There are people that think providing any temporary worker visa is wrong, where Jason agrees it is a great way to bring people out of the shadows, get rid of the fake IDs, but this in NO WAY provides a pathway to citizenship in front of those wanting to immigrate who have followed the rules.
democrat opponent:
“When my financial disclosures come out you’ll see donations from Florida, New Jersey, Missouri,” Spencer said. “People have heard me on the radio, and they’re sickened by his immigration position. They go online and give me money. They go, ‘Stop the Nazi.’”
Compare that to what Jason Chaffetz has said:
"Fix Legal Immigration
There are millions of people from around the world who seek to legally become a citizen of the United States of America. Unfortunately, the system is failing. Last year the Wall Street Journal stated the current green-card backlog includes applicants who face a 22-year wait time. This doesn’t work for anybody. We need to implement the leadership necessary to fix this problem and appropriate the money needed to thoroughly process applicants in a timely manner. Until legal immigration works, we will continue to have major problems."
Keep in mind, there are several dems (Much like Jim Matheson) who do not necessarily vote along the party line.
I believe Jason Chaffetz will vote as needed to ensure the budget deficit is reduced, and prove to be more fiscally responsible. I believe he will ensure that the illegal immigration problem is proaqctively addressed, and people who are in America illegally identified and eventually deported, (Campaigned as "Catch and deport"). I believe Jason will do whatever it takes to ensure our disabled veteran soldiers are taken care of financially as well as medically. I believe Jason will vote more conservatively and responsibly on international trade agreements that could threaten our nations' sovereignty.
Jason Chaffetz will do a fantastic job!!
Jason has said his plan includes:
Fix legal immigration
Reject amnesty
Lock down the border, enforce visas
Have the political will to enforce the current laws
Get rid of rewards & incentives to be here illegally
Give business the tools & align financial incentives
Insist on assimilation (English)
http://www.jasonforcongress.com/page/page/5600154.htm
Immigration plan (too big to post, I have already posted too much).
http://www.jasonforcongress.com/page/page/5678465.htm
The democrat only has:
1. Stop illegal immigrants at the border by properly funding border states. America has a right to control its borders. In a post 9/11 world we must know who is entering our country.
2. Crack down on employers who hire undocumented workers.
3. Bring undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and put those who are in good standing on a pathway to citizenship so that they can contribute to society by paying their fair share of taxes.
4. Work with nations, like Mexico, to find a solution that will stem the flow of illegal immigrants on both sides of the border.
We have tried that. It hasn't worked. I like Jason's plan.
If they come to the US, they learn English. Many people in the US get offended when people come here and expect us to learn their language. That causes more bad feelings that any other thing. Most people could care if they like tacos or not, they care if they can communicate or not.
If you go to France, and assume they speak English, many are offended. If you ask them in French, if they speak your language, they are usually warm and friendly. That works here too.
So, you are offended if someone is in this country and doesn't speak English. Deal with it. That's just a part of being an adult.
There is a difference. If someone wants to visit the US, I don't expect them to know English. If they want to live here, they should within a couple of years.
At George Washington's time, they picked English. They could have picked German or French. I believe there were more German speaking in several areas at the time. They picked English so we could become one nation.
English has been and should be THE official language. It is for Utah. It should be for the US.
Language drives a bigger wedge in our society than national origin or race.
We need one common language.
English has not been the official language in the U.S. We have no official language.
People that have waited years to come here, should not have an advantage over those that came without permission.
One too many not's.
Hi neighbor!
We don't need more politics then we have in the AG's office.
The current AG has done a lot of good.
He has done nothing but take credit for others effort and suffering. He's a dip the whole office is worthless.
What about in California, where your "leaders" are telling the LDS how to vote on Prop 8?
What about in Utah, over the years, where your "leaders" have besmirched Democrats, told people not to vote for liquor by the drink and spent lots of money on anti-ERA efforts. The entire reign of Ezra Taft Benson was a continuation of his John Birch Society campaigns -- and his legacy shines through right here, on this KSL message board.
If you don't think your Church is politically active, you need to open your eyes.
Before accusing a religious organization of misconduct, please get your facts straight and also consider the "misconduct" of those on the side you're supporting.
The LDS church and other churches will still be able to discriminate based on their policies - they will not be forced to marry "unworthy" people...I don't know what you all are fretting over.
Any individual or organization has the right to speak up for things they believe in and to speak against those things they feel compromise their beliefs. They do not have the right to force others to vote a certain way, but they can exert their influence through letting their opinion be known, whether that be through just making a statement or supporting a specific cause financially or otherwise. Organizations get into trouble when they attempt to speak for their members on issues that the organization has not specifically listed as a belief. So, for example, if the LDS church were to tell its members to vote for a specific candidate, that would be inappropriate because any candidate would have some beliefs that match LDS beliefs, some that the LDS church does not have a position on, and possibly some that go against LDS beliefs.
But when there is a specific issue that an organization has consistently defended or opposed, they have just as much right as an individual to support or oppose that cause in any way they feel necessary (financially, volunteering, releasing statements, contacting members of the organization, etc).
clinton was short term prosperity at long term stability. i would take long term stability any day. face it, we have not had a decent pres, congress or senate for close to 50 years.
http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE20A/htm/20A13_030400.htm
(3) Any elector who casts an electoral ballot for a person not nominated by the party of which he is an elector, except in the cases of death or felony conviction of a candidate, is considered to have resigned from the office of elector, his vote may not be recorded, and the remaining electors shall appoint another person to fill the vacancy.
Basically all that does is put into law what has been considered tradition in all states of the United States since the start of our nation. In fact, if it wasn't like that, I am sure you would be the first to complain.
Basically, by Unites States law (Utah has no say about this beyond the normal constitutional amendment process), each state has a certain number of electoral votes. Utah can decide how those votes are assigned. How it is currently in Utah, and every other state in this nation except Maine and Nebraska, is that whichever candidate receives the majority of the popular vote also receives all of the electoral votes; basically, a winner-takes-all situation.
The only thing that this law you pointed out does is make sure that the electors vote as they have been told to by the people (taking into consideration the winner-takes-all rule, which again is how nearly all states do it). Without this rule, they could all vote however they want without regard to what the people think. Is that something you want?
You might think Obama is really smart, but does he have any common sense? NO!!! Anyone can look smart on paper can't they.
I am serious!
It is your duty as a citizen to identify terrorist threats to our nation, and turn them in to Homeland Security!
It's your duty as a patriot!
You must have PROOF of his terrorist connections - right? Maybe you could put Homeland Security on the list of people you forward all those hate-hoax emails you read and believe.
However, Bush's disgusting behavior as a president has been awfully good for the Democratic party.
But at such a cost...
MM
I wonder where Anerica would be today if Al Gore would have been Preident; what would he have done after 9-11, what would he have done after the worst storm in a 100 years hit New Orleans, what would he have done to secure our nation from people who want to cut your head off and stuff it down your throat, what would Al have done other than claim that America is melting the world?
The earth gets cooler and warmer. IF you figure that WE are causing most of it, you have to take into account things most people don't.
0. The solar wind is at a 50 years low, which could cause global cooling.
1. The rain forests are critical. Burning and clearing rain forests are a bigger deal re: greenhouse gases than cars. Remember the Harrison
Ford ad with the tape on his chest being ripped off?
2. You have to take into account that Methane Gas, (not burned) released in to the air is much worse than burning it. Methane gas is worse than CO2 re: "greenhouse" gases.
3. You have to take into account that methane released into the atmosphere often comes from several non-man sources:
Wetlands, cows belching, termites, permafrost, etc.
Most of us are willing to agree with cleaner air, water and land, that said, I am not worried about the CO2.
I am worried about the cow belching and termites.
:)
Watch what you say
Your just bent because the Republican's can't take the heat.
NO I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT BUT I FOR SURE NOT A REPUBLICAN NOT IN THIS ELECTION!!!
What is just wrong is Mr. Bush doing nothing about our Country be invaded by the Mexicans, Invading Iraq, and lying to the people about Weapons that did not and do not exsist.
I am sorry Al could not have done any worse then George
Let's not forget congress agreed to go into Iraq, Bush didn't do it on his own. Powell went to the UN to plead his case why we needed to be there.
I don't like to listen to anyone who bad mouths our president and accuses him of things that they know little about. Americans are becoming so disrespectful of the Presidency, no wonder you don't care about patriotism any more, no wonder you'd sooner have an anti-American as President. Makes sense now. You hate anyone that's patriotic. I won't apologize for being a die hard American who loves this country, I've lived through Nixon, Carter onwards and I've seen our country go up and down, but yet I'm still a patriotic American. Unlike people today who look for excuses all of the time and buy in to the nonsense that America isn't as great as it used to be.
But seriously, Al Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq, to go after a guy who nearly killed his dad...
Thousands of American lives saved, billions of dollars not spent.
(Not counting Lieberman. I was impressed with him when he was running for VP. Too bad he had a tweeb for a running mate).
Oct 2008 20% 75% 5%
Sep 2008 19% 76% 5%
Aug 2008 30% 64% 6%
Jul 2008 21% 72% 7%
Jun 2008 25% 71% 4%
May 2008 28% 69% 3%
Apr 2008 22% 72% 6%
Mar 2008 24% 75% 1%
Feb 2008 19% 77% 4%
Jan 2008 34% 59% 7%
Dec 2007 32% 66% 2%
Nov 2007 31% 64% 5%
Oct 2007 25% 67% 8%
Now, that is bad. For the sake of America, we really need change.
Oh and I'm not a straight republican either, but this time it was obvious which side of the fence I was going to cast my vote. I voted for real change, not Obama's lies of change, you all hate Bush because he expanded government 50% and what's Obama going to do, yes right, expand it again, is this chsnge?? McCain wants to reduce government. Also why would I want to vote for any man that isn't in line with my religion, sorry I'm not for abortion, especially full term partial birth abortions, also I'm against same sex marriage and Obama want's to teach our kindergarteners Prince marries Prince. Come on Utah'ns are you all really this stupid, doesn't your religion mean anything to you.
Will you be this disrespectful of him if he is elected the president by your fellow citizens?
Who will send these illegal invaders Home?
Then You Have My Vote
I called to have my carpet cleaned and when I told the company do not send people to my home who speak Spanish that I can't talk to. She said she was very sorry but she didn't have any English speaking staff members. SO I CALLED THE NEXT COMPANY, THEN THE NEXT AND THEY HAD AMERICANS they could sent to my home.
LETS FIGHT BACK LETS TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK
I have friends from all over the world. Bosnia, Kyrgystan, Greece, Vietnam, China, Tonga, Australia, England, plus several South American and Central American countries, not including Canada and Mexico.
If they come to the US, they learn English. Many people in the US get offended when people come here and expect us to learn their language. That causes more bad feelings that any other thing. Most people could care if they like tacos or not, they care if they can communicate or not.
If you go to France, and assume they speak English, many are offended. If you ask them in French, if they speak your language, they are usually warm and friendly. That works here too.
I work in the construction field. Many people also speak Spanish. As long as they speak English as well, I get along fine.
If it were Hitler and Stalin running, they'd still be excusing the evil that their favorite despot wrought and they'd still only be outraged by the evil committed by the other guy.
If it were Hitler and Stalin running, would readers here even consider voting for the alternative Third party candidates that COULD be elected -- who even have the necessary ballot access...?
No! They wouldn't do that -- not even to save their country -- because... because....
Well, they just couldn't.
Why do you think we have the weird laws around here?
Next thing you know the'll be telling us to go to bed at 10 a clock. and if are lights are not out we willl finded 25 dollars. and up to 10 days in jail.
Why are Americans so willing to be led carefully down to hell? Why won't they say no to BOTH major parties? It's not like they don't have a choice....
I wish Utah would stop just voting blindly, based on the old way things "USED TO BE", and really look at what is happening to us, by the politicians.
Sadly, too many LDS are in a bad habit of voting along party lines. I agree that a dominant party breeds corruption. But I helped vote Aaron Tilton out of my districtin the primaries-he was poised to make millions on Nuke power.
I only hope that right thinking voters can get rid of the likes of Hughes, Curtis, Morley etc. Too many state rep's are making "bank" in the legislature, and not just to campaign coffers, but personal wealth!
Utah county R's are an embarrassment. Utah Co. has a 3 party system, Dem's, Republicans and the Eagle Forum party.
i know what obama has "promised", but if you look at the records when ever a party owned (republican and democrat) congress and presidential seat take power, spending goes crazy and the u.s.a. public gets ignored.
Why dont you move to California or Mass. ?
When it comes to liberals like Obaaaama, I say, tell it to the hand.
It's not far that that question only applies to judges. I think that question should apply to EVERY SINGLE CANDIDTATE on the ballot!
"Should the following politicians remain in office?"
"NOPE!"
"UH UH!"
"PSHHHYEAH, IN YOUR DREAMS!!! NOPE!"
"ARE YOU KIDDING? NOPE!!!!"
"I DON'T THINK SO!!! NOPE!"
"Oh [no swearing please]!"
"NOPE!"
"NOPE!"
Just this: over 95% of the money in the US is owned and/or controlled by less than %10 of the population -hmmmm? Just something to think about!
Frontline calls ignoring MOST of the candidates non-partisan choice...?
Bottom line: the fact that every incumbent is winning in a massive blowout is proof that utahns default to government employees in a very dangerous way. Horiuchi needs to be shown the door but he won't be. The bonds need to be defeated but they won't be. Government just wins and wins and wins in this mindless state of sheep.
if you think that obama and a democratic congress aren't going to take advantage of the situation to push taxes and bill you are up in the night.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's lead over Republican rival John McCain firmed marginally to 6 points with support for both candidates steady before Tuesday's U.S. presidential election, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.
Then again, McBain is also a stupid choice.
Why is it so difficult to get a couple of good choices for President of the United States? Why can't we get a desirable pick for President just once?
I'll be voting NONE OF THE ABOVE on election day.
I'm pretty sure that the majority are feeling the way I am too. The term socialism doesn't scare us. The American tax system is socialism by definition.
You like it with the Republican way
Big Business and Poor People
Republicans do not care about the People
GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE IN CALIFORNIA
and we should all have the same things no matter how hard we work.
Lets just take away incentive to do better and get a better life, and trade it for a check from the government. A world where everyone gets the same thing with no opportunity to do better.
Sounds like the promise of Socialism or even Communisms Collectivism concept.
As long as humans are involved, all systems are corrupt.
Politicians lie in order to achieve office so that they can exploit the system.
Corporations are in charge, not governments.
Get your head out of the sand.
- no make it a huge steak, poor have been eating chicken long enough.
- the poor have been working hard for 8 years and NONE OF THE WEALTH HAS TRICKLED DOWN YET, THE greedy rich have KEPT IT ALL.
- The rich have been living under a socialists republican government for 8 years now getting government welfare to the tune of BILLIONS , hundreds of times more than any welfare program people ever had.
- YES YOU ARE RIGHT, corporations have been in charge for 8 years now and THAT IS ABOUT TO STOP.
Now obama will go after all the rich hiding their money in Swiss bank accounts, the swiss banker who set those accounts over had turned THOUSANDS OF NAMES OVER TO THE GOVENMENT, obviously bush has DID NOTHING, but obama WILL and it will be MORE THAN JUST PAYING TAXES ON ALL THAT MONEY TOO.
Also, for the 68 percent of BUSINESS's who have been identified FOR NEGLECTING TO PAY any taxes in the last 4 years. obama WILL fix that too. PLUS over turn all the thousands of corrupt laws THAT DEGRULATING industry to ABUSE PEOPLE AND take GREED MONEY from them. the end is NEAR. goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo OBAMA
Good luck.
Rush called it right Friday: Rather than call Obama a marxist or socialist, call him an authoritarian. Seizing money as you suggest won't just be from "swiss banks", it'll be YOUR account. And just like his peanut butter at recess-he'll be "spreading it around".
Curious, does a greedy "Corporation" sign your pay check?
Obama's "Change" will be disastrous for the productive and give a little "Hope" to the non-Productive. But the end result=everyone non productive, enslaved to entitlements.
For those still living in your mom's basement playing video games-your day is here.
Now that the Socialism of Obama is out of the bag, dissenters can only be called names as an "intelligent" defense.
As long as we're on YOUR subject:
Obama did Coke. Rush did re-hab.
Rush is an idiot? But Biden is a genius?
When will Barack visit the rest of the 57 states?
Breathe deeply, your mom will have your mac and cheese ready in a few minutes. Go back to your SuperMario.
Even if Obama were somehow able to achieve everything he promises many Utahn's would still hate him and would vote for for someone else in the next election.
They like cutting off their noses just to spite their faces...
I am not affiliated with any party.Alot of what is going on is all of who vote because we let these Politicians become Professional Politicians. There should never be a Professional Politician, because they mess our great Country up. You going to set there and tell me Ted Kennedy is a great man, he is is one of our biggest problems in Washington. He has been there way to long, we have a couple of Senators in our own state that have been in Washington to long.
That is our problem, we let these people stay to long and they get to comfortable. That is why we need to get rid of Incumbents. They stay to long they forget why they went there, and just care about themselves.
It comes down to one fundamental question..who do you want to be responsible for you and your family's future..YOU or Washington, D.C.? I have little faith in Washington's ability to handle the taxpayer's dollars. Example: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!
To All My Friends, this is long, but very important, please take the time to read.
This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.
About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life.
Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.
My question - Where did he get the money for this trip? Neither I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college.
When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap, to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe.
After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already living in New York.
By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans?
After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race.
In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.
Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which
controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.
Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that were born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign contributions for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?
And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned, 'he made a mistake'. Some mistake!
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.
Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this? A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from within'!!!
BS
Unbelievable.
Use your brain vote McCain.
No one cares and that is what is so sad and disturbing about Obama.
"Also that year, he opposed creation of a federal Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, but admitted in 2008: "I was wrong and eventually realized that, in time to give full support [in 1990] for a state holiday in Arizona"...interesting that you didn't bring this up.
"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s as one of five United States Senators comprising the so-called Keating Five.[98] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in lawful[99] political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates"...did you find much on this?
"McCain announced his candidacy for president on September 27, 1999 in Nashua, New Hampshire, saying he was staging "a fight to take our government back from the power brokers and special interests, and return it to the people and the noble cause of freedom it was created to serve"...Sound like the message this time around...
"Incensed,[140] McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton, which Bush said was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary"...Still doing the same tactics now
Please come with something better and present both sides.
http://mediamatters.org/
http://votesmart.org/index.htm
Debunking Say wut's fallacies one post at a time.
First off, you are trying to create an argument based on questions not facts. "Where did this money come from?" "Where did this other money come from?" "I don't know how he paid for this?" "See a pattern?"
Yes, I do see a pattern. The pattern is that you think that the fact that you don't know something creates some kind of meaningful argument. So you don't know and you have some questions. Great. An honest person waits for answers to draw conclusions. A fraud tries to draw conclusions from the absence of those facts. Again, I have absolutely no problem with your curiosity or your research. But the fact that your research is incomplete and that you don't have the information you need would require any reasonable person to suspend judgment until the facts were available. You do the opposite. You identify the areas where you don't know what you are talking about and then jump to conclusions. It is a sad example of sloppy reasoning and a lack of intellectual integrity and rigor.
McCain has put together a transition team- should he win- which is lead by Bill Timmons, Saddam Hussein's former employee and lobbyist. He also has ties to individuals at least as corrupt as Rezko.
You ask some questions. I suggest that you find answers and then make up your mind. Or at least, don't admit to everybody that you are the type that jumps to conclusions based on suspicions, prejudice, paranoia, and lack of facts and then try to be pursuasive. Finally, if you are going to try to be convincing, you should examine both sides objectively, using the same standards. Otherwise you just seem like a biased, partisan mouthpiece, willing to criticize everything from one side while gleefully swallowing everything the other side spoon feeds you.
stay our of debt,
dont go into debt,
for anything.
Force this country to get off fiat-money.
If you think the economy and its monetary system is bad now, just wait until we have a International monetary system.
This system would be enforced by the UN and would need a global tax structure. And what better way to pay for this system than a carbon tax.
http://www.globalwarming.org/node/680
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_n3_v54/ai_17129815
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/965
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0228/p04s01-wogi.html
A little monetary history.
http://www.womensgroup.org/1WORLDCU.html
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/salinas070505.html
We need to get back on the gold standard or Consitutional money system.
ie.. no more Fiat money.
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/greene032104.html
RON PAUL KNOWS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8&feature=related
The central bankers bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_n3_v54/ai_17129815
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6507136891691870450
http://www.freedom-force.org/
The ideology of Freedom Force is individualism, the opposite of collectivism at every point. Individualists advocate honest elections, a competitive media, an educational system responsive to parents, encouragement of free speech, a well-armed citizenry, sound money, freedom-of-choice in health care, a non-interventionist foreign policy, and national sovereignty.
http://www.freedom-force.org/
TURN OFF THE TV AND READ.
McCain is Pro life. And always has been.
For me this is a Moral vote. When I don't like either candidate my vote will always go to my core values.
I WILL VOTE MCCAIN FOR THIS REASON ALONE.
You may be Christian but you also have a very narrow view of morality.
You use the same song and dance...how many thousands of times do we have to hear "if you don't like it move to..." anywhere but Utah.
I'm not stupid for living in Utah nor is anyone else that decides to relocate here. WE could turn the tables and say your stupid for staying...but we don't because we are intelligent and well-informed Americans.
Please go back under your rock and republican rhetoric and continue to vote for ingoramous individuals.
You will always do and say and be the same unless you think OUTSIDE of your own little world.
Until then - you stay in place and the rest of us Utahns will choose to have hope for a better future.
Americans will work for the gorvernment through taxation. Makes me really want to continue working overtime or maybe get that second job now don't it.
Dang it, I need to stop being selfish and unpatriotic cuz I don't want the government to take more of what I earn, they spend it so wisely. My family isn't important and doesn't come first. I should joyfully, patriotically, vote for the politician that will take more of my hard earned money and distribute to whom ever they think should have it. As if we can never give enough. Thats okay as long as the the messiah Obama and his congress decides where my money is going to go I'll know its for the best right?
I'll just fight the good fight for the American Dream he inspires me so to do so you know.
This is a human that can move people to act, feel, and have hope... I have never in my lifetime seen a politician bring out so much emotion from people. Positive emotions... I have seen one bring out alot of negitive emotions...(Bush). I encourage all of you to strip away the titles and look at the plans of each canidate. Then put yourself in others shoes and look at it from their eyes. Please vote with care. My children and your grandchildren depend on it.
Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Can't wait for Obama.
Starbucks is giving out a free cup of coffee on Nov 4th after you vote!!! Yeah for us coffee drinkers babay!!
Go Obama!!
keep drinking that starbucks it must contain the secret nobama ingredient to make you all hallucinate.......hummm maybe I will get me some~ lol
sheep herding at its best.
However, the way the world is nowadays, maybe people deserve to have an Obama as their leader. Everybody blames Bush now, which is also stupid. It's not Bush that make ALL the decisions and Clinton left a big mess for Bush. Clinton, who formerly was not for Obama, is now kissing his butt. Hypocrites.
We had had 3 republican Pres. in a rwo and by the time Hoover was in there the rich people had doomed our country. If it hadn't been for FDR who got us out of the depression, where would our country be. In all of the depressions, recessions the republicans have been in power. That tells me that they don't know how to handle the economy and I am ready for someone different. I have listened to all of the scare tactics that McCain and Palin have been spouting and others who speak for them. And I am no longer afraid of Obama. I have listened to him and he sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders and will be the CHANGE we need. For those afraid of him . I don't think he can ruin our country in 4 years any worse than Bush has done in 8 years.
I expect that most Utahns who are voting for Obama are true believers in the concept of aggressively confiscating the property of others to serve their own purposes, so I won't address their vote, even though it will be effectively stolen from them by the electoral college, but whatever....
But Utah Republicans can help get their wildly astray Republican Party back on track. The only remaining way way to persuade the GOP to exercise an ounce of introspection is to vote for the parties who advocate small government -- either the Libertarian or Constitution Parties. The Republican Party is no longer a practitioner of these principles, though they still like to say they are.
You need to stand up and say no, or, like a spoiled child, the GOP will only get more out of control. But unlike that spoiled child you are going to have to believe in the concept of delayed gratification -- and be willing to lose this round.
Exercise some tough love. We survived Clinton. We can survive Obama too.
Heads: Bob Barr
Tails: Chuck Baldwin
The truth is that Democrats and Republicans have the SAME foreign policy. Obama will NOT be bringing anyone home from Iraq. I fully anticipate that you will disagree with me on that point, but remember this prediction. You'll see....
McCain and Obama voted the same on the bailout. If you look at the roots of that philosophy, you'll see that their economic ideas are fundamentally the same.
Muslims!
Scientologists!
Its called scream a religion everybody join in!!!
There are definitely both advantages and disadvantages to the electoral college system and to the winner-take-all process of choosing electoral votes. This can be a great discussion, but if we want something changed, that's what voting is for. Hope to see you at the polls!
And I just want SuperDell for Governor. So shoot me.
They somehow think the way to overcome this economic disaster is for each of to incur more debt -- as if more debt is the way to become financially solvent. The government is thrashing around blindly. We need to do the opposite.
Get out of debt.
Live well within your means.
Save for a rainy day.
The fiat monetary system is coming to an end.
Be very careful. Remember what happened to Russia when they murdered the Czar?
True Americans understand what I'm talking about.
The rest of you are clueless SHEEP!
Of course, if both major parties operated within the bounds of the constitution there would be no such fear, since the constitution does not allow the government to harm ANYONE.